[mec]

Double check everything he says.- Not a blanket flame at CHL instructors but the laws generally place responsibility for following the law on the Licensee rather than the instructor. Most instructors do a very good job of teaching the course but there are exceptions.

Recently, a Texas Licensee presented his Concealed Handgun license while buying a handgun. The clerk noticed that the picture didn't match the licensee.
" That's why I carry THIS!" He whips out a letter from his Concealed Handgun instructor to the effect:
" This is a valid Concealed Handgun License but I mixed up the pictures on two application packets and the license has the wrong picture on it. My fault."
T. Norb Webfleet, Esq
Texas Concealed Handgun Instructor

Mistakes happen and the right thing to do would be to apply for a modified license with the correct pictures immediately upon discovering the mistake. The licensees signed an affidavit stating that they had read and are familiar with the applicable laws. If they had done so, they would realize that bogus licensees are a felony level boo-boo.
Due to the very large number of handgun instructors scatted around this State, Instructors like this can slip through the cracks for quite a while.

[Watchman]

Hmmm...interesting.

Here in Arkansas if an instructor has over 5 mistakes on CCW's in a year period they will pull your certification.

Also, in any "official" dealings where you are either adverstising or speaking as an instructor, your ASP certification number must be displayed.

The instructor is as liable for any false information as the student is. It seems to me that in this case, he would be held liable for false information, which is perjury. Not knowing about bad info is one thing. Knowing about it and not correcting it is another.

I dont understand why he didnt go through the proper channels to correct it. Its been my experieince that the ASP wil bend over backwards to help resolve any issues that an instructor might have.

Also, as a reserve deputy, if I pulled you over the little "explanation" would have NO legal bearing whatsoever. I can guarantee you that you and the offending instructor would have some explaining to do to the the judge.

Sounds like laziness to me.

[jsalcedo]

The clerk noticed that the picture didn't match the licensee. This is a valid Concealed Handgun License but I mixed up the pictures on two application packets and the license has the wrong picture on it. My fault."

Is there a cite for this or did it happen to someone you know?

[mec]

it's a recent local event. If the instructor had reported the mix-up to DPS the result would be some heavy handed ribbing and instructions about sending in the correct pictures.
When they find out that he just wrote a funny note, I suspect they will look a bit closer at this guy and realize that he is not just lazy but a complete whack-doodle. Instructors are legally required to provide a complete course with all applicable information- its just that the license applicant is every bit as responsible for knowing the law - good instructor or not.
The licenses as they stand are completely invalid of course. A police officer would probably confirm the holder's identity and tell him to waste no time getting the matter fixed. a real proactive officer would probably snatch up the license as evidence and this would amost certainly happen if a DPS Trooper made the stop.

[C.R.Sam]

Amazing.

Amazing.:rolleyes:

Sam

[Dorian]

Where do you guys live that you have to carry the pistol on your lisence?

I regularily switch between the pistols that I own for concealed carry.

[mec]

Picture. Here and Ark and most places, the license is not specific to any pistol. The card is a picture ID and it is a felony to alter the picture or any other part of the license.

License serves as a running fulltime background check so there is no Insta-check for gun purchases. A license with the wrong picture on it ( the mug of the license holder) is invalid to the max.

[Jeff White]

I once stopped a driver for speeding and it turned out his license was suspended. He presented me with a letter from his attorney attesting to the fact that the suspension was an error and that the Secretary of State's office would change the record in the computer soon. Sorry, nothing from SOS saying the license isn't valid and you get arrested for driving while suspended. Same thing here. If we were lucky enough to have CCW here, I certainly wouldn't accept that as a valid document. The guy needs to get that corrected before he winds up in the graybar motel while they sort it out. The instructor needs to lose his license.

Jeff

[sch40]

Here in Missouri (assuming the injunction is dropped), the license is not gun-specific. Also, thanks to great people like John Ross (who is also my CCW training instructor :D :D ), the permit endorsement can go on a valid state ID instead of your driver's license, thus warding off any trouble you might face when victim-disarmament types need to see your driver's license.

What I'm wondering is if my CCW endorsement covers carrying tac-folders concealed. Any insight?

[Ringer]

Unless they are an attorney or a local LEO speaking on local laws I'm leary of any undocumented "law talk" from anyone.

In regards to this issue, I'm not sure that someone who accepts a CHL with someone else's picture on it ought to be walking around with a loaded firearm.

Here in Michigan it is not specific to a particular gun. They did however change it, some time this year I believe, to a "Concealed Pistol License". Meaning just that, good for a handgun only.

[Jeeper]

I thought the applicant sent the info and picture in not the instructor. How would this happen? Sounds a little fishy. No letter would be legal anyway.

[mec]

the instructors can now order complete packets along with the tr100 and certificate. Even before this, some went " full service" doing the pictures, fingerprints and completing the packet for the "student".

The application packet is not that hard to do and it would be advisible for the applicant to complete it himself. Nevertheless, a lot of them rely on their instructor to send everything in. This sometimes does not work out well.- as in the case above. there has also been an incident where the instructor spent the application fee and then waited six months to send the applications in. He needed the money and wasn't in any hurry. The applicant kept calling DPS asking about the delay and they could only respond that they had no such applications.

Texas License is specifically Concealed handgun. I have heard that there might be a fighting knife license in Florida but am not sure.