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Surefire
May 31, 2009, 01:23 PM
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=188120

CA moves closer to fingerprinting ammo buyers, limiting transfer of ammo between family members to 50 rounds or less, and banning internet ammo sales.

I urge everyone in CA to fax and write in to your reps why this bill is a bad idea.

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dvcrsn
June 7, 2009, 11:17 PM
please go to www.calnra.com and use the onetouch system under the legislative tools--one email hits the entire committee

obeygiant
June 11, 2009, 03:30 AM
Please consider contacting your state Senator to voice your opinion. As of right now the bill is not dead as it is currently before the CA Senate. Here's the link (http://info.sen.ca.gov/pub/09-10/bill/asm/ab_0951-1000/ab_962_bill_20090604_status.html) for the updated bill status.

COMPLETE BILL HISTORY


BILL NUMBER : A.B. No. 962
AUTHOR : De Leon
TOPIC : Ammunition.

TYPE OF BILL :
Active
Non-Urgency
Non-Appropriations
Majority Vote Required
State-Mandated Local Program
Fiscal
Non-Tax Levy

BILL HISTORY
2009
June 4 In Senate. Read first time. To Com. on RLS. for assignment.
June 3 Read third time, passed, and to Senate.
June 2 Read second time. To third reading.
June 1 Read second time and amended. Ordered returned to second
reading.
May 29 From committee: Amend, and do pass as amended. (Ayes 12. Noes
5.)(May 28).
May 6 In committee: Set, first hearing. Referred to APPR. suspense file.
Apr. 22 From committee: Do pass, and re-refer to Com. on APPR.
Re-referred. (Ayes 5. Noes 2.) (April 21).
Apr. 14 In committee: Set, first hearing. Hearing canceled at the
request of author.
Mar. 26 Referred to Com. on PUB. S.
Feb. 27 From printer. May be heard in committee March 29.
Feb. 26 Read first time. To print.

Go to this site (http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/yourleg.html) and enter your zip code to find out who represents you in the CA Senate and Assembly.

To make life easier I put together all of the contact information - [phone,fax,address and email] for the CA Senate and Assembly into formats that can be imported into your addressbooks.

You can get the contact info in either .pst or .csv for Outlook here (http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showpost.php?p=2605563&postcount=511)

In vCard (.vcf) format here (http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showpost.php?p=2603458&postcount=483)

Directions for using vCards here (http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showpost.php?p=2590140&postcount=409)

In an Excel spreadsheet to copy and paste from here (http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showpost.php?p=2603994&postcount=498)

There is also a good thread on Calguns about it here (http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=176297)

obeygiant
June 12, 2009, 04:18 PM
It appears that this will not be heard on Tuesday's session but it is up for being heard at any of the following meetings.

Update: NRA-ILA: California Anti-Gun Bills Advancing in Sacramento
Please Contact Your State Legislators Today!

On June 3, the Assembly passed Assembly Bill 962 by a 42-31 vote. AB962 now heads to the Senate where it has been assigned to the Senate Public Safety Committee. Also on June 3, Senate Bill 585 passed the Senate by a vote of 21-18. It now moves to the Assembly where it will be considered by the Assembly Public Safety Committee. No hearing dates have been scheduled for either bill.

Sponsored by Assembly Member Kevin De Leon (D-45), AB962 would make it a crime to privately transfer more than 50 rounds of ammunition per month, even between family and friends, unless you are registered as a “handgun ammunition vendor” in the Department of Justice’s database. Ammunition retailers would have to be licensed and store ammunition in such a manner that it would be inaccessible to purchasers. The bill would also require purchasers submit to fingerprinting, which would be submitted to the Department of Justice. Lastly, mail order ammunition sales would be prohibited.

SB585, introduced by State Senator Mark Leno (D-3), would prohibit the sale of firearms and ammunition on the property or inside the buildings that comprise the Cow Palace. In short, SB585 is a stepping-stone to banning gun shows on all publicly-owned property in California.

It is imperative that you stand-up and respectfully make your voices heard! Please contact the members of the Senate Public Safety Committee and urge them to oppose AB962. Also, please contact the members of the Assembly Committee on Public Safety and insist that they defeat SB585. Contact information can be found below.


SENATE PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE:

State Senator Mark Leno (D-3) – Chair
(916) 651-4003
Senator.Leno@SENATE.CA.GOV

State Senator John J. Benoit (R-37) - Vice-Chair
(916) 651-4037
Senator.Benoit@SENATE.CA.GOV

State Senator Gilbert Cedillo (D-22)
(916) 651-4022
Senator.Cedillo@SENATE.CA.GOV

State Senator Loni Hancock (D-9)
(916) 651-4009
Senator.Hancock@SENATE.CA.GOV

State Senator Robert Huff (R-29)
(916) 651-4029
Senator.Huff@SENATE.CA.GOV

State Senator Darrell Steinberg (D-6)
(916) 651-4006
Senator.Steinberg@SENATE.CA.GOV

State Senator Roderick Wright (D-25)
(916) 651-4025
Senator.Wright@SENATE.CA.GOV

Just got off the phone with each of their offices and here are the responses that I got.

State Senator Mark Leno (D-3) – Chair ? - hasnt looked at it yet
State Senator John J. Benoit (R-37) - Vice-Chair opposed
State Senator Gilbert Cedillo (D-22) ? - hasnt looked at it yet
State Senator Loni Hancock (D-9) ? - hasnt looked at it yet
State Senator Robert Huff (R-29) opposed
State Senator Darrell Steinberg (D-6) ? - hasnt looked at it yet
State Senator Roderick Wright (D-25) ? - hasnt looked at it yet

obeygiant
June 14, 2009, 12:35 AM
You can also use the CalNRA One Click Message System to contact all of them with one email Here (http://nramemberscouncils.com/legs.shtml?year=2009&aex=ab962&ex=&displaypos=&displaystat=#oneclick)

obeygiant
June 14, 2009, 03:04 AM
A few highlights of the future to come if we are unable to defeat this bill.

AMMO RESTRICTIONS - AB962 would make it a crime to privately transfer more than 50 rounds of ammunition per month, even between family and friends, unless you are registered as a "handgun ammunition vendor" in the Department of Justiceís database.
The bill would also require purchasers submit to fingerprinting, which would be submitted to the Department of Justice.
Lastly, mail order ammunition sales would be prohibited.
This bill would require the Department of Justice to maintain additional information relating to ammunition transfers and licensed handgun ammunition vendors, as specified.
This bill would require that commencing July 1, 2010, unless specifically excluded, no person shall sell or transfer more than 50 rounds of handgun ammunition in any month unless he or she is registered as a handgun ammunition vendor, as defined.
The bill would further provide that handgun ammunition may only be purchased in a face-to-face transaction and only if certain conditions exist.
This bill would, subject to exceptions, commencing July 1, 2010, require certain ammunition vendors to obtain a thumbprint and other information from ammunition purchasers, and would require submission of that information to the Department of Justice, as specified.

obeygiant
June 25, 2009, 02:31 AM
Latest Info: 06/20/2009 - Assembly Bill 962 is scheduled to be heard in the Senate Public Safety Committee on Tuesday, 6/30/2009.

Please contact the members of the committee and urge a NO vote on AB 962.

Action needed:

Join your local NRA Members' Council (http://nramemberscouncils.com/volunteer/)

Use the ONE-CLICK MESSAGE CENTER (http://nramemberscouncils.com/legs.shtml#contactinfo) to easily address policy makers on this issue


Contact as many members of the SENATE PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE (http://nramemberscouncils.com/legs/senpubsafety.shtml) INDIVIDUALLY as possible


Update provided by CalNRA (http://nramemberscouncils.com/legs.shtml?summary=ab962&year=2009)

chuckusaret
June 25, 2009, 09:10 AM
hasnt looked at it yet

And I doubt if they ever look at it, but they will vote on it with out a doubt. How many of our so called leaders ever looked at the stimulus package? None, because it was over a thousand pages and they believed what the idiot president said it contained who also had never read it....

obeygiant
June 30, 2009, 01:22 AM
Latest Info: 06/26/2009 - Assemblymember DeLeon's office has pulled AB 962 from the Senate Public Safety hearing on June 30 and reset it for July 7. Please contact the members of the committee and urge a NO vote on AB 962.

Use the ONE-CLICK MESSAGE CENTER (http://calnra.com/legs.shtml#contactinfo) to easily address policy makers on this issue

Contact as many members of the SENATE PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE as possible INDIVIDUALLY (http://calnra.com/legs/senpubsafety.shtml)

Update provided by CalNRA.com (http://calnra.com/legs.shtml?year=2009&summary=ab962)

obeygiant
July 6, 2009, 09:19 PM
AB962 will be heard before the Senate Public Safety Committee tomorrow! You can view the agenda
here (http://tinyurl.com/kqhnvc)

Please fax and call the Senate Public Safety Committee


PH: (916)651-4118
FAX: (916) 445-4688

Mailing Address:

State Capitol
Room 2031
Sacramento, CA 95814

obeygiant
July 8, 2009, 12:59 AM
Latest Info:

07/07/2009 - Today, AB962 Handgun Ammo sales restriction passed the Senate Public Safety Comminttee. It will now go to the Senate Appropriations Committee. Please contact the members of the committee and urge a NO vote on AB 962.

Action needed:

Use the ONE-CLICK MESSAGE CENTER (http://nramemberscouncils.com/legs.shtml#contactinfo) to easily address policy makers on this issue

Contact as many members of the SENATE APPROPRIATIONS COMMITTEE as possible INDIVIDUALLY (http://nramemberscouncils.com/legs/senapprops.shtml)

Update provided by CalNRA.com (http://nramemberscouncils.com/legs.shtml?summary=ab962&year=2009)

obeygiant
July 9, 2009, 02:56 AM
I set up this "copy and paste" letter on FreedomSpeaks (http://www.freedomspeaks.com/home/letter-detail/801298) if anyone is interested. They will email and fax to all of the members that you select for free,registration is required though. It will also allow you to resend your letter, or mine if you choose to use it, multiple times.

Wednesday, 07/08/2009 @ 11:43 PM
To whom it may concern:

I am writing to express my opposition to AB 962 which would require that all lawful purchases of handgun ammunition be registered to the buyer by the ammunition seller who must keep the records on the premises for review by law enforcement.

It would also require that ammunition buyers must make their purchases in person, not by mail order or the internet, that handgun ammunition not be displayed by retailers in a location where customers can have access to it, thus necessitating that the retailer obtain it from storage upon the specific request of a potential buyer, and other related provisions.

AB 962 is unnecessary, costly and would be a burden to lawful dealers and lawful ammunition buyers. If its purpose is to prevent crimes involving the use or possession of a handgun, it would be ineffective.

Those who would use firearms and ammunition illegally can, and do, easily obtain them from out of state sources or from the local underground marketplace. This bill would affect only lawful businesses and individuals. It would have no deterrent effect on criminals.

The damage it would do to retailers and their customers is substantial and unjustifiable. Accordingly,I am strongly opposed to the enactment of AB 962.

Please also consider that the Department of Finance Bill Analysis has already reviewed AB962 and is opposed to it being enacted. Please see their conclusions below:

_________________________________________________________________
Position of the Department of Finance Bill Analysis
_________________________________________________________________
Original Link: http://www.dof.ca.gov/legislative_analyses/LIS_PDF/09/AB-962-20090504035415PM-AB00962.pdf

DEPARTMENT OF FINANCE BILL ANALYSIS
AMENDMENT DATE: Original BILL NUMBER: AB 962
POSITION: Oppose AUTHOR: K. De Leon


BILL SUMMARY: Ammunition

This bill would establish a database maintained by the Department of Justice (DOJ) to serve as a registry of handgun ammunition vendors. Additionally, the bill would require that, beginning July 1, 2010, no person shall sell or transfer specified rounds of handgun ammunition in any month unless he or she is licensed as a handgun ammunition vendor.

FISCAL SUMMARY

Although DOJ has not provided a fiscal estimate for this bill, Finance believes creating a new database and registration program would require significant staff and contract resources. The bill would allow for a fee to be charged to cover DOJís costs, but caps that fee at $50. It is not clear that this program can be implemented at that fee level. If it cannot, DOJ would have to seek additional funding, creating pressure on
other special funds and possibly the General Fund.

COMMENTS

Finance is opposed to this bill given the likely cost pressures it would impose and the significant resources it likely would require. Although the bill would provide for a fee to be charged for this purpose, absent specific information from DOJ, it is not clear the fee would be sufficient to fully fund this effort. Additionally, it may not be appropriate to impose additional workload during this time of limited state resources.

Furthermore, given that the licensing restriction would be in effect on July 1, 2010, and this bill, if chaptered, would be effective on January 1, 2010, DOJ would have only months to prepare and implement this database. Also, no appropriation authority is provided in the bill, so it is unlikely DOJ would have additional appropriations to draw from when developing this new program in time for the July 1, 2010 date.

Currently, DOJ maintains a database related to firearms transactions, which is supported by fees.

The bill would create a new handgun ammunition tracking database and registration program for handgun ammunition vendors. The bill would allow for a fee of up to $50 to reimburse DOJ for its costs of administering the license program, maintaining the registry of handgun ammunition vendors and other regulatory functions, including enforcement.
_________________________________________________________________

AB962 infringes on the rights of every law abiding American to privacy and the 2nd Amendment. I respectfully request that you oppose this bill.

Please vote NO on AB 962.

Your Constituent

obeygiant
July 11, 2009, 12:27 AM
I spoke with Brandi at Senator Price's office and she happens to be the aide that is responsible for putting together the Senators brief on the Appropriations committee!

I asked if the Senator had an opportunity to review the Department of Finance Bill Analyses' report on AB962 and she said that she has been so busy that she has not yet had time to get and prepare it for the Senator. I asked if she would like me to send her a copy and she said "Yes, that would save me a lot of time trying to locate it." I then asked if she would like me to fax or email it and she gave me her email address. Just called and confirmed that she did receive my email. She was very thankful for the report and assured me that Senator Price would read it before he voted.

With all of that said, I can't stress enough how important it is for each of us to call and in a polite and respectful way let our opinion be known as you never know who you might influence.

obeygiant
July 11, 2009, 12:37 AM
Earlier this evening I called each of the members of the Senate Appropriations committee and got the following responses:


Senator Cox -Opposed

Senator Corbett - over a 100 calls in opposition,added my name to the list

Senator Leno - left a message

Senator Oropeza - added my name to the list

Senator Price - emailed Department of Finance Bill Analysis Report to Brandi the Senators Aide.

Senator Runner - Opposed

Senator Mimi Walters - Opposed

Senator Wyland - Opposed

Senator Yee - added my name to the list


Keep it up guys!

obeygiant
July 12, 2009, 01:55 AM
Called the Senate Appropriations Committee yesterday and I was told that AB962 has been scheduled for the 20th.

Please consider sending a fax,calling the appropriations committee, even if you have already done so, asking them to oppose AB962.

Call them and ask if the Senators have read the report by the Department of Financial Bill Analysis. Also make sure to ask them to put your name down on the Opposition list. Here's the phone number (916)651-4101 and a copy of the Report.


Original Link (http://www.dof.ca.gov/legislative_analyses/LIS_PDF/09/AB-962-20090504035415PM-AB00962.pdf)

DEPARTMENT OF FINANCE BILL ANALYSIS
AMENDMENT DATE: Original BILL NUMBER: AB 962
POSITION: Oppose AUTHOR: K. De Leon


BILL SUMMARY: Ammunition

This bill would establish a database maintained by the Department of Justice (DOJ) to serve as a registry of handgun ammunition vendors. Additionally, the bill would require that, beginning July 1, 2010, no person shall sell or transfer specified rounds of handgun ammunition in any month unless he or she is licensed as a handgun ammunition vendor.

FISCAL SUMMARY

Although DOJ has not provided a fiscal estimate for this bill, Finance believes creating a new database and registration program would require significant staff and contract resources. The bill would allow for a fee to be charged to cover DOJís costs, but caps that fee at $50. It is not clear that this program can be implemented at that fee level. If it cannot, DOJ would have to seek additional funding, creating pressure on
other special funds and possibly the General Fund.

COMMENTS

Finance is opposed to this bill given the likely cost pressures it would impose and the significant resources it likely would require. Although the bill would provide for a fee to be charged for this purpose, absent specific information from DOJ, it is not clear the fee would be sufficient to fully fund this effort. Additionally, it may not be appropriate to impose additional workload during this time of limited state resources.

Furthermore, given that the licensing restriction would be in effect on July 1, 2010, and this bill, if chaptered, would be effective on January 1, 2010, DOJ would have only months to prepare and implement this database. Also, no appropriation authority is provided in the bill, so it is unlikely DOJ would have additional appropriations to draw from when developing this new program in time for the July 1, 2010 date.

Currently, DOJ maintains a database related to firearms transactions, which is supported by fees.

The bill would create a new handgun ammunition tracking database and registration program for handgun ammunition vendors. The bill would allow for a fee of up to $50 to reimburse DOJ for its costs of administering the license program, maintaining the registry of handgun ammunition vendors and other regulatory functions, including enforcement.

obeygiant
July 14, 2009, 12:28 AM
Here's a quick summary of where we stand with the Senators that are on the Appropriation Committee.

For
Senator Mark Leno

Unknown
Senator Christine Kehoe
Senator Ellen Corbett
Senator Loni Hancock
Senator Jenny Oropeza
Senator Curren Price
Senator Lois Wolk
Senator Leland Yee

Opposed
Senator Dave Cox
Senator Jeff Denham
Senator George Runner
Senator Mimi Walters
Senator Mark Wyland

Please focus your efforts on the "Unknown Senators" listed below:

Name Email Phone Fax
Senator Christine Kehoe, Senator.Kehoe@SENATE.CA.GOV, (916) 651-4039, (916) 327-2188
Senator Ellen Corbett, Senator.Corbett@SENATE.CA.GOV, (916) 651-4010, (916) 327-2433
Senator Loni Hancock, Senator.Hancock@SENATE.CA.GOV, (916) 651-4009, (916) 327-1997
Senator Jenny Oropeza, Senator.Oropeza@SENATE.CA.GOV, (916) 651-4028, (916) 323-6056
Senator Curren Price, Senator.Price@senate.ca.gov, (916) 651-4026, (916) 445-4026
Senator Lois Wolk, Senator.Wolk@SENATE.CA.GOV, (916) 651-4005, (916) 323-2304
Senator Leland Yee, Senator.Yee@SENATE.CA.GOV, (916) 651-4008, (916) 327-2186

obeygiant
July 16, 2009, 10:49 PM
AB962 is scheduled to be heard this Monday, July 20th! We've got 4 days to make sure that our voices are heard. Please consider contacting the Senators below that have an Unknown / Undecided position on this bill.

Here's a quick summary of where we stand with the Senators that are on the Appropriation Committee.

For
Senator Mark Leno

Unknown
Senator Christine Kehoe
Senator Ellen Corbett
Senator Loni Hancock
Senator Jenny Oropeza
Senator Curren Price
Senator Lois Wolk
Senator Leland Yee

Opposed
Senator Dave Cox
Senator Jeff Denham
Senator George Runner
Senator Mimi Walters
Senator Mark Wyland

Please focus your efforts on the "Unknown Senators" listed below:

Name Email Phone Fax
Senator Christine Kehoe, Senator.Kehoe@SENATE.CA.GOV, (916) 651-4039, (916) 327-2188
Senator Ellen Corbett, Senator.Corbett@SENATE.CA.GOV, (916) 651-4010, (916) 327-2433
Senator Loni Hancock, Senator.Hancock@SENATE.CA.GOV, (916) 651-4009, (916) 327-1997
Senator Jenny Oropeza, Senator.Oropeza@SENATE.CA.GOV, (916) 651-4028, (916) 323-6056
Senator Curren Price, Senator.Price@senate.ca.gov, (916) 651-4026, (916) 445-4026
Senator Lois Wolk, Senator.Wolk@SENATE.CA.GOV, (916) 651-4005, (916) 323-2304
Senator Leland Yee, Senator.Yee@SENATE.CA.GOV, (916) 651-4008, (916) 327-2186

obeygiant
July 19, 2009, 12:39 PM
Tomorrow is the day AB962 will be heard before the Senate Appropriations Committee!

If you haven't called or faxed the Senators yet please do so today. I realize they will most likely not be answering phones today but that does not stop you from leaving your name and number and requesting that they add you to the OPPOSED list.

For any of you that are not inclined to get involved, please consider the fact that if this bill passes, and you are a resident of California, you will no longer be able to purchase ammunition online or through the mail.

To those that have contacted the Senators on the Appropriations Committee, Thank you. I would urge you to consider calling or faxing again today so that there is no doubt in their minds that the sportsmen of California will not put up with this attack on our privacy and 2nd Amendment rights.

Here's a quick summary of where we stand with the Senators that are on the Appropriation Committee.

For
Senator Mark Leno

Unknown
Senator Christine Kehoe
Senator Ellen Corbett
Senator Loni Hancock
Senator Jenny Oropeza
Senator Curren Price
Senator Lois Wolk
Senator Leland Yee

Opposed
Senator Dave Cox
Senator Jeff Denham
Senator George Runner
Senator Mimi Walters
Senator Mark Wyland

Please focus your efforts on the "Unknown Senators" listed below:

Name Email Phone Fax
Senator Christine Kehoe, Senator.Kehoe@SENATE.CA.GOV, (916) 651-4039, (916) 327-2188
Senator Ellen Corbett, Senator.Corbett@SENATE.CA.GOV, (916) 651-4010, (916) 327-2433
Senator Loni Hancock, Senator.Hancock@SENATE.CA.GOV, (916) 651-4009, (916) 327-1997
Senator Jenny Oropeza, Senator.Oropeza@SENATE.CA.GOV, (916) 651-4028, (916) 323-6056
Senator Curren Price, Senator.Price@senate.ca.gov, (916) 651-4026, (916) 445-4026
Senator Lois Wolk, Senator.Wolk@SENATE.CA.GOV, (916) 651-4005, (916) 323-2304
Senator Leland Yee, Senator.Yee@SENATE.CA.GOV, (916) 651-4008, (916) 327-2186

obeygiant
July 20, 2009, 03:44 AM
One minor correction, Senator Curren Price's fax number is (916) 445-8899 not (916) 445-4026

obeygiant
July 20, 2009, 10:18 PM
From Calguns.net (http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=176297&page=149)

the entire committee hearing was postponed, not just the reading of this bill.... it's quite doubtful that the postponement has anything directly to do w/ AB 962.

obeygiant
July 20, 2009, 10:39 PM
The new hearing date could possibly be tomorrow or sometime after the budget bill(s) are considered - one of those indeterminate times in the future.

Daily File (http://www.sen.ca.gov/~newsen/schedules/files.htp) currently says:


APPROPRIATIONS
KEHOE, Chair
12 m. - John L. Burton Hearing Room (4203)
(Please note time change)
PENDING DELAY IN SUMMER RECESS
PENDING RULE WAIVER

Considering that the Govenator has said that he will veto anything that comes before him that is not budget related they could do us all a favor and go on recess. That would be July 17 - August 17, if they were to keep their schedule.

obeygiant
July 20, 2009, 11:08 PM
Quick Summary of where the votes stand from Goober_0 on Calguns.net (http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=176297&page=149)



Originally Posted by bomb_on_bus:
Ideally speaking does anyone have an idea which way the vote is going to turn out for this bill? I know there are some oppossing senators of the bill, but I'm only sure of a couple of senators are for this bill correct?

We have 5 who have expressed their opposition outright:
Cox
Denham
Runner
Walters
Wyland

There are 2, from my recent phone interactions (with their staff), that might be leaning against:
Corbett
Wolk

IF we can get those two on our side, we'll have 7, which is just enough to beat this thing in Appropriations.


There are a couple more that have not been completely anti-2A in the past, at least for Dems (both received "D" grades from NRA):
Oropeza
Yee

One or both of these could really seal the deal or fill in for Wolk or Corbett if they go the other way.

On the other side, we can basically count the following as supporting AB 962:
Leno
Hancock
Kehoe

That leaves Price, and with nothing better to go on than the fact that he's a Dem, I'd guess he might support it (he also has an NRA "F" grade).

So right now I'd call it 5-4, with us winning. We really need 2 more, and I think we're probably close on 1 of them. So keep it up!

Concentrate on:

Name Email Phone Fax
Senator Christine Kehoe Senator.Kehoe@SENATE.CA.GOV (916) 651-4039 (916) 327-2188
Senator Ellen Corbett Senator.Corbett@SENATE.CA.GOV (916) 651-4010 (916) 327-2433
Senator Loni Hancock Senator.Hancock@SENATE.CA.GOV (916) 651-4009 (916) 327-1997
Senator Jenny Oropeza Senator.Oropeza@SENATE.CA.GOV (916) 651-4028 (916) 323-6056
Senator Curren Price Senator.Price@senate.ca.gov` (916) 651-4026 (916) 445-8899
Senator Lois Wolk Senator.Wolk@SENATE.CA.GOV (916) 651-4005 (916) 323-2304
Senator Leland Yee Senator.Yee@SENATE.CA.GOV (916) 651-4008 (916) 327-2186
How cool would it be if we end up with 10-3 against? (yeah right)

ETA corrections regarding Price vs Oropeza... somehow I had them mixed up. Also added NRA grades.
__________________

obeygiant
July 23, 2009, 12:06 AM
NRA ILA Update


California: AB962 Could be Heard as Early as Thursday, July 23 in Sacramento

Please Contact the Senate Appropriations Committee Today!

On Monday, July 20 the Senate Appropriations Committee canceled its meeting, delaying a vote on Assembly Bill 962. It is very possible that AB962 could be taken up at its next meeting, which is currently scheduled for Thursday, July 23. It is important that you continue to contact the committee members in opposition to this bill.


CURRENT BILL STATUS (http://info.sen.ca.gov/pub/09-10/bill/asm/ab_0951-1000/ab_962_bill_20090721_status.html)


MEASURE : A.B. No. 962
AUTHOR(S) : De Leon (Coauthor: Bonnie Lowenthal).
TOPIC : Ammunition.
HOUSE LOCATION : SEN
+LAST AMENDED DATE : 06/22/2009


TYPE OF BILL :
Active
Non-Urgency
Non-Appropriations
Majority Vote Required
State-Mandated Local Program
Fiscal
Non-Tax Levy

LAST HIST. ACT. DATE: 07/08/2009
LAST HIST. ACTION : From committee: Do pass, and re-refer to Com. on APPR.
Re-referred. (Ayes 4. Noes 3.) (July 7).
COMM. LOCATION : SEN APPROPRIATIONS
HEARING DATE : 07/23/2009

TITLE : An act to amend Sections 11106 and 12316 of, to add
Sections 12317 and 12318 to, to add Article 3.5
(commencing with Section 12060) to Chapter 1 of, to add
a heading for Chapter 2.6 (commencing with Section
12316) to, and to repeal the heading of Chapter 2.6
(commencing with Section 12320) of, Title 2 of Part 4
of, the Penal Code, relating to ammunition.



Concentrate on:

Name Email Phone Fax
Senator Christine Kehoe Senator.Kehoe@SENATE.CA.GOV (916) 651-4039 (916) 327-2188
Senator Ellen Corbett Senator.Corbett@SENATE.CA.GOV (916) 651-4010 (916) 327-2433
Senator Loni Hancock Senator.Hancock@SENATE.CA.GOV (916) 651-4009 (916) 327-1997
Senator Jenny Oropeza Senator.Oropeza@SENATE.CA.GOV (916) 651-4028 (916) 323-6056
Senator Curren Price Senator.Price@senate.ca.gov` (916) 651-4026 (916) 445-8899
Senator Lois Wolk Senator.Wolk@SENATE.CA.GOV (916) 651-4005 (916) 323-2304
Senator Leland Yee Senator.Yee@SENATE.CA.GOV (916) 651-4008 (916) 327-2186

obeygiant
July 23, 2009, 04:23 PM
Audio here (http://www.senate.ca.gov/htbin/testbin/noframe_raudio) at 2pm

Video here (http://www.calchannel.com/channel/live/1) at 2pm

obeygiant
July 23, 2009, 11:29 PM
Thanks to Librarian over at Calguns who posted this summary of todays events.


Just to summarize:


DeLeon waived his presentation on 962.

Alameda County Board of Supervisors and City of Sacramento appeared with 2-sentence 'support' comments.

Ed Worley of NRA appears, points out that use of DROS funds for ammo enforcement take money away from other law enforcement efforts - like undercover agents at gun shows (a good button to push); opposed.

Tom Pederson of CRPA agrees; opposed.

Sam Paredes of Gun Owners of California appears; nice economic analysis of $652 million in handgun ammo sales; other items, like spray paint behind counters experience 25% sales drop - $12 million in sales tax if handgun ammo sales drops like that. opposed.

Finance says 'no position'. Whaaat? ETA: Just rechecked, their June 22 analysys is still up at http://www.dof.ca.gov/legislative_analyses/search.php


DEPARTMENT OF FINANCE BILL ANALYSIS
AMENDMENT DATE: June 22, 2009 BILL NUMBER: AB 962
POSITION: Oppose AUTHOR: K. De Leon

FISCAL SUMMARY

To implement this bill, DOJ estimates costs of $306,000 in 2009-10, $1.351 million in 2010-11, and $616,000 in 2011-12. The bill would allow for a fee to be charged to cover DOJ’s costs, but caps that fee at $50. Fee revenues, from the bill’s new fee as well as the existing fingerprint fee, would generate $1.489 million in 2010-11 and $801,000 in 2011-12. Although fee revenues would be sufficient to operate the program on an ongoing basis, the first year’s costs would be unfunded. DOJ would have to seek additional funding, creating pressure on other special funds and possibly the General Fund.
...
COMMENTS

Finance is opposed to this bill given the cost pressures it would impose and the unfunded resources it would require in the first year of implementation. Although the bill would provide for a fee to be charged for this purpose, the fee would not be sufficient to fully fund this effort in the first year. Additionally, it may not be appropriate to impose additional workload during this time of limited state resources.

Furthermore, given that the licensing restriction would be in effect on July 1, 2010, and this bill, if chaptered, would be effective on January 1, 2010, DOJ would have only months to prepare and implement this database. Also, no appropriation authority is provided in the bill, so it is unlikely DOJ would have additional appropriations to draw from when developing this new program in time for the July 1, 2010 date. The latest version includes language to make a fund available, but does not actually provide an appropriation that DOJ could use in 2009-10.

It was sent to the suspense file; it can come off after the recess, August 17.

For those with an interest in the gory details, the 'suspense file' is described in the committee rules (http://senweb03.senate.ca.gov/committee/standing/approp/Publications/Committee%20Rules%202009-2010.doc):

9. SUSPENSE FILE

The committee, by a majority of the members present and voting, shall refer to the Suspense File all bills that would have a fiscal impact in any single fiscal year from the General Fund or from private funds of $50,000 or more. Bills that establish a pilot project or program shall be referred to the Suspense File if the statewide implementation of the project or program would result in a fiscal impact of $50,000 or more in any single fiscal year from the General Fund or private funds.

The committee, by a majority of the members present and voting, shall refer to the Suspense File all bills that would have a fiscal impact in any single fiscal year from any account(s) or fund(s) of $150,000 or more. Bills that establish a pilot project or program shall be referred to the Suspense File if the statewide implementation of the project or program would result in a fiscal impact of $150,000 or more in any single fiscal year from any account(s) or fund(s).

So: take the rest of the week off. Legislators and staff should be working on budget, so they won't be paying attention to 962 just now.

Back at them Monday - don't let them think we've forgotten.

obeygiant
August 6, 2009, 12:50 AM
Update provided by Librarian at Calguns.net (http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?p=2878171#post2878171)

The interesting date to come is indeed Monday, August 17, when the Legislature comes back into session from Summer recess, and 962 may come OFF the Suspense file.

Until then, please send polite letters to the Senate Appropriations Committee itself, as well as the members, pointing out that we can't afford any more spending and that the Department of Finance opposes the bill, because the cost estimates are too low and no funding for the enforcement has been appropriated.

obeygiant
August 26, 2009, 02:10 AM
UPDATE: CALIFORNIA LEGISLATIVE ALERT

AB 962 Handgun Ammunition Registration Bill
Position: Oppose
AB 962 is set for reconsideration in the Senate Committee on Appropriations on Thursday, 8/27. The bill is currently in the Senate Appropriations suspense file. Please ask our members to contact the members of the Senate Appropriations Committee and their local Senator to urge a NO VOTE.

Send a ONE-CLICK Email (senapprops090707@muzzleenergy.com) to the SENATE APPROPRIATIONS COMMITTEE

.
Posted by Obeygiant at Calguns.net (http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showpost.php?p=2974339&postcount=1934)

For
Senator Mark Leno

Unknown
Senator Christine Kehoe
Senator Ellen Corbett
Senator Loni Hancock
Senator Jenny Oropeza
Senator Curren Price
Senator Lois Wolk
Senator Leland Yee

Opposed
Senator Dave Cox
Senator Jeff Denham
Senator George Runner
Senator Mimi Walters
Senator Mark Wyland

Please focus your efforts on the Unknown Senators listed below:

Name Email Phone Fax
Senator Christine Kehoe Senator.Kehoe@SENATE.CA.GOV (916) 651-4039 (916) 327-2188
Senator Ellen Corbett Senator.Corbett@SENATE.CA.GOV (916) 651-4010 (916) 327-2433
Senator Loni Hancock Senator.Hancock@SENATE.CA.GOV (916) 651-4009 (916) 327-1997
Senator Jenny Oropeza Senator.Oropeza@SENATE.CA.GOV (916) 651-4028 (916) 323-6056
Senator Curren Price Senator.Price@senate.ca.gov` (916) 651-4026 (916) 445-8899
Senator Lois Wolk Senator.Wolk@SENATE.CA.GOV (916) 651-4005 (916) 323-2304
Senator Leland Yee Senator.Yee@SENATE.CA.GOV (916) 651-4008 (916) 327-2186

obeygiant
September 4, 2009, 02:17 PM
If anyone has not yet contacted their Senator, Now would be the time to do so. If this makes it off the Senate floor there is no guarantee that the Governator will have the common sense to Veto it. Please contact your Senator Today!

comma separated list of emails:

Senator.Yee@SENATE.CA.GOV,Senator.Wyland@SENATE.CA.GOV,Senator.Wright@SENATE.CA.GOV,Senator.Wolk@SENATE.CA.GOV,Senator.Wiggins@SENATE.CA.GOV,Senator.Walters@SENATE.CA.GOV,Senator.Strickland@SENATE.CA.GOV,Senator.Steinberg@SENATE.CA.GOV,Senator.Simitian@SENATE.CA.GOV,Senator.Runner@SENATE.CA.GOV,Senator.Romero@SENATE.CA.GOV,Senator.Price@SENATE.CA.GOV,Senator.Pavley@SENATE.CA.GOV,Senator.Padilla@SENATE.CA.GOV,Senator.Oropeza@SENATE.CA.GOV,Senator.McLeod@SENATE.CA.GOV,Senator.Maldonado@SENATE.CA.GOV,Senator.Lowenthal@SENATE.CA.GOV,Senator.Liu@SENATE.CA.GOV,Senator.Leno@SENATE.CA.GOV,Senator.Kehoe@SENATE.CA.GOV,Senator.Huff@SENATE.CA.GOV,Senator.Hollingsworth@SENATE.CA.GOV,Senator.Harman@SENATE.CA.GOV,Senator.Hancock@SENATE.CA.GOV,Senator.Florez@SENATE.CA.GOV,Senator.Dutton@SENATE.CA.GOV,Senator.Ducheny@SENATE.CA.GOV,Senator.DeSaulnier@SENATE.CA.GOV,Senator.Denham@SENATE.CA.GOV,Senator.Cox@SENATE.CA.GOV,Senator.Correa@SENATE.CA.GOV,Senator.Corbett@SENATE.CA.GOV,Senator.Cogdill@SENATE.CA.GOV,Senator.Calderon@SENATE.CA.GOV,Senator.Benoit@SENATE.CA.GOV,Senator.Ashburn@SENATE.CA.GOV,Senator.Alquist@SENATE.CA.GOV,Senator.Aanestad@SENATE.CA.GOV

The email address for Senator Gil Cedillo is no longer valid but anyone who would like to contact him via email may do so here (http://legplcms01.lc.ca.gov/PublicLCMS/ContactPopup.aspx?district=SD22) just remember to put in a zip code that is within his district or it will not accept the email. the one I used was the zip for his local office which is 90014


Primary Email,Work Phone,Fax Number

Senator.Yee@SENATE.CA.GOV,(916) 651-4008,(916) 327-2186
Senator.Wyland@SENATE.CA.GOV,(916) 651-4038,(916) 446-7382
Senator.Wright@SENATE.CA.GOV,(916) 651-4025,(916) 445-3712
Senator.Wolk@SENATE.CA.GOV,(916) 651-4005,(916) 323-2304
Senator.Wiggins@SENATE.CA.GOV,(916) 651-4002,(916) 323-6958
Senator.Walters@SENATE.CA.GOV,(916) 651-4033,(916) 445-9754
Senator.Strickland@SENATE.CA.GOV,(916) 651-4019,(916) 324-7544
Senator.Steinberg@SENATE.CA.GOV,(916) 651-4006,(916) 323-2263
Senator.Simitian@SENATE.CA.GOV,(916) 651-4011,(916) 323-4529
Senator.Runner@SENATE.CA.GOV,(916) 651-4017,(916) 445-4662
Senator.Romero@SENATE.CA.GOV,(916) 651-4024,(916) 445-0485
Senator.Price@SENATE.CA.GOV,(916) 651-4026,916) 445-8899
Senator.Pavley@SENATE.CA.GOV,(916) 651-4023,(916) 324-4823
Senator.Padilla@SENATE.CA.GOV,(916)-651-4020,(916)-324-6645
Senator.Oropeza@SENATE.CA.GOV,(916) 651-4028,(916) 323-6056
Senator.McLeod@SENATE.CA.GOV,(916) 651-4032,(916) 445-0128
Senator.Maldonado@SENATE.CA.GOV,(916) 651-4015,(916) 445-8081
Senator.Lowenthal@SENATE.CA.GOV,(916) 651-4027,(916) 327-9113
Senator.Liu@SENATE.CA.GOV,(916) 651-4021,(916) 324-7543
Senator.Leno@SENATE.CA.GOV,(916) 651-4003,(916) 445-4722
Senator.Kehoe@SENATE.CA.GOV,(916) 651-4039,(916) 327-2188
Senator.Huff@SENATE.CA.GOV,(916) 651-4029,(916) 324-0922
Senator.Hollingsworth@SENATE.CA.GOV,(916) 651-4036,(916) 447-9008
Senator.Harman@SENATE.CA.GOV,(916) 651-4035,(916) 445-9263
Senator.Hancock@SENATE.CA.GOV,(916) 651-4009,(916) 327-1997
Senator.Florez@SENATE.CA.GOV,(916) 651-4016,(916) 327-5989
Senator.Dutton@SENATE.CA.GOV,(916) 651-4031,(916) 327-2272
Senator.Ducheny@SENATE.CA.GOV,(916) 651-4040,(916) 327-3522
Senator.DeSaulnier@SENATE.CA.GOV,(916) 651-4007,(916) 445-2527
Senator.Denham@SENATE.CA.GOV,(916) 651-4012,(916) 445-0773
Senator.Cox@SENATE.CA.GOV,(916) 651-4001,(916) 324-2680
Senator.Correa@SENATE.CA.GOV,(916) 651-4034,(916) 323-2323
Senator.Corbett@SENATE.CA.GOV,(916) 651-4010,(916) 327-2433
Senator.Cogdill@SENATE.CA.GOV,(916) 651-4014,(916) 327-3523
Senator.Cedillo@SENATE.CA.GOV,(916) 651-4022,(916) 327-8817
Senator.Calderon@SENATE.CA.GOV,(916) 651-4030,(916) 327-8755
Senator.Benoit@SENATE.CA.GOV,(916) 651-4037,(916) 327-2187
Senator.Ashburn@SENATE.CA.GOV,(916) 651-4018,(916) 322-3304
Senator.Alquist@SENATE.CA.GOV,(916) 651-4013,(916) 324-0283
Senator.Aanestad@SENATE.CA.GOV,(916) 651-4004,(916) 445-7750

obeygiant
September 4, 2009, 08:04 PM
Just finished calling all of the Senators and here are the results:

Display Name-----Position-----Action
Leland Yee----------No Position-----added to oppose list
Mark Wyland--------Opposes-----added to oppose list
Roderick Wright-----Unknown-----added to oppose list
Lois Wolk-----------Unknown-----added to oppose list
Pat Wiggins---------Unknown-----added to oppose list
Mimi Walters--------Opposes-----*
Tony Strickland-----Opposes-----Staff member is a member of CGN :D
Darrell Steinberg-----Supports-----added to oppose list
Joe Simitian---------Unknown-----added to oppose list
George Runner------Opposes-----*
Gloria Romero-------Unknown-----Left voicemail asking the senator to oppose this bill
Fran Pavley---------Unknown-----added to oppose list
Alex Padilla---------Unknown-----added to oppose list
Jenny Oropeza-----Unknown-----added to oppose list
Gloria McLeod------Unknown-----added to oppose list
Abel Maldonado----Unknown-----voted against sb585,added to oppose list
Alan Lowenthal-----Supports-----
Carol Liu----------Unknown-----added to oppose list
Mark Leno---------Unknown-----added to oppose list
Christine Kehoe----Unknown-----added to oppose list, stated they have received a lot of calls
Bob Huff----------Opposes-----*
DHollingsworth----Unknown-----added to oppose list
Tom Harman------Unknown-----Left voicemail asking the senator to oppose this bill
Loni Hancock-----Supports-----added to oppose list
Dean Florez-------Unknown-----added to oppose list
Robert Dutton-----Most likely will Oppose-----added to oppose list
Denise Ducheny--Unknown-----added to oppose list
Mark DeSaulnier--Unknown-----added to oppose list
Jeff Denham------Opposes-----*
Dave Cox---------Opposes-----*
Lou Correa--------Most likely will Oppose, said Correa is very supportive of RKBA-----added to oppose list
Ellen Corbett------Unknown-----added to oppose list
Dave Cogdill------Opposes-----*
Gilbert Cedillo-----Unknown,will call back when she finds out his position-----added to oppose list
Ron Calderon-----Unknown-----Left voicemail asking the senator to oppose this bill,ask for Adam Grey x4422
John Benoit-------Opposes----- *
Rov Ashburn------Opposes----- *
Elaine Alquist-----Unknown----- added to oppose list
Sam Aanestad----Opposes----- *

obeygiant
September 7, 2009, 12:39 PM
Based on phonecalls by KylaGWolf , myself and observations by Librarian this (http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showpost.php?p=3027855&postcount=2213) is where we stand so far.


Against - 14
Sam Aanestad R
Rov Ashburn R
John Benoit R
Dave Cogdill R
Lou Correa D
Dave Cox R
Jeff Denham R
Robert Dutton R
Bob Huff R
George Runner R
Tony Strickland R
Mimi Walters R
Lois Wolk D
Mark Wyland R

For - 11
Elaine Alquist D
Gilbert Cedillo D
* Ellen Corbett D
* Loni Hancock D
Christine KehoeD
Mark Leno D
Alan LowenthalD
* Jenny OropezaD
* Curren Price D
* Darrell SteinbergD
* Leland Yee D

Undeclared - 15
Ron Calderon D
Mark DeSaulnierD
Denise DuchenyD
Dean Florez D
Tom Harman R
Dennis HollingsworthR
Carol Liu D
Abel MaldonadoR
Gloria McLeod D
Alex Padilla D
Fran Pavley D
Gloria Romero D
Joe Simitian D
Pat Wiggins D
Roderick WrightD

* Based on votes previously cast in committee

obeygiant
September 10, 2009, 11:48 PM
Update provided by CALNRA.com (http://nramemberscouncils.com/legs.shtml?summary=ab962&year=2009)
Latest Info: 09/09/2009 - Today, AB 962 was passed by the Senate 21 Yes - 18 No. The bill now goes back to the Assembly for a final vote. Please contact the members of the Assembly and urge a NO vote on AB 962. The Last day of session is Friday, 9/11.
ONE-CLICK Message Center (http://nramemberscouncils.com/legs.shtml#contactinfo)
Send a ONE-CLICK Email to the ASSEMBLY against AMMO RESTRICTIONS (AB 962) with this address: assembly090531@muzzleenergy.com

Surefire
September 11, 2009, 10:18 PM
My prediction: This will pass assembly and Arnold will sign it, just like he signed micro-stamping. It is a dark day in CA.

Continue to write the reps and Governor, but consider moving out of CA.

obeygiant
September 12, 2009, 02:05 AM
I'm hoping he stops being a nancyboy and actually does some good for once. That being said here's the update.

AB962 Mail order Ammo Ban passed the Assembly (44 Yes - 31 No). The bill now goes to the Governor's desk. In order for AB962 to NOT become law, the Governor must actively veto the bill within 30 days. Please contact the Governor's office and urge a veto of AB 962.

Updates and contact tools available here (http://calnra.com/legs.shtml?year=2009&summary=ab962)

Stop the Cow Palace Gun Show Ban! (http://calnra.com/legs.shtml?year=2009&summary=sb585)

seed
September 12, 2009, 12:01 PM
Is there any chance whatsoever that he will veto? And before one decides it is imminent that he won't, just remember that nothing is certain and writing him is our last hope.

JJE
September 12, 2009, 06:37 PM
Yes, the Governor may veto - but only because he thinks it will get him what he wants on other issues.

I e-mailed the Governor, but if CA ammo vendors think I'm going to be finger-printed for the privilege of paying California-only prices for ammo and components, they are wrong. I'll spend the next 15 months stocking up over the Internet and I already go to Nevada at least once a year. Maybe I'll pick up a non-resident hunting license the next time I go, I'm pretty sick of the CA DFG as well.

obeygiant
September 13, 2009, 03:22 AM
For anyone wishing to stock up on ammo if this bill is not vetoed by the Governator you have until February 1, 2011 at which point it becomes active.

You can read AB962 in its current amended form here (http://info.sen.ca.gov/pub/09-10/bill/asm/ab_0951-1000/ab_962_bill_20090904_amended_sen_v96.html)

caveman4867
September 13, 2009, 11:55 PM
I feel sorry for you guys and gals.I moved CA.has just gone to FAR

Darthbauer
September 14, 2009, 12:57 AM
CA went to far a while ago.

But that's just MHO.

freakshow10mm
September 14, 2009, 08:53 AM
The bill would provide, subject to exceptions, that commencing
July 1, 2010 February 1, 2011 , the
delivery or transfer of ownership of handgun ammunition may only
occur in a face-to-face transaction, with the deliverer or transferor
being provided bona fide evidence of identity of the purchaser or
other transferee.
So this eliminates mail order handgun ammunition sales to California?

(c) Subdivision (a) shall not apply to or affect the deliveries,
transfers, or sales of, handgun ammunition to any of the following:
I thought this was an exception to the above, but it only covers deliveries to the exceptions, not from them. So this allows domestic ammunition manufacturers to obtain components without doing the thumbprint thing, but foreign manufacturers can't ship handgun ammunition direct to a retail customer with a CA address. Sucks.

Well, there's been firearm transfer fees since 1968. I suppose this is the beginning of the "ammunition transfer fee". Guy orders a case of handgun ammo to ship to his dealer. His dealer charges a $20 fee to transfer the ammo to him. Of all the steps CA took forward the last few years, this is a disappointing setback.

obeygiant
September 19, 2009, 02:17 PM
AB962 & SB585 are sitting on the Governor's desk. Please call and urge a veto on both bills. It's easy to do so as the system is completely automated.

916-445-2841


Step 1: Call the number in the subject
Step 2: Press 1 for English.
Step 3: Press 2 for commenting on a bill on the Governorís desk
Step 4: Press 2 for AB962
Step 5: Press 2 for Oppose
Step 6: Repeat as necessary (preferably once or twice a day).


Step 4a. Press 3 for SB585
Step 5a. Press 2 for Oppose
Step 6: Repeat as necessary (preferably once or twice a day).

obeygiant
September 20, 2009, 05:26 PM
If anyone is interested I made up a flyer that can be printed and handed out to your friends,family,co-workers, FFL,etc.

http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/7435/stopthebanab962sb585tag.th.jpg (http://img269.imageshack.us/i/stopthebanab962sb585tag.jpg/)

Get it here (http://www.4shared.com/file/133994585/67fcb1af/StopTheBan-AB962-SB585-Tags.html)

obeygiant
September 21, 2009, 12:10 AM
Here's version 2

http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/7435/stopthebanab962sb585tag.th.jpg (http://img21.imageshack.us/i/stopthebanab962sb585tag.jpg/)

You can get it Here (http://www.4shared.com/file/134131862/3b59cea1/StopTheBan-AB962-SB585-Tags-09-20-09.html)

obeygiant
September 22, 2009, 12:33 AM
A redesigned version of the flier can be found below:

CGN AB962-SB585 Flyer.pdf (http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/attachment.php?attachmentid=33617&d=1253470805)

freonr22
September 22, 2009, 03:35 AM
I sent a copy to Brian Sussman/ 560 ksfo and

http://www.godgunsandgold.com/about.html

Message http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=221473

Your Help Would Be Appreciated CALLS NEEDED! AB962 AND SB585 ARE ON THE GOVERNOR'S DESK AND MUST BE VETOED!
Call Arnold NOW and let him know that these two Bills need to be VETOED!! Governor's Phone# 916-445-2841
More info and email and snail mail contact info in this thread: here!


Not Me, But from the below post
Attached is a PDF of the flyer we're printing for distribution to FFLs, vendors and anyone who will let us put some on the counter. I have some stock here in Bay Area, NorCal if anyone can help me get these out; if you're in another location and want to help I will have these run and cut at a Kinkos in your area; all you have to do is pick them up and get them out. Please email me at wildhawker@gmail.com if you can help.

Hat tip to obeygiant et al for their hard work and push to get this into the wild.

-Brandon

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=224015

Thank you

Paul Carlino

obeygiant
September 22, 2009, 11:57 PM
A redesigned version of the flier can be found below:

CGN AB962-SB585 Flyer.pdf (http://benjamincannon.net/gun/CGab962sb585%20FINAL.pdf)

Drop these off with your local FFL, Walmart, BIG5, friends, family and co-workers.

BHP FAN
September 23, 2009, 03:06 AM
I emailed my note to the Governator. Your turn!

obeygiant
September 24, 2009, 03:54 AM
Here is a screen version of the flyer that can be emailed to friends, relatives, neighbors, etc. It can also be used on a web page.

http://www.discardedcrew.com/calguns/CGab962sb585_3_web600.jpg

homers
September 26, 2009, 02:00 PM
Oppose AB962 Now!

AB962 is sitting on the Governorís desk awaiting his veto or signature. AB962 would mandate the following changes in the way you buy ammunition:


1) It would prohibit the sale of ammo in a manner that allows the ammunition to be accessible without the help of an employee. In other words, youíll have to stand in line and have to wait to be shown the ammunition you may want to purchase.

2) It would require the dealer to ask for you ID each time you buy handgun ammunition and the dealer will record the following personal information:

a. A thumbprint

b. Your CDL #

c. Your home address and telephone number

d. The brand and type of ammunition that you purchased

e. Your date of birth

3) Additionally, it would be illegal to buy ammo via online or mail order methods, so if a local store canít find you older, hard-to-get or obsolete ammunition, you wonít be able to get it from via the internet.



Please contact the Governor today and let him know that you oppose AB962.



You can contact him at 916-445-2841 and do an auto-vote against the bill as follows:


Listen to the recorded message and press in the following order:

1 (English)
2 (legislation)
2 (AB962)
2 (against)


If it is busy Ė keep trying, and it is easier to get through after hours. It is all automated.

freakshow10mm
September 29, 2009, 03:06 PM
Keep the pressure on people:

Written by NSSF
Tuesday, 29 September 2009 04:31

With great support from Cabela's and major distributors throughout the country, grassroots efforts to combat three anti-gun bills in California have been so strong that the Governor's Office has had to open up another fax line (916-445-4633) to handle demands that he veto the anti-gun legislation. NSSF is encouraging all manufacturers, retailers and distributors, along with all sportsmen, gun owners and firearms enthusiasts, to continue calling, writing and faxing Gov. Schwarzenegger's office urging him to veto AB 962 (ammunition registration), SB 41(burdensome and unnecessary regulations that duplicate existing requirements under federal law governing the sale of firearms) and SB 585 (prohibitions on the lawful sale of firearms and ammunition at the Cow Palace exhibition center).

NSSF and the California Association of Firearms Retailers (CAFR) urge all gun owners in the state to contact the governor's office and respectfully urge him to veto these anti-gun bills.

Once again, the business environment in California will become more difficult for retailers during a time when the state is in desperate need of revenue.

More information on the bills:

AB 962 -- Would require that firearms dealers and other vendors of ammunition keep a registry of all buyers of handgun ammunition. The bill would also ban all mail order and Internet sales of handgun ammunition and reloading components.

SB 41-- Would further burden firearms retailers by requiring additional paperwork and documentation on the date of delivery of all firearms to a buyer. This bill equally affects consumers of firearms as the increased dealer costs would be passed along to the purchaser.

The bill also requires dealers to sign and to obtain the signature of the buyer or other transferee of a handgun on the Department of Justice Dealers Record of Sale (DROS) form indicating that the handgun has been delivered and the date upon which the delivery was made. It would further require dealers to date and sign a form stating that the buyer of a rifle or shotgun had taken possession of the gun.

SB 585 -- Would prohibit the lawful sale of firearms and ammunition at the Cow Palace exhibition facility near San Francisco, located in Agricultural District 1-A, and would make a violation of that prohibition a crime. Its purpose is to ban gun shows at the Cow Palace and to set a precedent for the banning of all gun shows at other state-owned facilities where many sportsmen buy firearms and ammunition.

In California all firearms bought and sold at gun shows must be transferred through a federally licensed firearms retailer who is required under federal and state law to run a background check on the prospective buyer.

Guy B. Meredith
September 30, 2009, 11:30 PM
Could someone direct me to the thread that explains why another governmental group discontinued the ammo scheme due to lack of effectiveness? I'd like to refer to that in my FAX and phone call.

Librarian
October 1, 2009, 12:57 AM
Could someone direct me to the thread that explains why another governmental group discontinued the ammo scheme due to lack of effectiveness? I'd like to refer to that in my FAX and phone call.

The 1968 Gun Control Act, the one that created 18 USC 922 and related things, had the ammunition registration. In 1986 I believe it was the Firearms Owners Protection Act (unintentionally ironic) that removed that provision. ATF testified it had never been used to solve a crime.

Guy B. Meredith
October 3, 2009, 10:15 PM
Thanks. Two more FAXes in the gov's office.

obeygiant
October 7, 2009, 12:46 AM
We have until the 11th to try and make our voices heard. Call the Governor and ask him to veto AB962 and SB585. The entire process is automated so it only takes a minute of your time. Here are some instructions on how you can program your cell phone to enter all the responses for you.

For blackberry users

For AB962



Create a contact and add the Governor's Sacramento Office # 9164452841
Press the menu key, select Add Wait
Enter a 1
Press the menu key, select Add Pause
Press the menu key, select Add Pause
Press the menu key, select Add Pause
Enter a 2
Press the menu key, select Add Pause
Press the menu key, select Add Pause
Enter a 2
Press the menu key, select Add Pause
Press the menu key, select Add Pause
Enter a 2



Your phone number should now look something like this:

9164452841W1PPP2PP2PP2

For SB585

On Step 10 change it from a 2 to a 3

and your phone number should now look like this

9164452841W1PPP2PP3PP2

The process for adding a wait or pause on other phones varies but if you follow the formula below it should work.
9164452841-wait-1-pause-pause-pause-2-pause-pause-2-pause-pause-2


For iPhone


While in the ADD Contact mode:

Enter a pause in a number Tap +- # , then tap Pause. One or more pauses
may be required by a phone system before
dialing an extension, for example. Pauses appear
as commas when the number is saved.

(916) 445-2841 ,1,,2,,2,,2 <that works in my iPhone to auto dial


For step by step instructions check out this article (http://www.tech-recipes.com/rx/2495/iphone_insert_dialing_pause_into_contact_phone_numbers/) or this one (http://www.mydigitallife.us/2008/10/iphone---tip-of-the-week---adding-a-pause-to-a-phone-number-in-your-contacts.html)

For Windows Mobile

I actually saw the "Insert Pause" and "Insert Wait" commands recently, but didn't really know what to do with them. You can also just type the letter "p" or "w" in the phone number field of your regular contacts program if you want to insert a pause or wait command when dialing.

You can also check out this article (http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/news/show/88359/using-the-pause-feature-to-dial-extensions-in-windows-mobile.html)


For Other Phones

Most non-pda phones will let you enter a pause but I'm not sure if they have a wait option. These instructions are for regular cell phones that I found online.



Press * three times for a pause on a Nokia cell phone, a 'p' should appear
Hold * to enter a pause on a Sony cell phone
Hold * to enter a pause on a Samsung cell phone
Hold the # key to enter a pause on a LG cell phone
Press Redial|Pause on a Uniden cell phone.
some PDA phones use letters or Commas... motorola Q uses a "," and the samsung omnia uses a lower case "p"

JimmAr
October 7, 2009, 04:19 AM
We only have the next 5 days or so gents.. get together and make sure this viral bill doesnt hurt those of us who do live in California like myself.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cyww1oDuTU

God bless nutnfancy using his mighty large youtube subscriber base to make a larger movement from every part of the world.

Revolver Ocelot
October 7, 2009, 04:53 AM
I to am concerned by this new bill and have added addtional info in my own thread (I didn't see this earlier please check it out)

http://thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=479158

BHP FAN
October 7, 2009, 09:56 AM
nice quote there,Oce...

obeygiant
October 11, 2009, 02:04 AM
Mods, Please forgive the duplicate post but we need the help of all Gun Owners on this.

A quick recap,Among other regulations AB 962 would:

-- Ban all mail-order and Internet sales of handgun ammunition.
-- Prohibit the retail sale, the offer for sale or the display of handgun ammunition in a manner that allows ammunition to be accessible to a purchaser without assistance of a vendor or employee.
-- Require that the delivery or transfer of ownership of handgun ammunition occur in a face-to-face transaction, with the deliverer or transferor being provided bona fide evidence of identity of the purchaser or other transferee.

That evidence of identity, which must be legibly recorded at the time of delivery, includes:
-- The right thumbprint of the purchaser or transferee.
-- The date of the sale or other transaction.
-- The purchaser's or transferee's driver's license or other identification number and the state in which it was issued.
-- The brand, type and amount of ammunition sold or otherwise transferred.
-- The purchaser's or transferee's signature.
-- The name of the salesperson who processed the sale or other transaction.
-- The purchaser's or transferee's full residential address and telephone number.
-- The purchaser's or transferee's date of birth.

If you wish to comment on AB 962, you may contact Gov. Schwarzenegger by phone at (916) 445-2841, or via


YOU CAN HELP BY DOING THE FOLLOWING:

Governor's office # 916-445-2841

Step 1: Call the number above
Step 2: Press 1 for English.
Step 3: Press 2 for commenting on a bill on the Governorís desk
Step 4: Press 2 for AB962
Step 5: Press 2 for Oppose

Email Gov. Schwarzenegger on his website http://gov.ca.gov/interact

Fax him at (916) 558-3160.

Darthbauer
October 11, 2009, 02:12 AM
Just called and hit number 2!

BHP FAN
October 11, 2009, 03:37 AM
e-mailed again.made sure to be brief,polite.

obeygiant
October 11, 2009, 06:20 PM
9 Hours Left!!

Facebook users, Please go over and join the following groups that are asking for a VETO on AB962

Veto California Assembly Bill 962 (288 members) (http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=134622217886)

Americans Against CA Assembly Bill 962 (330 Members) (http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=169302880147)

Send a message to him via Twitter to this address
@schwarzenegger

Call the Governor, Ask him to VETO AB962 (Ban on Internet Ammo Sales)

Step 1: Call 916-445-2841 (Governor)
Step 2: Press 1 for English
Step 3: Press 2 to comment on a bill
Step 4: Press 2 for AB962
Step 5: Press 2 for Oppose (VETO)
Step 6: Make your voice heard- repeat as often as possible!!

craneman
October 11, 2009, 08:58 PM
I sent an E-mail and called. I hope we can make a difference.:cuss:

JimmAr
October 11, 2009, 09:03 PM
I sent an E-mail and called. I hope we can make a difference.:cuss:
Indeed! Welcome to the forums, Craneman ^^

obeygiant
October 11, 2009, 11:59 PM
Cow Palace Gunshow Ban Vetoed! (http://gov.ca.gov/pdf/press/2009bills/SB585_Leno_Veto_Message.pdf)

Surefire
October 12, 2009, 01:55 AM
In one hour, AB 962 will be law unless it is vetoed....

Noxx
October 12, 2009, 02:00 AM
One hour to go, 962 still not acted on. Going to sit up a while I guess and see.

Noxx
October 12, 2009, 04:08 AM
Well it's one a.m. here in california.

Ab 962 was not listed in the midnight legislative release, so unless there is some delay in reporting from the gov. newsroom, which I doubt, it appears that the governor has acted by deciding not to act.

I think I'll take a book and head down to the 24 hour diner. Feels like a night for hot wings a good read, and more than a little escapism. I don't much feel like digesting what just happened, or how it was allowed to.

Samgotit
October 12, 2009, 09:39 AM
He signed it:


To the Members of the California State Assembly: I am signing Assembly Bill 962.

This measure would require vendors of handgun ammunition to keep a log of information on handgun ammunition sales, store ammunition in a safe and secure manner, and require the face to-
face transfer of ammunition sales.

Although I have previously vetoed legislation similar to this measure, local governments have demonstrated that requiring ammunition vendors to keep records on ammunition sales improves public safety. These records have allowed law enforcement to arrest and prosecute persons who have no business possessing firearms and ammunition: gang members, violent parolees, second and third strikers, and even people previously serving time in state prison for murder.

Utilized properly, this type of information is invaluable for keeping communities safe and preventing dangerous felons from committing crimes with firearms.

Moreover, this type of record keeping is no more intrusive for law abiding citizens than similar laws governing pawnshops or the sale of cold medicine. Unfortunately, even the most successful
local program is flawed; without a statewide law, felons can easily skirt the record keeping requirements of one city by visiting another. Assembly Bill 962 will fix this problem by
mandating that all ammunition vendors in the state keep records on ammunition sales.

As Governor, I have sought the appropriate balance between public safety and the right to keep and bear arms. I have signed important public safety measures to regulate the sale and transfer of .50 caliber rifles, instituted the California Firearms License Check program, and promoted the use of microstamping technology in handguns. I have also vetoed many pieces of legislation that sought to place unreasonable restrictions and burdens on firearms dealers and ammunition vendors.

Assembly Bill 962 reasonably regulates access to ammunition and improves public safety without placing undue burdens on consumers. For these reasons, I am pleased to sign this bill."

Norinco982lover
October 12, 2009, 10:52 AM
http://www.news10.net/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=68596&catid=2

obeygiant
October 12, 2009, 12:13 PM
To everyone that helped to try and defeat this bill, Thank you.

armoredman
October 12, 2009, 02:35 PM
Sorry. I wish I still had some Schwartzenliar movies to break and send back to him.

JDoe
October 12, 2009, 02:42 PM
The regulation of internet delivery of ammunition as drafted in AB962 is preeempted by the Federal Aviation Administration Authorization Act of 1994 (http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=230676)(FAAAAA '94).

sharkman
October 12, 2009, 03:15 PM
Time for someone to open a 'Big Box' type ammunition store just inside the Nevada border...

freakshow10mm
October 12, 2009, 03:27 PM
I'm already in the process of shopping for a new factory location in NV or AZ. Plans might move to a 1yr plan instead of the 5yr plan.

Kingofthehill
October 12, 2009, 03:41 PM
Holy crap it passed.

IM so happy i moved out of CA 2months ago when i had the chance. good god what a load of BULL

JimmAr
October 12, 2009, 06:20 PM
You know I dont vote and im not registered.. however if he ever runs for senate im going to register and vote against this Hollywood gun toting hypocrite idiot.

craneman
October 12, 2009, 08:49 PM
I vote.............I am voting against ALL who favored it, and will always do so when it involves a loss of our freedoms.:mad:

Thanks for the welcome Jimmar.

BHP FAN
October 12, 2009, 09:30 PM
welcome aboard!

MarcusWendt
October 12, 2009, 11:00 PM
This just makes me ill.

J23
October 12, 2009, 11:25 PM
...for those of you in **********... Im truly sorry. ...at this point, I would probably move. ...and not just because of the draconian gun control... but because of the laundry list of other moronic laws these elected idiots in your state have installed. I have never seen a place where common sense is a four letter phrase like that bottomless pit; it's like the tenth level of hell out there.

I mean my god, Dianne Feinstein (no introduction needed,) Nancy Pelosi (the U.S. is going to hell, and shes PROUD to be driving the bus,) Arnold Schwarzenegger (who ironically made millions of dollars expending billions of rounds killing thousands of people for decades-but hey, guns are bad. Imagine if ol' Matrix [Commando] was held back like the rest of Kali's citizens; he would have never been able to save his daughter!) Barbara Boxer (who must have forgot about Jewish history, being disarmed and killed off wholesale, compliments of Hitler, coinsidentally, also anti-gun,) and of course Henry Waxman ("If someone is so fearful that they are going to start using their weapons to protect their rights, it makes me very nervous that these people have weapons at all." ...wow, isnt that what happened during that whole AMERICAN REVOLUTION thing? I doubt that <beep> can even spell it. Im surprised any of them can even spell their own freaking names.)

I mean, with this laundry list of <beep>'s running the state, what in the world do you expect?! You're all lucky youre even allowed to own a paintball gun. I suppose it shows the mentality of the majority of voters out there; H.U.Y.A. is like an epidemic; I wasnt aware it was airborne now, hell, forget H1N1, you people have a much larger problem than that, come on W.H.O., let's knock out a vaccine for that one!

In all seriousness, if you people think this is bad, just wait until 2010, let's all take a long, hard look. If these mentally defective <beeps>'s continue to control the house and senate... well, just you wait, ********** today will look like an NRA convention compared to what the whole country is going to be like by the time our savior Obama is re-elected in 2012. ...and Im probably candy coating it...

but hey, lets keep putting our heads in the sand and pretending that everything will go back to the days of red plaid and a gun in every household!

If everyone who participates on THR (along with everyone else concerned about the constitution, in both state and federal form) isnt piping mad after today's news, wow. Just... wow. :cuss::fire::mad::banghead:

obeygiant
October 16, 2009, 01:21 AM
From CALNRA:

CALIFORNIA LEGISLATIVE ALERT (http://www.calnra.com/calerts/calert101309.shtml)
This information is accurate at the time this CAL-ERT was written and originally distributed. The NRA Members' Councils of California will keep you informed as issues affect your gun-rights in California.

NRA SPONSORS LEGISLATION TO REPEAL AB962!

Earlier this year, Assemblyman Curt Hagman introduced Assembly Bill 373 related to the sales of handguns. AB373 was sponsored by the National Rifle Association in order to streamline the ability for law-abiding Californians to purchase handguns.

Now that Governor Schwarzenegger has signed AB962 into law, people are already becoming aware of the damage that it will do to California and it's citizens. Therefore, the NRA and Assemblyman Hagman have agreed to amend AB373 into legislation that would repeal AB962. The newly amended AB373 will be heard in the State Legislature in January of 2010 so we must be ready for these hearings.

All of California's firearms owners, dealers, shooters, hunters, collectors, clubs/organizations, and ammunition vendors, should be prepared to join in this effort to repeal AB962. This will not be an easy fight, but it is possible to win if we all stick together and act in an organized manner.

We, the NRA, will have specific activities that everyone can participate in during this important effort. Please stand-by and be prepared to help. There is no good reason not to be part of the team.

Read the NRA-ILA News Release regarding Governor Schwarzenegger's counter-productive signing of AB962 Here (http://www.nraila.org/News/Read/NewsReleases.aspx?ID=12998)

As a first-step in this process; please contact Assemblyman Curt Hagman and thank him for demonstrating his leadership by using his legislation (AB373) for this very important effort to repeal AB962. His office phone number is 916-319-2060 and you can email him Here (http://arc.asm.ca.gov/member/60/default.aspx?p=email .)

More to come.................

WHAT ELSE YOU CAN DO:


Join the NRA and CRPA now!
If you are not already a member of your local NRA Members' Council, JOIN NOW Here! (http://www.calnra.com/volunteer/) It costs you nothing but a little of your time - volunteering to help the NRA regain our Second Amendment rights in California.
If you received this CALIFORNIA-ALERT SYSTEM (CAL-ERTs) message from sources other than your own personal subscription, we encourage you to subscribe to this free service Here (http://e-govmail.com/cgi-bin/subscribe.cgi?to=nramemberscouncils.com) . We won't send you messages very often, but when we do, something important is happening.
Circulate this alert to every firearms owner, shooter, hunter, club, and freedom-loving American that you know and ask them to help.
Read the "Open Letter to California's Sportsmen" Here (http://www.calnra.com/caspecial/openletter.shtml)
Subscribe to NRA-ILA alerts from NRA HQ -- Here (https://secure.nraila.org/EmailSignup.aspx)
Subscribe to CRPA alerts Here (http://www.crpa.org/lb_survey.asp)

obeygiant
October 16, 2009, 01:26 AM
Online petition now Available! Please visit the link below to sign the petition.

SIGN HERE! (http://www.calnra.com/petition/)

CALNRA: LETTERS TO THE LEGISLATURE SUPPORTING AB373 (Updated: Online petition!)
Almost everyone now knows that the NRA is currently engaged in an effort to repeal the ammunition buyer registration scheme (AB962), that Governor Schwarzenegger signed into law, by passing AB373 next year.

As you might have heard NRA-ILA CA State Liaison Ed Worley say on NRANEWS.com , we are planning to deliver a huge number of support letters to the Capitol during the Legislative Hearings on AB373 in January 2010.

We can't do this alone. We need everyone to get together and help us gather the volume necessary to be heard. And we want our message to be so "loud" that EVERYONE hears it.

Please download the letter at this link: http://www.calnra.com/doc/supportab373.pdf and print as many copies as you wish. Circulate these letters and send them back to me as soon as possible. Distribute them at gun clubs, Members' Councils, gun shows, gun stores, and anywhere else you can think of.

EDIT/UPDATE: Mike Haas was up all night creating an online petition version of the AB373 support letter. Go to http://www.calnra.com/petition/ to sign the letter of support online.

Forward this message to every list of gun owners that you have. Send it to everyone!

I would like to have tens-of-thousands of these letters to drop on the Capitol during the first hearing!

Please help us continue to fight for our Second Amendment freedoms here in the Golden State.

BTW, for those of you looking for the exact text of AB373, the language has not been returned by the legislature yet. We will post the actual text of AB373 when it officially exists.

Currently, we are out-in-front of everything on this and that is where I want to stay.

Paul
__________________
Fighting for the restoration and preservation of the Second Amendment, right here in California since 1989!

H. Paul Payne, NRA Liaison to the Executive Vice President
3565 La Ciotat Way, Riverside, CA 92501
(951) 683-4NRA Office (951) 779-0740 Fax
nrausmc@earthlink.net Email
California NRA Web Site (http://www.calnra.com) ----- CLICK HERE to Join NRA's California Team of Volunteers

BHP FAN
October 16, 2009, 02:05 AM
Thanks!

obeygiant
October 16, 2009, 02:27 AM
You're welcome. Good to know that y'all aren't sick of me yet. :D

obeygiant
October 17, 2009, 01:53 PM
Please feel free to cross-post the 2 alerts above on other forums you belong to especially if there are CA gun owners there.

Non-residents of the People's Republic please feel free to sign as we've been told that it can't hurt us. The idea is hand this petition in when it gets brought before the CA legislature so everyone that does sign in support will be counted in the list of Supporters on the bill.

Again, thank you to everyone that has helped!

Guy B. Meredith
October 17, 2009, 02:09 PM
So where can we Californians on the front line in defense of nationwide 2nd amendment rights find the full text of AB373? I've done a couple of quick searches and the bills I've found are not firearms ralated.

fastbolt
October 17, 2009, 02:39 PM
... find the full text of AB373? I've done a couple of quick searches and the bills I've found are not firearms ralated.

http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/pub/09-10/bill/asm/ab_0351-0400/ab_373_bill_20090223_introduced.html

http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/postquery?bill_number=ab_373&sess=CUR&house=B&author=hagman

Guy B. Meredith
October 17, 2009, 02:49 PM
I stand corrected. I had seen that text, but it does not seem related to "the sales of handguns... to streamline the ability for law-abiding Californians to purchase handguns." Will that be in the amendment to the bill?

obeygiant
October 18, 2009, 06:42 PM
The official signature count after a mere 4 days of being online is:

Originally posted by mikehaas: 1005 !
Thank you again to everyone that has signed. If you have not done so please take a minute and Sign Here (http://www.calnra.com/petition/)

obeygiant
October 18, 2009, 06:44 PM
I stand corrected. I had seen that text, but it does not seem related to "the sales of handguns... to streamline the ability for law-abiding Californians to purchase handguns." Will that be in the amendment to the bill?

That bill is being amended to include the necessary language to repeal AB962. As soon as the amended version is available I'll be happy to post it here.

Kingofthehill
October 18, 2009, 07:48 PM
Ive written hard copy letters, Emails, called and did the online signature. As well as my g/f and a few friends at work.

No longer in CA but I feel for you guys. Were all in this together. Is there a donation link somewhere? Id like to help the guys investing the long hours fighting this for "ALL" of us.

http://i35.tinypic.com/14jmic2.jpg

obeygiant
October 19, 2009, 12:58 AM
Ive written hard copy letters, Emails, called and did the online signature. As well as my g/f and a few friends at work.

No longer in CA but I feel for you guys. Were all in this together. Is there a donation link somewhere? Id like to help the guys investing the long hours fighting this for "ALL" of us.

You are absolutely right we are ALL in this together. A perfect example of this is McDonald et al v. Chicago (http://wiki.calgunsfoundation.org/index.php/McDonald_v._Chicago).

CGF was actually the one who footed the bill for the 100k flyers and the shipping to get those out to the members that had volunteered to distribute them.

You can donate to the Calguns Foundation here (http://www.calgunsfoundation.org/index.php/donate)

Thank you for your support!

obeygiant
October 21, 2009, 12:22 PM
1543 as of 10/21/09 12:29am

obeygiant
October 26, 2009, 08:59 PM
Originally posted by mikehaas: Number of signers is now displayed on the petition opening page (http://calnra.com/petition/).


Here's the current count:

http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/1407/petition2213.jpg (http://calnra.com/petition/)

Scott707
December 23, 2009, 04:47 AM
Arnold shouldn't even be allowed to call himself a republican ! this bill is the worst thing to happen to gun rights ever in CA . He's making it feel like a crime just to buy ammo for range use .

TooTaxed
January 6, 2010, 12:16 AM
I loved living in California...it has some of the most beautiful scenery in the nation.

But I left exactly because of this sort of thing...and I'll never return to ********** to live there. Frankly, I don't feel safe there...twice I had to show a gun to prevent unprovoked physical assaults or robberies. The government appears to want to provide the bad guys with ever more unarmed crime targets.

There will be, of course, a new black market in ammunition in **********.

Jefferson Herb
January 16, 2010, 02:03 AM
I've been on line looking for classic reloading componants,and have been told by Cabela's and Champions Shooters[in ohio] that when this bill takes effect;that they will nolonger ship to Kali.In the case of Champion Shooters,this will include all law enforcement.
I sent an E-mail to federal,[tried others] to request that when this law takes effect;that they cease all buisness with ca.This would hurt buisness for some,but I feel it's the only to get the attention of the mis-reps that must have some bloodline linking them to Hitler.
I realise that the State of Jefferson is only a state of mind,but how I would love for it to become reality. Jeffersonstate.com, check it out.
I hope to escape in about 5 yrs if this nonsense continues.
I don't know if signing the book will help,but it can't hurt anymore than it does.
If Roberts Rules of Order apply to Awnold,I move to Reconsider;I made a mistake.

BHP FAN
January 16, 2010, 02:39 AM
you and me both,bro.

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