I was let on a flight today with a LOADED pistol in an IWB! No joke!


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Quilbilly
May 31, 2009, 03:16 PM
I was in spokane this morning and just got on the plane!!!

Okay here is the real story. After 6 years of school to become a missionary pilot, my buddy finally graduated. I got a chance to go flying with my 2 best friends from high school. I realized about half way through that i was flying with a gun. It was so cool!

Just thought I would share...and try to mess with you guys a little.

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thorazine
May 31, 2009, 04:19 PM
Nice to fly private huh?

No crazy TSA agents.

Kind of Blued
May 31, 2009, 07:12 PM
And once you realized you had a gun, you didn't have the sudden, insatiable, primordial urge to hijack the plane. Maybe somebody from the Brady bunch will stop by and explain this utter impossibility for us.

ganymede
May 31, 2009, 08:00 PM
NOw if they would just let us have guns on comercial flights, no hijaking would ever succeed

Eightball
May 31, 2009, 08:02 PM
Lucky.

Quilbilly
May 31, 2009, 08:43 PM
"And once you realized you had a gun, you didn't have the sudden, insatiable, primordial urge to hijack the plane."

I know!!! Weird... He even let me take the controls and I didn't even try to crash it into anything!!!

Avenger29
May 31, 2009, 08:46 PM
You should see what I fly with.

Too Stupid for Arbys, however, wants to control general aviation...

ants
May 31, 2009, 08:54 PM
I did some construction work at a major airport, we were required to take security classes. The instructor told us that all TSA rules apply to every flight in US airspace, even private planes.

Just in case that's true, I wouldn't spread your story too widely. There are some odd investigators at TSA who get their pit-bull teeth into something like this and won't let go.

jim in Anchorage
May 31, 2009, 08:58 PM
Up in till 1-2 years ago a firearm was required by law, in Alaska on private flights as part of your survival gear. It got dropped because the Canadians were freaking over Alaska pilots with guns landing there on thier way to the lower 48.

Avenger29
May 31, 2009, 09:27 PM
I did some construction work at a major airport, we were required to take security classes. The instructor told us that all TSA rules apply to every flight in US airspace, even private planes.

Your instructor lied.

TSA wishes it were so, and have been trying to make it so, but have not succeeded. Yet. But, I would not be surprised if they do eventually.

jim in Anchorage
May 31, 2009, 09:37 PM
I did some construction work at a major airport, we were required to take security classes. The instructor told us that all TSA rules apply to every flight in US airspace, even private planes.

Just in case that's true, I wouldn't spread your story too widely. There are some odd investigators at TSA who get their pit-bull teeth into something like this and won't let go.
Nothing personal,but that is one of the most profoundly untrue statements I have ever seen.

737Driver
May 31, 2009, 10:39 PM
Thousands Standing Around
Tweezer Snatching A**holes
Too Stupid for Arbys
Tub Stacking A**holes

Any More?

Buck Snort
May 31, 2009, 10:49 PM
Jim In Anchorage wrote: "Up in till 1-2 years ago a firearm was required by law, in Alaska on private flights as part of your survival gear. It got dropped because the Canadians were freaking over Alaska pilots with guns landing there on thier way to the lower 48."

My opinion of Canada is rapidly dropping to the level of my opinion of England.

Crash_Test_Dhimmi
May 31, 2009, 11:10 PM
OK true story.
My wife is visually impaired, so I usually get the non-boarding pass boarding pass, to go meet her at the gate as an escort as opposed to meeting her at baggage claim.

So I go to the airport to pick her up today, disarm in my car. Go to the agent to get my non boarding pass and head to security.
So im going through security, and im walking through the metal detector.
DING DING
:banghead:

"Sir do you have your cell phone on you?"

"uhm no, I just have this, its empty by the way" (I was wearing my IWB SANS handgun of course, it had a metallic belt clip, but has never dinged on the metal detector at this airport previously (leading me to believe it was non magnetic) Its just a pain in the rosie odonnel to take it off of my pants everytime I have to, So I just leave it on for the most part when its time to disarm)

So I reach behind me and pull out the empty IWB.

TSA says: "That needs to go on the Xray conveyor belt, does it have any money in it?" :scrutiny:

So I smile, and say, "nope, its empty, just like I said".

I put it on the conveyor belt, walked through the metal detector and went on my merry way.

I guess he assumed it was one of those security esque money belts that people wear under their clothes. Thank God for Government Employees.

/I too am a gov employee, so I can talk
//.MIL

jim in Anchorage
May 31, 2009, 11:21 PM
My opinion of Canada is rapidly dropping to the level of my opinion of England.

Which is unfortunate because most of the people I meet in Western Canada[BC,Yukon] are very pro gun. The problem is their national politics are dominated by east coast city liberals from Ottawa and Toronto. Kinda like a certain other country I can think of.

SquirrelNuts
May 31, 2009, 11:26 PM
Taking Scissors Away

TehK1w1
June 1, 2009, 01:37 AM
Two very important questions have not yet been asked :)
1. What model of gun?
2. What model of plane?

jim in Anchorage
June 1, 2009, 02:08 AM
What?

juk
June 1, 2009, 04:15 AM
I would be willing to bet that since it will be for missionary flights, it would be a high wing, single engine monoplane, with at least 4 seats. More than likely, A cessna 172, 175, 182, 185, 205, 210, or 208. I guess they could also run Pilatus and others too. As to the gun....I dunno. :)

amprecon
June 1, 2009, 01:07 PM
PILOTS WITH GUNS!? Are you people insane?!

Yo Mama
June 1, 2009, 01:11 PM
Am I the only person concerned that it took you half way through the flight to realize you had a gun on you? All kidding aside, you need to know where your guns are at all times.:confused:

rondog
June 1, 2009, 01:56 PM
Another true story...

I used to work on the road a lot, and in 1987 I was on a project in west Texas. I was driving my van, and had a pos Rohm RG10 .22 short revolver in my camera bag for popping at rabbits with.

Mission changed, and I drove back home to Oklahoma to unload my van and catch a flight to somewhere. I took my camera bag, flew there and flew back, and was at my house going through my camera bag for something, and found that loaded revolver still in the bag! :what:

I'd been through two metal detectors and one hand inspection of the bag, and they never found it. If they had, I'd probably still be in jail. :uhoh:

ants
June 1, 2009, 04:31 PM
Well, it looks like TSA requirements do apply to private aircraft while they are in the Air Operations Area of the airport or air terminal facility. That doesn't mean a private plane is treated like a commercial aircraft, but TSA requirements still apply. The passenger gate area for commercial air operations is a 'sterile' area with monitored security screening, where the general aviation area does not necessarily require screening. Nevertheless, the AOA still has specific firearm requirements, even in general aviation.

http://law.justia.com/us/cfr/title49/49-9.1.3.5.8.2.10.6.html

I retyped this from a training document (the italics are mine for emphasis):


Federally law prohibits the carrying a firearm, concealed, cased, or within your control in almost every area of the AOA (Air Operations Area) as defined by 49 CFR 1540.5 where aircraft are stored, maintained or operated.

Air operations area (AOA) means a portion of an airport, specified in the airport security program, in which security measures are carried out. This area includes aircraft movement areas, aircraft parking areas, loading ramps, and safety areas, for use by aircraft regulated under 49 CFR part 1544 or 1546, and any adjacent areas (such as general aviation areas) that are not separated by adequate security systems, measures, or procedures. This area does not include the secured area.

Within the AOA firearms restrictions apply under 49 CFR 1540.111. This means your firearm should be put in a bag (which contains a locked case) which is checked (in this case handed to the pilot or other designated individual) prior to the entrance of the AOA (i.e. tarmac).
So it appears that guns are allowed, you just have to follow TSA regulations when you're in the Air Operations Area. Once you have left the AOA, none of this applies until you land in an AOA again.

Gunnerpalace
June 1, 2009, 04:45 PM
My opinion of Canada is rapidly dropping to the level of my opinion of England.

Well, the people are great, the government there though, they make the welders at Vulcan arms look good.

Quilbilly
June 1, 2009, 05:41 PM
It was a 4 seat Cessna. Im not sure on the model, but i do know it had 164 horses. The pistol was a Kahr CW9 in a Desantis Insider.

ReadyRob
June 1, 2009, 07:01 PM
PLEASE :banghead: STOP :banghead: IT :banghead:

I can't take any more stories about forgetting your carrying

And some wonder why Joe Citizen think us gun nuts are nuts

jim in Anchorage
June 1, 2009, 08:05 PM
It was a 4 seat Cessna. Im not sure on the model, but i do know it had 164 horses. The pistol was a Kahr CW9 in a Desantis Insider

Probably a 172 180 hp. But the only thing important here is you went in and out on the general aviation side. There is no screening for a reason-tsa regs do not apply.

Dimis
June 1, 2009, 10:58 PM
Talking Smack Again

Quilbilly
June 2, 2009, 05:36 AM
OMG ReadyBob! Obviously I knew I had a gun. I just realized that I had it WHILE I was in a plane. Cheese and rice, get a grip.

CajunBass
June 2, 2009, 07:44 AM
can't take any more stories about forgetting your carrying

I carry a gun most of the time. I don't think about it any more than I "think" about carrying a pocket knife. I suppose you could say I "forget" it.

foghornl
June 2, 2009, 08:16 AM
TSA =

T hieves (and)
S tealers
A ssociates

chuckusaret
June 2, 2009, 09:00 AM
The majority of the TSA personnel that I have had the displeasure of working with have a lack of intelligence/common sense.

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