Captured Mosin's in Vietnam


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lionking
May 31, 2009, 05:40 PM
came across these pics.....................


http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k246/musicnut_2006/Mosins%20captured%20Vietnam/ShauValley-Vietnammosinstockpile.jpg
http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k246/musicnut_2006/Mosins%20captured%20Vietnam/ShauValley-Vietnammosinpile.jpg
http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k246/musicnut_2006/Mosins%20captured%20Vietnam/ShauValley-Vietnammosincapture.jpg
http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k246/musicnut_2006/Mosins%20captured%20Vietnam/ShauValley-Vietnamcapturedmosins.jpg
http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k246/musicnut_2006/Mosins%20captured%20Vietnam/ShauValley-Vietnam.jpg

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Dr.Rob
May 31, 2009, 05:54 PM
Neat pics, just remember the Soviets sent mountains of equipment to the communists, and the VietCong were still often fighting with captured Japanese, French and US WW2 era weapons. Those in the wrapper Nagants would have been like Christmas in July. More than a few of those bolt action rifles came home with GI's (I've seen 3 with capture papers.)

wally
May 31, 2009, 06:18 PM
The worst of the lot looks a bunch better than the bring back my father-in-law gave me (I have the papers too).

--wally

61chalk
May 31, 2009, 07:06 PM
Somebody tell the guy on the bottom picture, far left to watch where your pointing that muzzle!!!

Dr.Rob
May 31, 2009, 10:01 PM
The rifles I've seen were all very well cared for, one even had a brass 'dedication plate' in the stock. Think the only reason they weren't fired regularly is 7.62x54 Russian wasn't exactly common here in the states until fairly recently.

CH47gunner
June 1, 2009, 12:10 AM
During the Cambodia Incursion 5/1970 thru 7/1970, we hauled thousands of cases of not only Mosin's but SKS's also. And this was a drop in the bucket when compared to all captured stuff.
The theft of legal bring home weapons was so wide spread that we had to start dropping sling-loads of weapons inside of fenced off areas, so it could be inventoried & destroyed. Real shame that.
We all got a brand new Russian SKS's, still paper wrapped, cosmoline covered, & with a wooden plug in the barrel.

Bruce

Eightball
June 1, 2009, 01:29 AM
Somebody tell the guy on the bottom picture, far left to watch where your pointing that muzzle!!!My thoughts exactly.

Wyld_Cat
June 1, 2009, 10:00 AM
Eeeps... kid in a candy store with that lot.

chuckusaret
June 1, 2009, 10:13 AM
I brought war souvenirs home from Vietnam when I returned to the states in 1962, 66 and early 68 as did many others. SKS's and AK's were the favorites.

61chalk
June 1, 2009, 07:51 PM
Wonder how many were brought back, or smuggled back...you wouldn't be able to bring back fully auto through channels could you?

pkoch62
June 1, 2009, 08:03 PM
Not after 1968 you couldn't, but there were quite a few GI bringback AKs that were registered in the '68 amnesty. It's obviously difficult to get accurate info about unregistered NFA stuff, but I suspect there's a whole bunch moldering away in attics and basements that were smuggled in and never registered.

chuckusaret
June 1, 2009, 09:45 PM
Wonder how many were brought back, or smuggled back...you wouldn't be able to bring back fully auto through channels could you?
I carried the AK47 home at sling arms wrapped in a Stars And Strips Newspaper
My AK47 was taken by me from a NVA soldier that was wearing a better, newer, cleaner uniform than me with exception of the two loads of 000 buck in his COM. Yes, it was a full auto. This weapon along with many other weapons was lost during hurricane Katrina.

61chalk
June 2, 2009, 06:11 PM
chuckasaret...wow, now thats a story, sorry that you lost them. Wish my brother had brought some stuff back with him, but he came back alive, so that was good enough. I read somewhere that someone thought there was probably only about 250 real full auto AK's in civilian hands in the U.S.
I don't think now, thats the case at all, would have to say its alot higher....by the way my brother liked the shotguns in Nam......should I say good shooting...

Auburn1992
June 2, 2009, 06:20 PM
chuckusaret, how did you like the shotgun?

I always felt that they wouldn't be as affective as an M16, was this the case.

Too bad you lost that AK, would have been neat.

Iansstud
June 2, 2009, 06:50 PM
I used to work with a Nam Vet that carryed An AK on the jet home... out of the airport past the MP's on to the taxi and nobody said a word....

and his was also Full Auto... from an NVA

pkoch62
June 2, 2009, 07:08 PM
I read somewhere that someone thought there was probably only about 250 real full auto AK's in civilian hands in the U.S.
I think that was ~250 milled-receiver AK-47 types, there are many more stamped-receiver AKM types that were imported as semi-auto only from China and Egypt and converted and registered in the US before '86.

61chalk
June 2, 2009, 08:45 PM
Auborn1992....I know my brother got the chance to carry the shotgun for a short while..short version is he always an still hates the M16....he said once that he'd rather put 12 holes in a "guy" instead of just one little one...or something like that. I know he killed with M16, not sure about the shotgun, I didn't ask. Its just one of those things you hear, an just listen too when he decides to talk about things..

lionking
June 3, 2009, 12:41 AM
wow hearing your stories is great.Such a different mindset back then compared to today's military rules,it is my understanding that trying to bring back any type of weapon in the military today will land you in deep s***.Current military folk can confirm this or not maybe?

To hear you guys were allowed to bring back SKS and even AK's back in the day is boggling.

Hoppy590
June 3, 2009, 01:59 AM
awesome pics, thank you for sharing them
the red 44's were a primary arm for the VC back then. more SKS's and M44's/T53's were in country than AK's for a while.

added: do you mind if i share these pics on some mosin forums?

106rr
June 3, 2009, 04:11 AM
No pics available but I served in I Corps with the 196th light Infantry. We captured a lot of absolete rifles including SMLEs, Moisins, Arisakas, and many of the French bolt action 7.5x55 with the two piece stock. In most cases souvenir rifles were confiscated by higher ranks for resale.

rangerruck
June 3, 2009, 04:42 AM
looks like one of the nice ones has a laminate stock, and one of the dudes there... not sure.... looks a lot like Art Garfunkel?

eye5600
June 3, 2009, 03:26 PM
I was a read echelon type who left VN in 1970. I was just one of the guys with a dufflebag getting on a commercial charter. As best I recall, the searches for pot and illegal currency were sufficiently intimidating that it would have seemed silly to risk taking a gun. I was much more interested in getting myself home than taking an illegal souvenir.

lionking
June 3, 2009, 10:43 PM
hoppy share away they are public photos available by search on google images anyway.Which btw go to google images for LIFE archives,post a search topic relating to anything like "rifle" "Vietnam" "Korea" "WW2" "military" "patrol" "rebel" "revolution" or whatever and you'll come up with some great photos.

Speaking of the MAS French rifle,LIFE has alot of pics in Vietnam showing them in use along with Garands and specially M1 and M2 carbines.There were alot of different rifles used there besides the M16 and AK47 from what I see in photos.I even found a pic of a South Vietnamese patrol with M1917 Enfields and Arisaka rifles.

U.S.SFC_RET
June 3, 2009, 11:20 PM
wow hearing your stories is great.Such a different mindset back then compared to today's military rules,it is my understanding that trying to bring back any type of weapon in the military today will land you in deep s***.Current military folk can confirm this or not maybe?

Confirmed: There are no bringbacks. If you are caught trying to bring back an unauthorized weapon out of theater you are toast. However there are some weapons brought back as museum pieces and wall mounts for commands.
Two soldiers got into more trouble then they ever wanted to get out of when they cut the bottoms out of oxygen tanks smuggling AKMs back into the U.S.

There are more than a few of those types of stories.

benzy2
June 3, 2009, 11:48 PM
I have heard a few came back a few clever ways. Heard of a guy working in the armory who would place a few complete rifles into the bluing vats which would remove all traces of gun powder. These clean rifles would pass by dog inspection without setting off their nose. I'm far too young to have been there and not close enough with the guys telling the stories to know if any of these are still in possession but I could see how over a couple years quite a few made it back.

Dan Crocker
June 4, 2009, 01:42 AM
Such a different mindset back then compared to today's military rules,it is my understanding that trying to bring back any type of weapon in the military today will land you in deep s***.
You can bring back guns that are pre-1898 manufacture, which makes me laugh, really, because the gun makers of the Khyber and Peshawar have all kinds of repro Martini-Henrys for sale that wind up as 'authentic antiques' at US bases. I even saw an M1917 repro marked '1896.' It's a joke. The process involves having the MPs sign off on the gun, then getting a letter from JAG, then mailing it home certified. Anything modern though...it's not allowed.

Cmdr. Gravez0r
June 4, 2009, 02:15 AM
Best bringback story I've heard is of a mechanic finding two AK's, all wrapped up and everything, hidden in the fuel tank of an Abrams. Some good ole boy had tried to smuggle them back but hadn't gotten to 'em in time.

Gaiudo
June 4, 2009, 02:24 AM
What's the reason behind the whole disallowing of bring-backs? What caused the change in policy? Doesn't seem to be any harm in it.

???

jackdanson
June 4, 2009, 02:33 AM
Confirmed: There are no bringbacks.

Does this include magazines? I've seen a few "gold mags" from Iraq floating around. (and yes, they really were from iraq....)

evan price
June 4, 2009, 04:14 AM
I've heard three reasons:

1. They don't want to bother with trying to see if it is legal or not (FA or not for example). Easier to say no.

2. Souvenir hunting was to be discouraged because certain types rig booby traps and that leads to casualties.

3. We don't want to appear like the marauding pillaging hordes trying to grab souvenirs. Cops, not conquerers.

Mr. Bojangles
June 4, 2009, 06:03 AM
I wonder what happened to all those mosins in the pictures. I realize a few were probably brought back.:evil: Were the rest destroyed? Or is it anyone' guess what happened to them.?

chuckusaret
June 4, 2009, 09:32 AM
chuckusaret, how did you like the shotgun?

Great for dense jungle fighting, but the buckshot got to be quite heavy. I had a Remington 12 gauge pump that had seen its day but never failed to fire.

I wonder what happened to all those mosins in the pictures. I realize a few were probably brought back. Were the rest destroyed? Or is it anyone' guess what happened to them.?

Most of the large caches, where I was on my last assignment were turned over to the combat engineers, they destroyed them. The weapons that we managed to keep were taken to Da Nang and swapped off to the REMf’s for fans, booze or what ever we didn’t have up north. I was in Hue Phu Bia in the 70’s and had conex’s full of weapons. Our collection included M2 Carbines, Thompsons, water cooled 30 cal MG that were mostly left by the French when they pulled out in the late 50’s. The firearms act of 1968 did not allow us to bring any type firearm back as a war trophy.

AirForceShooter
June 4, 2009, 09:39 AM
Brought a Mosin back in '68.
Still have it.

AFS

bill larry
June 4, 2009, 12:35 PM
My dad was in the 150th CHFM attached to the 502nd Outlaws in Vinh Long. He was a B model Huey crew chief and door gunner. These pics are from 1964 and 1965. Notice in addition to the Mosins all the captured M1 Garands and carbines. I also see Swedish K's, etc. The last pic is for giggles. Please do not reproduce these anywhere. Thanks!

Beagle-zebub
June 4, 2009, 04:06 PM
bill larry, great pics! In the second pic, what are those two MGs on the right end of that row of MGs in the pic? They look like FN MAG-58s with BAR flash suppressors--***? It looks like there are real BARs to the left of them.

yokel
June 5, 2009, 08:24 AM
Such a different mindset back then compared to today's military rules,it is my understanding that trying to bring back any type of weapon in the military today will land you in deep s***.

We must note the cruel irony. How often do we hear the claim that American troops “defend our liberties” or “support and defend the Constitution.”

As our Founding Fathers understood so well, the primary threat to our liberty lies with our own government rather than Vietnam or Iraq.

Rockwell1
June 5, 2009, 08:36 AM
Best bringback story I've heard is of a mechanic finding two AK's, all wrapped up and everything, hidden in the fuel tank of an Abrams. Some good ole boy had tried to smuggle them back but hadn't gotten to 'em in time.

Given there's no way to get a fully assembled AK (or even a dissasembled one FTM) into the fuel tank of an M-1 tank that doesn't involve cutting a hole in the fuel tank wall. I'm going to speculate that your "bring back story" is just that, a story.

John-Melb
June 5, 2009, 08:55 AM
Beagle-zebub, I think they're Brens.

bob kk
June 5, 2009, 09:18 PM
Shot a full auto AK. That was a few years ago. Fighter pilot
brought it back from Korea. Didn't ask how he got it on the carrier.
When I was in Germany. after you got your orders to come home.
We could go to Frankfurt and buy a 45 with paper work to bring it
back with us. As to inspection What was carrier aboard ship. I
was one of the inspectors and didn't look to close to see what
they were bringing back.

Ignition Override
June 6, 2009, 02:25 AM
Sometime recently a few C-17 crewmembers were convicted of bringing some AKs from Iraq and might be locked up in the Leavenworth military prison for a while.
A guy I worked with might have a buddy in their former active or reserve squadron (Charleston AFB?).
Assuming that this story is accurate, they will probably never be allowed to legally own a gun when they are released, if they are considered felons as civilians.

As an admittedly strange comparison, let's consider that you can be locked up for five years simply for injuring a Florida alligator, from what I read last night, and fined a few thousand US rubles. You can be charged with a crime for putting one in your car etc. This really surprised me.
A veteran whose AR malfunctioned and went full-auto (though borrowed by somebody else and used at a range) is now in prison in Minnesota for a few years.

Deadman
June 6, 2009, 10:45 AM
I recall watching documentary footage recently of Vietnamese using Mosin Nagants as anti-aircraft weapons.

Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow
June 6, 2009, 11:32 AM
Nice pics..... and pretty much ALL guys looked like Art Garfunkel back then. :neener:

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