What should my hunting rifle be?


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MacTech
June 1, 2009, 12:06 AM
I've been taking stock of my firearms collection, and it appears I am weak in one category, the hunting rifle, I have a good selection of the other "primary" firearms that any sport shooter/outdoorsman should have with the exception of the hunting rifle

I have:
Handguns; a 1911 in .45 ACP, a 9mm, a .22LR Semiauto, and Dad's .22 revolver, should I need it
Rifles; a semiauto .22LR carbine, a single-shot .22LR/L/S, both scoped with 3-9x 40mm scopes, Dad's .22 Short, .22LR single-shot, Winchester '94 in 44-40
Shotguns; 12-gauge pump, 12-gauge side-by-side, Dad's 12-gauge single shot and .410 single shot

Here's the question, is the Winnie '94 in 44-40 (which I understand is a handgun cartridge) capable enough as a hunting rifle, most of my shots would be short to medium range, but I'd also like a long distance hunting rifle

I did have a Mosin M-44, but was not happy with it's accuracy, so it was traded off, ammo for it is expensive and hard to find in my area, yes I know I could buy bulk online, but the Mosin and I never really got along

What would be a reccomended hunting rifle, something in a common, inexpensive caliber that can be easily reloadable, I was thinking something in the 30-30/30-06/.308 range, possibly a bolt action, used is not a problem, reliability, accuracy, and affordability are key here....

Ideally, I'd like to get out of this spending as little as possible, if the 44-40 would work as a hunting rifle, that would be ideal, all I'd need is some spare brass, bullets, and primers, and a set of dies, far cheaper than purchasing a new rifle

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jpwilly
June 1, 2009, 12:15 AM
44 WCF or 44-40 is generally considered good enough for 100yrd work on deer. I think it originally shot a 217gr around 1100-1200fps. But if you need an excuse to get another rifle a Marlin 30-30 or bolt action in 30-06 could just as easily be in your future.

juk
June 1, 2009, 12:25 AM
The 30-30 will be fine for deer sized game out to 250-300yards
the 308 will open up many bolt guns. It is a widely used caliber, so components are cheap and there is good factory ammo available.
30-06 is pretty much the same as the 308, but it is in a longer case, adds a few hundred fps, and can take the bigger 30 cal pills.

30-30 Good for deer and smaller
308 great for deer, hogs, target...etc
30-06 Good for anything in North America

Savage makes a durable and accurate gun. Arguably the most consistently accurate rifles out there. Remington 700 series guns are also very popular. I would suggest browsing and handling many different rifles. Most will be accurate enough if they are in good condition. Pay attention to the weight of the rifle, the trigger, and the way the stock fits to you. Buy the one that is comfortable for you. Like I said, most will be 2.5moa or better. Some modern 308s and 30-06s are seeing 1MOA or less out of the box with a good shooter.

Savage, Ruger M77, Remington 700, Howa, Tikka, Browning, CZ550, ....There are so many good rifles out there.

.38 Special
June 1, 2009, 12:59 AM
It's actually kind of hard to go seriously wrong with an "entry level" hunting rifle. I always recommend a fellow head down to the local gun shop (or Wal-Mart or Big 5 or whatever) and handle a bunch of them. The one that grabs you will almost certainly be fine, especially if in a standard caliber like .270/.308/.30-06 etc.

You'll hear a lot of snobbery about how Brand A is a lot worse than Brand B, and even some foolishness about how you have to spend $3000 on the latest whiz-bang Magnum in a "name" custom gun. That can all be safely ignored.

HTH!

P.B.Walsh
June 1, 2009, 01:11 AM
A Remington or Savage in .308 or .30-06 should do just fine.

surjimmy
June 1, 2009, 01:22 AM
Tikka T3 under $500 out the door, made by Sako. Using cheap(well they were anyway) Winchester Power Points I can put 3 rounds inside a penny @ 100 yards.

Coyote_Hunter_
June 1, 2009, 02:18 AM
MacTech –

The .44-40 is OK for short range work for deer but it wouldn’t make my list if ranges over 100 yards were a possibility. A .30-30 will stretch the limit out to about 150-200 yards, depending on the game size and the ammo.

If you want to spend “as little as possible”, there are several reasonable options including single shot rifles for about $225-$250, inexpensive bolt guns in the $250-$350 range, and used rifles (my favorite).

You don’t mention what you want to hunt, but a .308 Win is adequate for anything in the lower 48. Inexpensive ammo is (or was until last election) readily available and it is easily reloaded. Same is true for the .30-06. Those would be my first two choices for a non-handloader.

Art Eatman
June 1, 2009, 11:19 AM
Playing the probability odds on what you're likely to do over the long haul: I used to do the gunshow table thing, and commonly played with the trade-in rifles. "Good-used but not abused" is a helluva good way to have a nice rifle at a relatively low cost.

As said above, the .308 will work for any hunting in the lower 48. I'd go for a light sporter bolt-action and a fixed 4X scope. Sure, a 3x9 is neat, but for deer SHOOTING, all mine have 99% of the time been down on 3X. I check Bambi's antlers with field glasses.

And to fill out your battery as listed in the OP, I'd suggest a bolt-action light sporter in .223. I have a 3x9x40 on mine, and it works just fine for coyotes and for prairie dogs to 300 yards.

Water-Man
June 1, 2009, 11:25 AM
TIKKA T3 in 6.5x55 Swede

Robert
June 1, 2009, 11:28 AM
Bolt action of your choice in 30-06... or 35 Whelen if you can find one.

J99
June 1, 2009, 11:32 AM
any of the popular riffles in a full power cartridge will do fine

I have been highly impressed with my Lee Enfield in .303 all of my New England Firearms break action single shot riffles have been very good too

jbkebert
June 1, 2009, 11:38 AM
I have to place my vote for a Savage 110 bolt rifle in .270. They are not high dollar, they are not pretty, they are not pickey about ammo. They do however work superb. I have owned some high dollar custom rifles in exotice woods and fancy this and fancy that. None of them have been as reliable as my $400 dollar wal-mart special it has become my go to gun.

Uncle Mike
June 1, 2009, 12:16 PM
+1 jpkebert-

The Savage 110 or the 111-
Inexpensive, extremely accurate right out of the box, no need for aftermarket upgrades, just unbox it, scope it and shoot it.... bag game with it.
30-06, .270, 7mm08, .308, .260(custom shop only).

You will be pleased with your new Savage.

TnBigBore
June 1, 2009, 07:58 PM
If you handload and the rifle is actually a Winchester 1892 (I assume you mean instead of an 1894) you have a fine hunting arm. The 44-40 can be loaded to near the level of a 44 Mag in an 1892 in good condition. It will smack anything within 100 yds with authority. I have used an 1892 in 38-40 for deer with excellent results.

If you are looking for something with longer range capabilities any of the suggested rifles, cartridges would be fine.

MacTech
June 4, 2009, 07:12 PM
I've been contemplating my options for a decent hunting rifle, and I'm still no closer to a decision, 30-30, 30-06, or .308....

30-30: lightest recoil of the bunch, good for deer-sized game, but limited to 200 yards or less, up here in New England, that's not really an issue though
30-06: the powerhouse of the bunch, capable of taking any North American animal, versatile reloading capabilities, from light practice loads to moose-slaying thumpers, powerful recoil (but if I can handle a Mosin-Nagant, it shouldn't be too bad)
.308: inbetween the '06 and '30 in terms of power, common ammo currently used by the U.S. military, expensive to purchase used gun though

in terms of used affordability, least to most expensive, it goes 30-30, 30-06, .308

I talked to my father, who used to hunt deer, and he reccomends the 30-30 for this area, in fact, he wishes he bought a 30-30 instead of his 44-40

the largest animal I would hunt would be a whitetail deer, the largest animal in the New England region is the Magestic Mse** (Mse Bites kan be pretti nasti!) but they're uncommon in my area

as far as purchasing the hunting rifle goes, I'm seriously considering trading in my CZ-75B for store credit towards a hunting rifle, I already have a 1911 (Kimber Custom II) that I love, and I reload for .45, so it's dirt cheap to shoot, all I do is punch paper (and produce, occasionally), the 9mm actually costs me more to shoot than the .45, as I don't reload for 9mm

I already have most everything else I need, firearm-wise, I'm just short a decent hunting rifle

My collection consists of;
Handguns: Ruger Mark II Target, Kimber Custom II .45, CZ-75B
Rifles: Ruger 10/22, NEF .22 Single Shot
Shotguns: Mossberg 500, Parker VH SxS
I need a decent hunting rifle to complete the collection of *users*

Since I haven't shot the CZ since I got the .45, all it's doing is gathering dust, the *only* advantage it has over the .45 is the higher magazine capacity, and if I want a high-capacity pistol (more than eight rounds), there are options in the .45 range (10+1 round mags for the 1911, or get a Glock 21SF, Springfield XD45, CZ-97B......) the slim single-stack mag design fits me better anyway (wide palms and stubby fingers) the trigger of the CZ-75B is just a hair too far forward in DA mode, it sits right at my first finger joint




**A Mse once bit my sister...

Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow
June 4, 2009, 07:14 PM
If you're gonna get a full powered turnbolt, I've recently become a HUGE fan of the T/C Icon rifles - do some research and you'll see that they're incredible values for what you get. Ditto on the T/C Venture (Icon with black plastic stock and niiiiiice price). Of course, there's a lot of value in Savage, CZ 550, Howa/Vanguard, Tikka, and others as well, but I think T/C has taken the cake here (in a push-feed anyhow).

http://www.tcarms.com/firearms/icon.php

MacTech
June 5, 2009, 01:12 AM
Well, I went to KTP, with my CZ-75B and 9mm ammo packed up and ready for trade, I looked at a bunch of used rifles, bolts, levers, semis, none of them felt right, I was getting dissapointed

On a whim, I went over to the new rifle section, looked at some Marlins, Remingtons, couldn't find Thompson Center though, none of them felt right either, then I passed the Savages, picked up a 111 package in 30-06, worked the bolt, nice and smooth, shouldered it, it nestled in comfortably, good balance, pointability and heft, in short, it felt *right*

So, I went back to the trade counter, got pretty much what I paid for the CZ-75B back (paid $390 used, got $350 in store credit), and with the traded in ammo and a couple spare Glock G21 10 round mags I had laying around, had enough to cover the full price of the Savage 111

Yes, the Simmons scope is cheesy, but it'll be fine for punchin' paper and basic hunting until I get sick of it and put a better scope on it, besides, if the 111 is as accurate as I've been reading, I'll gladly put a really nice scope on it, all I'll need now is a good set of sandbags/rest/bipod or something like that for some 100-200 yard target shooting at the range

A couple of questions about the 100 series rifles though....
Is it safe to dry-fire them, it says nothing in the manual, and I don't see a firing-pin stop on the parts breakdown list
Since barrels can be swapped out, if I wanted to get, lets say, a 30-30 or .308 barrel for it, would I have to get a different bolt?, and does the magwell accept other caliber mags?
Are there extended capacity mags available (more than 4+1), I understand that hunting rifles are limited to 5 rounds, but if I wanted to set up for long-range target shooting, can I get 10/15/20 round mags?

Yes, I'll miss the CZ-75B, it was a great gun, but I never really shot it after I got my .45, and singlestack mags fit me better than doublestack

I think I made a good choice, the 111 feels really nice, and moving from a 9mm to a 30-06 cartridge is a *BIG* step up in more ways than one

it's funny, but when I was getting my 75B appraised for trade-in value, there was another customer salivating over the 9mm ammo I was trading in as well, he bought it all up as soon as I traded the 75B in....

.38 Special
June 5, 2009, 01:37 AM
You've got a fine gun. Congrats.

I've had pretty good luck with Simmons. Not exactly a Swarovski, but mine have reliably pointed several different guns for me. Yours will probably do the same.

Dry firing the gun will do no harm.

You won't need to change the bolt as long as you select cartridges from the same family of case heads. With the .30-06, this is a pretty big category.

Magazine boxes used to be available from Savage directly. I assume this is still the case, but have not looked into it in many years.

I have never seen extended magazines. I have read some folks claiming that magazines from certain semi-autos can be modified to fit certain Savage bolt guns, but do not have details.

Have fun!

MacTech
June 5, 2009, 02:09 AM
As I was walking out of the gun floor with my new toy, the gun floor manager took one look at my new Savage rifle and said "Ahh, you finally traded, that's a *NICE* rifle, good choice!"

Since I'm a form-follows-function kinda' guy, the plastic, ahem, "Polymer" stock doesn't bother me, no it's not as nice looking as a fancy wood stock made from rare Dodo-Fat-Rubbed-Nigerian Walking Tree of Upper Tanganyika wood, or Amber-Stabilized-Ent-Wood With A +30 THAC0 ;), but those woods (or their *real* equivalents) or other fancy stock materials really don't add any accuracy, they're there to make the gun look nicer

as long as the rifle places lead *precisely* on target, I'm happy, appearances are irrelavent, functionality is paramount

benzy2
June 5, 2009, 02:25 AM
You should be fine to dry fire but I always bought snap caps just for peace of mind. Probably wouldn't ever make a difference but it eases me so I buy them if I plan on dry firing. I think you made a good choice with the .30-06. The .30-30 in a lever gun would have been a tough second for me but if they don't feel right they don't feel right.

The barrel swap is easy. Remove the barrel nut, unscrew the barrel, screw in the new one, headspace it with a go gage and tighten the barrel nut. The .308 and .30-06 use the same bolt head so you are set there. The problem you may run into is that the 110 is a long action while the .308 is used in their short action 10 model. I'm not sure how it will feed from a long action magazine. Once out of the magazine though you are good to go. The .30-30 is a rimmed cartridge and as far as I have seen has not been used in a Savage or most other bolt rifles. The single shot rifles use it as well as the lever rifles but very few if any bolt rifles use the .30-30. 7.62x39 has basically the same ballistics and if you were looking for a .30-30 power range chambering the 7.62x39 would work and I think a few barrel makers have that as an option in the Savage line.

Good luck with the Simmons scope. I found mine all shifted point of impact with a change in magnification. I would zero in at the magnification you plan to hunt with and leave it there. I didn't have much of an issue outside of that but I thought I would toss it out there.

Those stocks are cheap but when you see how it shoots it tends to not matter much. I would try to pick up a tin of surplus .30-06 while you can. For range use it certainly lets you shoot a bit longer than factory hunting loads will. You mentioned reloading for .45acp. I don't know your setup but if you can get into .30-06 prices drop drastically, especially for range blasting ammo. Using surplus bullets things turn dirt cheap.

surjimmy
June 5, 2009, 02:32 AM
Nothing wrong with what you got. I have been told, but don't know for a fact that alot of your custom rifle builders use Savage barrels. Anyway good buy and happy hunting.

MacTech
June 6, 2009, 07:04 PM
Well, I'm back with a range report from the Savage 111, good and bad

Good; the gun functions reliably, feeds, fires, and ejects just fine, and has a very *manly* recoil when shot from a bench, when held freehand, the recoil drops a good deal, and boy is this gun *LOUD!*

I'd say it's louder and harder kicking than the Mosin-Nagant M44 I previously owned

Bad; the supplied Simmons Blazer scope *SUCKS!*, it has pincushion distortion, and more importantly, it doesn't hold zero, I had the gun boresighted at KTP when I bought it, and whoever boresighted it did such a crappy job that it wasn't even on the paper at 100 yards (stuck a magnetic boresight gauge on the barrel and dialed in the scope) I had to boresight it the old-fashioned way, by pulling the bolt, and sighting the target through the barrel, and adjusting the scope to bring it close, problem is, even with the rifle braced properly and the target dead centered in the barrel, the scope would not hold a zero, i'd adjust it to get on the paper, drop my head back down to the bore to verify the target was centered, and when I brought my head back up to the scope the target was off center, it seemed to move randomly, and would not hold any settings

So, I went back to KTP to have it *properly* boresighted by their scope guy (using a boresight that actually has a rod that goes down the barrel), it was *way* off, while I was there, I looked at some used scopes, and ended up trading the crappy Simmons towards a used Bushnell Trophy 3-9X and getting it boresighted

I'm going to take another trip to the range tomorrow, and try again with this freshly-boresighted Bushnell Trophy, I've had good luck with Bushies, good, basic, reliable, *ACCURATE* scopes that actually hold zero, they may not be as fancy as those high-end Leupold and Nikon scopes, but they do their job and don't have a wandering zero problem

Things to add to the Savage...
a better recoil pad, the recoil isn't painful, but it is a strong, quick, insistent shove
a bipod, so I don't have to use wood brackets and sandbags
maybe find some way to add weight to the stock to absorb some recoil

I can see this gun has a lot of potential, yes it was a dissapointing first time out, but I'm dealing with an unfamiliar firearm that had a tempermental scope with a bad boresighting on it, this trip was a simple function test, and the gun functions 100%

Just to make myself feel better about my craptacular target shooting with the Savage, I then set up my Ruger 10/22 on the same target rest, and after a couple of calibrating shots (the Ruger's sighted in for 50 yards) tried my hand at 100 yard shots with it, I did much better, grouping approx 3/4" at 100 yards, i just held the bottom part of the lower crosshair (where it thins to the hair) on target and was able to pepper the target paper with truly tiny groups (truly tiny for me, that is)

Random Discharge
June 7, 2009, 11:14 AM
Sounds like you're set up for a successful follow-up range session. I've not heard of many problems with the Bushnell Trophy series. I use them on all my scoped handguns with no issues.

It won't help with recoil hugely, but a "walnut stained" wood factory stock will add some weight to the rifle, and so help some. Check out www.savagerepairs.com. About half the cost of ordering from Savage. And there are always Remington managed recoil loads, which are more than adequate for deer out to 200 yards.

I picked one up for my short action stainless Savage. Exterior finish is decent. The interior finish, which of course doesn't show, was spotty and left a bit rough. I took a few minutes to smooth out the really rough parts, then stain and poly on interior areas that didn't get a lot of finish to seal out moisture. Fitted up, the barrel was generusly floated with no additional work needed. Added $3 Uncle Mike's swevel studs and ready to go. Almost.

My rifle was a factory synthetic stock. The action screw closest to the muzzle is shorter on a synthetic Savage stock, so I ordered a set of screws from Savage ($10), which still didn't fit because they were the same length as the synthetic stock screws. So I cut the new longer screw that holds the action at the trigger guard to size. Do it carefully - too long, it tightens into your bolt lug. Too short, well, you've only got ~4 threads to engage in the action, and you do want the action to stay on the stock when fired.

Enjoy your new rifle!

MacTech
June 7, 2009, 10:35 PM
After reading a bunch of .308 Vs. 30-06 threads here and elsewhere, I'm beginning to wonder if I should have gone with the .308 instead....

ammo is (currently) more available in my area (I'm assuming Winchester 7.62 is the same stuff as .308), and after witnessing the raw power of the 30-06 on even *light* loads (Winchester 125 grain and Federal Fusion 170 grain reduced recoil) it seems like it'd be slightly overkill for deer, it's massive overkill for punchin' paper....

I know the '06 can be downloaded for lighter plinking loads and varmint loads, and in fact, it's one of the most versatile cartridges that way, from 55 grain sabots to 220 grain thumpers, and yes, I *DO* plan to reload for 30-06, but still, the .308 seems to be better suited to deer hunting in coastal New England

...then again, the '06 could be used to hunt the big animals here in New England, moose and bear

basically my dilemma is this, the '06 with factory loads (so far, I've tried Win 125 grainers and Fed reduced recoil 170 grainers) seems to be a brutally powerful weapon, I've never actually killed anything with it, but it seems like it'd be overkill for deer or coydogs, and coydogs would be the most probable thing I'd be shooting with it, aside from long range target shooting

Then again I'm not looking to build a collection of hunting rifles, just looking for one rifle to do it all, hunting-wise, and the versatility of the '06 is a point in it's favor

Bill B.
June 7, 2009, 11:13 PM
A Remington or Savage in .308 or .30-06 should do just fine.

.........................+1

BK
June 7, 2009, 11:33 PM
Non-intimidating.

natman
June 8, 2009, 04:57 AM
Get a Marlin XL7 in 270 or 30-06. The Marlin is an amazing gun for the price. Top it off with a Leupold VX2 in 2x7 or 3x9 and you will have a rig ready to hunt almost any big game.

MacTech
June 8, 2009, 04:36 PM
I know I'll love my Savage 30-06, but right now I'm frustrated with it, part of it is my fault, I assumed that once the gun was boresighted, it was dead on, in this gun's case, that's not true, with the boresight dead on at 25 yards, the gun hits about 3" low and 3" to the right at 50 yards (my range's shortest rifle distance is a 50 yard shot), I was under the impression that a boresighted gun would be dead on

I also made the mistake that a gun boresighted to 100 yards would shoot true at 100 yards, so I spent the first box-and-a-half of ammo trying to get on paper with a boresighted gun at 100 yards, thankfully, a couple of the guys at the rod and gun club helped me get on the paper at 50 yards, turns out I should have been starting out closer, but all the threads about the (supposed) inherent accuracy of Savage rifles out of the box got me thinking that it'd be reasonably close to dead-on right out of the box

so far, I've spent $40 in ammo and i'm just barely on the paper at 50 yards, now that I'm on the paper, it should be easy to dial it in, it's just frustrating to *waste* 40 rounds, but most of that wasting was my fault for making incorrect assumptions, that a boresighted gun would be dead-on at 100 yards right out of the box, and that initial tweaking could be done at 100 yards.....

strange thing is, when we were sighting the rifle in at 50, it would shoot dead on at a clump of grass to the left of the target stand, twice, but move the rifle two feet in to the target itself and it was nowhere near the target

I'm just going to start over from scratch at 50, I tightened the scope mount and all hardware down again, cleaned the bore, and have it boresighted with my laser boresighter, I'll just start over, zero it at 50, then move to 100 yards....

I just hope nothing's wrong with the gun, I'm sure it's a problem with the loose nut behind the stock... ;)

<Edit> that was simple....
Took the gun back to KTP, and had their gunsmith give it a once-over, turns out the scope was off centered, *AND* the scope mount screws weren't torqued down properly, he said that that was probably the cause of the wandering and inaccuracy, the scope mounts were just loose enough to permit the zero to change with every shot, I'll betcha that was probably the problem for the Simmons Blazer's wandering zero as well, still, the Blazer had that whole pincushioning problem as well, so I would have replaced it anyway

I'll find out how the gun does next weekend at the range

Reid73
June 8, 2009, 07:06 PM
I was under the impression that a boresighted gun would be dead onNot sure who told you that, but they are wrong. A boresighter should put you on the paper, thus saving time and money (wasted ammunition), but it is not a substitute for proper sighting-in.

all the threads about the (supposed) inherent accuracy of Savage rifles out of the box got me thinking that it'd be reasonably close to dead-on right out of the boxWhile I am not a big Savage fan, your experience is not necessarily a condemnation of the rifle. Remember that it is only one part of a system, and that the scope and mounts are equally important (as your edit suggests that you now appreciate).

all I'll need now is a good set of sandbags/rest/bipod or something like that for some 100-200 yard target shooting at the rangeYou will need this sort of thing for sighting-in, but not for target shooting. Do yourself a favour and ditch the supports as soon as possible.

627PCFan
June 8, 2009, 09:11 PM
Water-Man is the smartest guy on the board today-:D

T.R.
June 9, 2009, 10:13 AM
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c146/rushmoreman/Stevens30-30.jpg

This a Stevens model 325 rifle in 30-30. Savage model 340 is very similar but bolt handle and trigger guard are less elegant. You can easily find either rifle at Gunbroker.com and a lightly used one typically sells for about $225. Accurasy is quite good. The handloader can safely use pointed spitzer bullets to flatten trajectory.

30-30 ammo price increased in past year but not as drastically as many other rifle cartridges. It is still affordable and made better than ever due to updated machinery and technologies.

I won't bore you with 30-30 history or its predictable good performance on deer sized animals at reasonable distances. But this photo shows my daughter with a huge muley that was close to the 300lb mark. One bullet through the chest organs did the job quickly.

TR

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c146/rushmoreman/Kforkybuck-1.jpg

MacTech
June 13, 2009, 06:21 PM
Just got back from the range with the 111, last weekend, I had the gunsmith at KTP give it a once over, he tightened everything down and re-boresighted it

Once set up on the range with the freshly re-sighted-in rifle, my first three shots were 5" left and 1" down from dead center, next group of three I brought up the height to dead on, and final group of three dead centered

I still have a very faint flinch that I need to overcome, when I can get past the flinch, at 50 yards, the gun will put rounds within 1/2" of each other, and this is with a gun that has only had 50 rounds through it, 40 of those last week trying to sight the thing in with a slightly loose scope mount

next week, I'll sight in for 100 yards and I should be good, this thing is pretty darned accurate for a brand new gun with 50 rounds through it....

The recoil doesn't seem as bad as I remember, so I'm adjusting well to the gun

When did Savage move to a plastic trigger guard on the 100 series? this appears to be a 2007 vintage model (New Old Stock) as it was packed with a 2007 catalog, and the TG appears to be metal....

the only mod I'd like to perform now is to lighten up the trigger pull a bit, get rid of the "Lawyer-trigger", the trigger's not too bad at the moment, but it could stand a little lightening....

CaptainCrossman
June 13, 2009, 06:37 PM
I've been taking stock of my firearms collection, and it appears I am weak in one category, the hunting rifle, I have a good selection of the other "primary" firearms that any sport shooter/outdoorsman should have with the exception of the hunting rifle
Rifles; a semiauto .22LR carbine, a single-shot .22LR/L/S, both scoped with 3-9x 40mm scopes, Dad's .22 Short, .22LR single-shot, Winchester '94 in 44-40
Here's the question, is the Winnie '94 in 44-40 (which I understand is a handgun cartridge) capable enough as a hunting rifle, most of my shots would be short to medium range, but I'd also like a long distance hunting rifle
What would be a reccomended hunting rifle, something in a common, inexpensive caliber that can be easily reloadable, I was thinking something in the 30-30/30-06/.308 range, possibly a bolt action, used is not a problem, reliability, accuracy, and affordability are key here....



ouch...:o

dude, you need a bolt action rifle, badly.

take a trip to Walmart, and peruse their gun catalog, they can order you anything, and they beat anyone's prices. You can't go wrong with a Ruger or Remington- you can bucks up with a Browning, they even sell Weatherbys there- or if you want to low buck it, they sell Savage, Mossberg, Marlin too.

or, take a trip to a gun shop, look in their gun rack, and buy a used Ruger M77, Remington 700, Winchester 70, Mauser 98 custom, etc. For under $500 you'll be good to go.

caliber- can't beat a .308 Winchester- an '06 is usually too much gun IMHO for most people (I don't use one myself, but I have an old T/C single shot w/06 spare scoped barrel- never use it), and a .243 is too little. No special reason to go with a medium bore either, if you need that, use your 44-40

bartsitarski
June 14, 2009, 03:22 PM
I just got a Remington 798 in .308 for $429.99 at Cabellas. I needed a bolt action deer rifle. I absolutely love it. All in all, the package deal with a Nikon ProStaff cost $600.

IanS
June 14, 2009, 07:25 PM
I have a Tikka T3 270 with a 4x 33 Leupold on it. It is a fantastic caliber and rifle. Low recoil. Very accurate and easy to carry all day. A 270 will easily drop anything in North America.

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