? on US made British L-E 303


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Elbert P . Suggins
June 2, 2009, 08:58 AM
I wanted to look at and possibly buy a Lee-Enfield 303 that was produced in the US according to the seller. Does anyone know anything about them and how they should be stamped and also possibly the value? Thanks. I thought I might get a quicker answer here rather than the SMLE 303 site.

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Storm
June 2, 2009, 09:39 AM
It sounds like you are talking about a Savage Enfield No.4 Mk1*. Look for a stamp that says "U.S. Property". You will probably also see a flaming bomb stamp and a large "S" followed by "No4 Mk1. These were Enfields made by Savage here in the US and shipped to England as part of Lend Lease. They are fine rifles. I have one. Note, they are chambered in .303 British and not .303 Savage.

gunnerh
June 2, 2009, 10:02 AM
Storm is dead on about the Savage Enfields. Value depends on the condition of the rilfe but the US marked guns always seem to bring more than the other Enfields.

Elbert P . Suggins
June 2, 2009, 11:02 AM
Thanks for the replies fellers. Also, do these Savages have the stubby muzzles or the extended barrels? And what do I look far as far as condition other than bore when I view it later on today? With shortage of 303 and the price in the clouds would I even get to shoot it?

A square 10
June 2, 2009, 04:44 PM
just a little additional info reguarding markings to add to the great info provided above ,


the very early savages [1941-2] were marked as mkI , these would have a small button at the right/rear of the bolt , it is depressed to allow bolt removal , these are the rare ones of the savage as there werent many made before the transition [1942] to mkI* which eliminated this button , bolt removal was changed to a slot in the bolt guide which allows it to be rotated for removal ,

2 groove bbls are most common but 5 & 6 groove bbls are also found ,

savage serial numbers started with the prefix 0C + 4digits in 1941 and only a few thousand were made , in 1942 the prefix went from 0C to 40C , in 1943 40C to 81C undated and to 90C , and in 1944 90C to 99C then 0C + 5 digits to 0C59674 with production ceaseing mid year

the change from mkI to mkI* occured about sn 13Cxxxx

the 'US PROPERTY' marking was first applied at about sn 4Cxxxx

savage made about 1,236,000 rifles , all went to commonwealth use - none were issued to US troops ,

the top handguards of early rifles were fluted but that was deleted early on as a war expediant , as was the flip peep rear sight as opposed to the earlier ladder style , most of the buttplates were ZAMAK/MAZAK as opposed to brass ,

savage did make and mark with the square "S" the mkII spike bayonet , but they were not necessarily associated with the rifles , victory plastics in the US made a spike scabord [actualy two versions] with an integral web frog ,

good luck on your purchase - i no longer have any of the savage rifles i owned over the years , i do still have my savage spike and victory plastics scabord ,
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DougW
June 2, 2009, 07:30 PM
Savages:

http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p118/MDWINK/IMAG0007.jpg

Just a little bit of additional info, Long Branch in Canada also made #4mk1*'s during WWII. Savage and Long Branch traded parts, so the LB marking on any parts is OK. Also, you are looking for reciever/bolt serial number to be the same (including most mags).

Enjoy!

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