Looking for vintage hunting knickers


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1776J
June 2, 2009, 03:44 PM
I'm looking for the old canvas hunting knickers you used to see in magazines and the old photos from the 1920s-1950s. They're around because I found some last year, but they were to large for me. I'm a size 36" waist.

If anyone has a pair or know of any available let me know. I'd like to pick up several pair.

(Pants more like the fellow in the center in ad...)
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j281/AnthonyJordan_2006/Esquire%20November%201936/004.jpg

http://www.watmor.oilcreekgenealogy.net/content/images/lewisralphyes.jpg

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1776J
June 2, 2009, 03:47 PM
Like these...

http://pics.gunbroker.com/GB/130534000/130534237/pix1236620015.jpg

rondog
June 2, 2009, 03:50 PM
Call MW Reynolds in Englewood, CO, at 303-761-0021. Don't know if they have 'em, but they're a high-end safari outfitter and just might.

1776J
June 2, 2009, 04:14 PM
Yes, I found a slew of the mid weight canvas ones at a WWII living history event late last year but they were all either hugh sizes are really small!

They were dirt cheap too,... so they're out there and most people just throw them away, whereas I and a few friends have been gonig out more and more target shooting vintage firearms in vintage hunting gear.

Looking to go hunting in vintage gear also.... I was just born in the wrong time period!

rondog
June 2, 2009, 04:28 PM
Don't forget the pith helmet!

.333 Nitro Express
June 2, 2009, 05:05 PM
http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/cb.aspx?a=504848&kwtid=294852

I got mine about a month ago and they are s-t-y-l-i-s-h......

BTW, most of the good-quality European hunting knickers you'll find are wool, not canvas.

Tom

1776J
June 2, 2009, 06:05 PM
BTW, most of the good-quality European hunting knickers you'll find are wool, not canvas.


Maybe the Euro ones, but there were various styles and fabric types available during the 20s-40s in America,.... cotton, gabardine, cotton canvas, wool, merino wool, etc.
Made for everything from water fowl to deer hunting to overseas big game hunting.

Besides,... those you had a link to aren't even close to what I'm looking for... lol.

1776J
June 2, 2009, 06:10 PM
Don't forget the pith helmet!

Can't say I'll be needing one here in the states... but they were popular with some people

Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow
June 2, 2009, 09:12 PM
Hard to believe a 1920s-1930s man had a waist size larger than 36" - back then men were smaller, ate less, and worked a lot harder!

JWF III
June 3, 2009, 12:06 AM
Check out this website...

www.barbour.com

Go to the sporting section, they have what you're looking for. They also have the knee high argyle socks to go with them. And don't forget the hat.

Wyman

2RCO
June 3, 2009, 12:14 AM
Hard to believe a 1920s-1930s man had a waist size larger than 36" - back then men were smaller, ate less, and worked a lot harder!

Alot of hunters were wealthy guys who could afford to eat a bit more and work a little less. They were also the guys that bought the higher end hunting gear.

1776J
June 3, 2009, 12:49 PM
Hard to believe a 1920s-1930s man had a waist size larger than 36" - back then men were smaller, ate less, and worked a lot harder!

Yes, people in general were smaller, both men and women, they didn't have all the hormonal chemicals dumped into their beef, poultry, etc. that got passed onto them as time went on and we kept eating like we do now. Regardless, and as strange as I thought it to be, the vintage hunting gear I had run across was sized around the 38-42 waist! Strange?,.. yes,... real?... most certainly.

I have been involved with the historical world for 7 years now, and have worked with both the History Channel and National Geographic on two occasions as well as many of my friends have as historical consultants.
One of our best friends is a lady who has studied and written books on vintage and antique garments from the turn of the century to the 1950s.
Not to mention, if you get a hold of a few old catalogs from the eras of the 20s-the 30s, you get to see all the different things you were able to purchase,... from a hunting outfit or a man's suit, to a tractor and a pre-fabricated house or barn!

I hardly know everything, but in the 10 years of being involved with historical living history, archeological work, and research I'm confident on many levels, but still look forward everyday to learning something new!

I look to the past to know where I'm going in my future!

1776J
June 3, 2009, 12:54 PM
Check out this website...

www.barbour.com

Go to the sporting section, they have what you're looking for. They also have the knee high argyle socks to go with them. And don't forget the hat.

Wyman

Thank you very much for that link.
I'd say they're are very close to what I'm looking for but still of a tad.

I've found that as far as "modern" manufacturers go (as in those still making clothing, etc.) Filson seems to be, to me, one of the best companies still out there, making things almost exactly as they were in the 20s and 30s. Nearly the same fabric, etc.

Sadly, I'm not able to throw down upwards of $200 on a jacket though! :-(

rondog
June 3, 2009, 02:35 PM
Want proof people were smaller? Go crawl into a stock WWII Willys MB military Jeep. Not a lot of room behind the wheel. Same with WWII uniforms and pistol belts. Us modern 'Mericans are definitely larger.

1776J
June 3, 2009, 03:07 PM
Rondog -
Want proof people were smaller? Go crawl into a stock WWII Willys MB military Jeep. Not a lot of room behind the wheel. Same with WWII uniforms and pistol belts. Us modern 'Mericans are definitely larger.

I don't believe anyone here is disputing size differences of people in the 20s and 30s, versus the people of today.

Also, I've personally driven a WWII Willys several times in the past,... and other WWII era military vehicles. I own a '29 Ford Model A, and am quite familiar with the vehicles of the time period. Pretty funny to watch a person's face when they crawl in!

(Our genuine revived pre-WWII Hot Rodding Club from the late 1930s, *run more as a historical group*)
www.hotironclub.com

ArmedBear
June 5, 2009, 12:21 AM
Here you go: https://www.berettausa.com/e2wProductGroupDetailDropDown.aspx?parentid=4100001602&parentLink=2100000084:3100000484:3100001549:4100001602

1776J
June 8, 2009, 09:54 PM
ArmedBear...

thanks but they're more like old 1920s european hiking knickers instead, they sit right below the knee, whereas the old hunting breeches go at least 7-8 inches below the knee and either laced up (the early ones) or has zipers instead of lacing.

What I'm looking for are much different,... thanks though regardless!

Loyalist Dave
June 9, 2009, 08:36 AM
FYI the fellow in the center of your illustration is wearing full gaiters or very high boots, over his trousers.

I have been involved with the historical world for 7 years now, and have worked with both the History Channel and National Geographic on two occasions as well as many of my friends have as historical consultants.

Then surely you and/or your friends know about Jas Townsend & Son, Inc? You could pay premium prices if you wish from a British importer but...,

Jas Townsend & Sons, Inc (www.jastown.com/)

JT Has both fall front and button fly canvas breeches, and they sell patterns you could have them made for you, and a zipper is easily installed in the fly front pattern. I sometimes participate in "Edwardian" shooting events, and it's waaay less expensive to get a good, tight, heavy canvas, or quality wool twill, or tweed, and get them made to your specs..., reenforced seams and the like eh?

LD

farscott
June 9, 2009, 09:00 AM
Filson seems to be, to me, one of the best companies still out there, making things almost exactly as they were in the 20s and 30s. Nearly the same fabric, etc.

Sadly, I'm not able to throw down upwards of $200 on a jacket though! :-(Keep an eye on the various hunting boards. A few years ago, I bought three wool (two in forest green and one in red) Filson Jackets, a pair of L.L. Bean woolen pants, and the Filson "safety orange" cape for less than MSRP on a Filson Cruiser from a listing on one of the hunting discussion forums. All of the stuff was in great shape AND in my size. The red jacket stays in my car year around as an emergency coat; people can see me a mile away when I am wearing it. I hunt in the forest green Cruiser and cape and use the other jacket on weekends during the fall and spring. I have worn the pants often, and not just when hunting.

ArmedBear
June 9, 2009, 10:51 AM
Subscribe to this magazine, and I'm sure you'll find some.

http://gardenandgun.com/

Some of the Virginia hunters still wear that stuff on principle.:D

Contact this club, also (in Pennsylvania):
http://grousehallsxs.com/id4.html

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1776J
June 10, 2009, 08:36 AM
FYI the fellow in the center of your illustration is wearing full gaiters or very high boots, over his trousers.


Those are simply the high topped boots more often seen in those days with a set of hunting breeches of the period. Leather gaiters or even woolen puttees were not as widely seen or worn then. I got a pair of LL Bean 16" tall mountain boots based on their boots they've been making since appx. 1912.

Thank you for the link to the website also,....wonderful info!
I have rarely been involved in the 18th century, as I have always been a student of the 1920s-40s in regards to living history, hence my unfamiliarity with them. Again, thank you!

1776J
June 10, 2009, 08:45 AM
ArmedBear,... thank you for the links.

Looks like the group in PA have an interesting group going. Looks very "English" and much more like a turn of the century thing (Edwardian) with plus-fours (aka: golf-style knickers) rather than a 20s-30s look of hunting and riding breeches.

Never the less, very interesting! Thanks for the heads up!

ArmedBear
June 10, 2009, 09:48 AM
There must be no cheatgrass, foxtails, wild oats, etc. in PA, that's all I can say.

Loyalist Dave
June 10, 2009, 05:15 PM
Sorry my friend, I thought your online name with the "1776" was an indicator, duh-oh on me! :confused:

Here's some additional stuff, Vintagers: Oder of Edwardian Gunners (http://www.vintagers.org/)

Hard to believe a 1920s-1930s man had a waist size larger than 36" - back then men were smaller, ate less, and worked a lot harder!

There is absolutely nothing to indicate that the caloric intake was "less", and that people were "smaller" (if you mean specifically waist, OK then). Caloric intake to be able to do manual labor is/was probably higher than the average diet today, we simply exercise alot less for what we do eat.

As was pointed out, the folks who lived the sporting life tended to be wealthy, and they tended to eat well, and drink good booze, so they in later life tended to be fat-boys. President Taft, King Edward VII, etc.
Here's another link:

Victorian Outfits (http://www.gentlemansemporium.com/mens_victorian_outfits.php)

LD

ElToro
June 19, 2009, 12:25 AM
40 waist? thats me.. somtimes its a 38
you got extras ?

BlueTrain
July 13, 2009, 11:09 AM
I've also been looking for vintage style "foot breeches," which has brought me to this place. So far I haven't got any and I'm still looking. I have examined some original pre WWII US cavalry cotton twill breeches (right size, too) but they have too much flare. I do know the WWI style regular issue (enlisted, anyway) breeches were about right but I haven't had a laying on of hands with a pair of them yet.

When I was in grade school, one of my neighbors was a linesman for the local power company in West Virginia. I frequently saw him wearing the high lace-up boots and breeches. I don't remember it very clearly but I suspect the breeches were corduroy. Pole climbers still wear the high boots but breeches went out with hats, apparently. One place I lived in West Virginia (in a log house) had a pair of old riding breeches for a woman that had evidently belonged to my step mother. They buttoned up the side.

Not to change the subject but does anyone besides Filson make "tin pants" or something similiar, like canvas hunting pants?

Uncle Mike
July 13, 2009, 01:00 PM
36" waist! Not since 3rd. grade....

mcarpentry
October 10, 2009, 09:43 AM
1776J I know this is a little late in the conversation but, I have a set of vintage hunting knickers and coat that you have pictured. I am interested in selling these if you still are looking. Fell free to contact me and we can discuss this.

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