Why are people hoarding?

I was just reading a couple posts here about primer shortages, the nice new price stickers we see on them and what not, and so I started wondering... Whats everyone afraid of? Is everyone afraid there's going to be some sort of World War Three and they don't want to miss out on it? Is everyone afraid that aliens are going to come down and attack mankind? Is everyone afraid of Uncle Sam or that the boogyman might come out of that dark corner in the closet? I'm sure most of us already have enough ammo in our basements to last a good long war or two and enough guns to arm the neighborhood. One box of primers is 1000 rounds, I think I'd be killed or captured before I could fire off 1000 rounds, or at least I'd die trying to carry it all! So, why are some buying all they can get their hands on? Is it because some fear the impending downfall of American society, or is it just that everyone wants to insure a lifetime supply of nonstop .38 Special target shooting kind of fun down at the pit? So, if your hording components and something scary is compelling you to do it, or if it's for some other reason entirely, please let the others in on it as I'm sure I'm not the only one wondering why.

It started out that everyone was afraid Obama was going to ban guns. Then it became a sort of self-fulfilling prophecy: everyone's afraid guns, ammo, and supplies are going to become hard to get, so they buy everything they can find, which has made everything hard to get...

We could stop doing this to ourselves at the drop of a hat, if we wanted to. Eventually everyone will get their credit card bills and the shelves will start to fill up again.

Some of the problem is hording, I think that is the biggest part of the shortage problem. I know guys that reload a little, they now think they should have 5,000 primers as back up. They used to buy 300 - 400 at a time......
I also see guys buying guns and ammo that never owned them before.

Folks have bought into the cheap hype that guns and ammo are going to be banned, simple as that. The gun show promoters and the gun stores are driving this frenzy.

long story short...

people are dumb.

long story short...

people are dumb

Most of the people have no clue as to whats going on and happening within and to our country.

There to concerned about buying the cheap chinese junk at Wal-Mart.

Check the threads about buying ammo, one would think W/W was the only place to purchase ammo. And we wonder why the independent dealer finally throwes in the towel.

First of all, it's hoarding, not hording. And I much prefer the term stockpiling.

Is everyone afraid of Uncle Sam...

You betcha. The power to tax is the power to destroy. And, what with all the money being spent by the gov't, do you suppose they might need to start taxing us to get some of it back? They are taxing evil tobacco to fund gov't run child health care programs, so who's to say they won't start taxing evil gun related items to fund something that tickles their fancy.

Don

OK, here's a case study - me. Though I shot on the rifle team in HS decades ago, the only gun I owned was a .22 rifle. Then, after the election, seeing what was happening with the economy, I decided it was prudent to buy a handgun. My decision had NOTHING TO DO with which party/person was president (believe it or not). It was mostly based on uncertainty on how the economy issue was going to shake out. OK, mid-January I buy a .380 and a case of target ammo. (Yup, 1000 rounds - knew I was going to practice to be proficient.) Go to the range, shoot some paper. While reading about training classes I come across info about IDPA/IPSC. Take my .380 to a weekly IDPA match, have a LOT of fun. Find out that 9mm is smallest caliber for the "games". It's now almost March. Go buy a XD9SC and another case of ammo. Practicing at the range a lot, so I find a used S&W .22 target pistol to save on ammo cost. Shoot the XD9SC for a few weeks in IDPA, and realize that while I really prefer the XD9SC over the .380 for daily CC (I'd gotten my permit by this point), I was behind the curve using a subcompact as my primary "game gun". It's end of March, I sell the .380 & 1200 rounds of ammo (to a VERY happy buyer) to fund a M&P Pro 9 (a very sweet gun, let me say). I realize I'm really enjoying IDPA, and practicing at least once or twice a week, so I'm burning through 500 rounds/month minimum. So at the same time I buy a used Lee Turret rig with all the extras I need to start reloading. Came with 1 lb of Clays & 100 primers. Week later buy 1k primers @ $43 from a local shop. By now I was fully aware of what a BAD time I'd picked to start shooting & reloading as a hobby. Also knew I was in the sport for the long haul, and was enjoying reloading, so put in an order for 10k primers & 4 lb powder online. A week later the number of posts regarding primers is escalating like a (bullet?... ok...) like a bullet, so because I think the PRICE MIGHT GO UP IN THE NEAR FUTURE (it already has at the local shop), I order another 25k online from another vendor. A few weeks later I've gone through the 1k primers, and bought another, though now the price is $48/k. BTW, the online primers were locked in at $23/k, no matter when they ship.

So let's recap; started shooting 1/15/09, now 4 1/2 months later, I've had 4 handguns, shot about 3k ammo, started reloading (1.5k of that 3k ammo was handloads), Classified in IDPA, have a CCW & carry daily. I've got 8 lbs of AA#5 and about 500 primers left of the 2k I've bought locally, got 4 lb of HP38 & 35K primers on order, with no idea of when they'll arrive.

NONE of the above was out of fear of gov't intervention, nor do I believe they have ANYTHING to do with the shortage (directly, that is, like telling ammo manufacturers what to do). OF COURSE the election of anti-2A politicos caused many to either buy their first or stock up, but there were other good reasons as well (the economy tanking, notably).

As others have said, when this settles down (which it will), going forward I will always have on hand enough powder & primer to see me through at least a year, so should this kind of spike happen again, I can sit back & ignore it.

I guess I'm writing all this as a cathartic release, as just last weekend at an IDPA event someone made a comment about how "all the noob shooters are ruining it for us that have been doing it xx years". Well dammit... too bad for you! I'm a new shooter, proud that I made the decision to carry wherever I'm legally allowed, and damn well going to hone my skills so God forbid should I ever have to use my weapon to defend myself, I might have a chance to survive it! So $#@ off!

Hoarding? Call it what you want but I call it saving for a rainy day. Same thing people do with money, perhaps food, and other items. Some folk ran out and couldn't find any but I was able to share to the tune of 3,000 primers with folk I know and they sure the hell didn't complain about it. And that was free from charge, including shipping.

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Hoarding? Call it what you want but I call it saving for a rainy day

I understand the saving for a rainy day but I personally know some who have now purchased close to 200,0000 primers and are still buying, even with the outlandish prices. That is hoarding.

I suppose some would say I've done the same as I stumbled in a going out of business deal years ago and bought all the dealer had for less than $50 a 5,000 sleeve. However I would do the same with most anything my family uses. If I walked into an auto parts store and saw Mobil 1 for sale at $.50 a qt., I get it all if I could simply because it beats $5.00 a qt. I now spend. I do not consider this hoarding.

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ST

I have been trying to get mine before the hoarders do :)

I've never understood people who only buy 100 primers at a time, and expect the local supplier to always have more on the shelf. Maybe it's because I'm older than most of the people on this forum, and have been reloading and shooting longer, but I've seen times when things were impossible to get in the past. For that reason alone, I always keep at least a two year supply of bullets, primers and powder on hand, period. This "shortage" hasn't affected me at all because of this. I too have been able to supply some close friends with primers, and a couple pounds of powder, but I'm careful who I let know I've got it.

With all the shooting my wife and I do, we go through many thousands of rounds of ammunition per year. It would not be prudent at all to depend on my local supplier to have what we need on any given day. It's up to me to ensure that I have what we need for our needs.

It would be silly to sign up for a shoot several states away, months in advance, and not know for certain that we would have the ammunition we need when the time arrives to travel to the match.

I haven't bought one primer since this "shortage" started right after the so called election. I'm using stocks that I normally have on hand, and once the situation settles down, I'll restock what we've used during the last half year or so.

One thing I might mention, it doesn't matter how many bullets, or how much powder, you have on your shelves. Without primers, it's all dead weight.......

Hope this helps.

Fred

I know guys that reload a little, they now think they should have 5,000 primers as back up.

Then they are thinking too small. :neener:


Unless they are thinking 5k each of SP, SPM, LP, LPM, SR, SRM, LR, LRM.

Then they are thinking correctly. :)

almost...

It's their money. I am looking forward to asking them if they have started using up those $48/K primers when primers are going for a reasonsable price again. On the other hand, they may looking forward to trying to sell me some of their $48/K primers for $96/K or some number. We'll see who laughs last.

I buy a lot at a time so I don't have to do it so often. I've got tons of brass, and thousands of bullets, gotta have primers and powders too. So hoarding supplies? No. Stockpiling handloaded ammo so I'll have target shooting supplies for years? Guilty.

I also have trash bags full of cans, plastic bottles, and 1 gal. jugs to use for reactive targets, and stacks of cardboard for my target frames. Guess I'm a "target hoarder" too.

<edit> Speaking of which, the UPS guy just delivered my 8# of IMR4895 and 5000 CCI #34 primers from Powder Valley! WOOHOO!

Have 15k primers and 20lbs of powder(purchased before the election)---but only shoot loaded ammo that I can find for a reasonable price----guess you can call it saving for a rainy day---plus gives me more brass saved up.

I don't think that it is the hording as much as it is we have been at war for 6 years. I think that the suppliers are making more money sending the components to Iraq, Pakistan, Afganistan and now south Korea.

I look at this way. Once the money runs out and people that are supposedly "Hoarding" quit making all these big purchases for whatever reason prices will drop like a rock. Once the flow of primers, powders, bullets and other reloading equipment returns to what it was there will be lots of surplus and what happends when there is surplus? Prices fall. Just like people buying like crazy, dealers are ordering like crazy and when they are overstocked and not making any $$$$$$ they will lower prices. The people that bought more then they could use or bought to sell on places like Gunbroker will not be in the equation anymore.

I dont consider it hoarding but every time I walk into a place that sells ammo I purchase some. I never know when or how much I'm going to get to shoot. Since this all started I haven't been able to buy ammo at retail prices the only people who have it for sale have jacked the price up.

In the last week or two I've found a good supply of ammo at normal prices. I've ordered several thousand rounds as well as purchased several more thousand all at reasonable prices.

I was never out of ammo and never will be again. I will continue to purchase it in large quantities when I get the chance. Let the credit card bills come in they will be paid off at the end of the month just like they are every month.

I dont consider it hoarding but every time I walk into a place that sells ammo I purchase some. I never know when or how much I'm going to get to shoot. Since this all started I haven't been able to buy ammo at retail prices the only people who have it for sale have jacked the price up.

In the last week or two I've found a good supply of ammo at normal prices. I've ordered several thousand rounds as well as purchased several more thousand all at reasonable prices.

I was never out of ammo and never will be again. I will continue to purchase it in large quantities when I get the chance. Let the credit card bills come in they will be paid off at the end of the month just like they are every month.

Wow!

I am just like you. I have about 30K rounds of ammo and do not plan on running out.

There is one difference though. My credit card bills are far, far, far from being paid off. :(

faire bien de...!
I was just reading a couple posts here about primer shortages, the nice new price stickers we see on them and what not, and so I started wondering... Whats everyone afraid of? Is everyone afraid there's going to be some sort of World War Three and they don't want to miss out on it? Is everyone afraid that aliens are going to come down and attack mankind? Is everyone afraid of Uncle Sam or that the boogyman might come out of that dark corner in the closet? I'm sure most of us already have enough ammo in our basements to last a good long war or two and enough guns to arm the neighborhood. One box of primers is 1000 rounds, I think I'd be killed or captured before I could fire off 1000 rounds, or at least I'd die trying to carry it all! So, why are some buying all they can get their hands on? Is it because some fear the impending downfall of American society, or is it just that everyone wants to insure a lifetime supply of nonstop .38 Special target shooting kind of fun down at the pit? So, if your hording components and something scary is compelling you to do it, or if it's for some other reason entirely, please let the others in on it as I'm sure I'm not the only one wondering why.

It depends on what you think hoarding is. I will buy 50,000 to 100,000 primers with a couple of friends. We shoot competition and will go through a lot of ammo in a year. We don't buy out of fear, we buy out of need.
Rusty

Shoot more in a year than most people shoot in a lifetime, it's simply resupplying the inventory.

Don't think for a moment that the bureaucrats won't find a way to increase the tax on reloading items. The day will come when everyone will reminisce about primers going for $50/1000 like old timers recall buying a Coke for a nickle.

Very high inflation and world devaluation of the dollar is right around the corner my friends, because of our massive debt to come and the way the govt. is running our economy in to the ground.

Get it while it's halfway worth the money.

I understand the saving for a rainy day but I personally know some who have now purchased close to 200,0000 primers and are still buying, even with the outlandish prices. That is hoarding.Tying up thousands of dollars in something like that is pointless, unless they plan on going into business. And if so, they'd better have all of the other components available to sell, too (a good selection of bullets, cases and powder).

If someone has more money than they know what to do with, and decides to spend some of it on guns or reloading components, well, that is certainly their choice. But it amazes me that so many people who have little or no savings, who have bills to pay, and who may be at risk of losing their jobs, continue to pour part of their income into such discretionary purchases. :uhoh:

it amazes me that so many people who have little or no savings, who have bills to pay, and who may be at risk of losing their jobs, continue to pour part of their income into such discretionary purchases.

You only live once. :D

Party on!

As primers are returning to stock, online sellers are generally getting about $29 per thousand (using MidwayUSA price last week as a guideline). It would appear that this is the new price point as primers return to the market.

Tell that to that guy who has been paying $39 per thousand to stock 200,000 of them. I hope he has fun shooting!

I'm not aware (read: "not willing to look in the dictionary to determine") the difference between "hoarding" and "stockpiling", but it seems to me that stockpiling is primarily for your own use vs. acquiring for later sale to others. I can empathize with stockpiling, but like many others it wouldn't bother me at all if the "hoarders" took a bath.

As for WHY people are stockpiling, seems to me there are several factors (some of which we haven't necessarily seen before) that are all converging...

1) A new administration with members that have in the past vocally expressed interest in curbing/"redefining" 2nd Amendment rights
2) A democratic majority in Congress that MIGHT be an ally to the Administration in this area (although there ARE a number of Dems elected who seem to be resisting the "Biden Line")
3) Gun control groups that are emboldened by #s 1 and 2 above, and will be pushing their agendas harder than ever--"striking while the iron is hot"
4) Different/new approaches to "gun control"...namely now looking at controlling/suppressing the flow of ammunition and related components. Maybe it's been suggested before, but I don't recall much focus in the past on bullets, just guns. Luckily, the vast majority of these "encoded bullet" bills have never made it out of committee...but it's a direction I don't think we've seen before.
5) Extreme statements from our own ranks...it's not hard to find gun shop owners, employees, dealers at gun shows, etc. who are absolutely SURE that doomsday is around the corner, and they're vocal about it.
6) The relatively long shelf life of ammunition and components, which limits the extent to which what you've stockpiled will go to waste. Many are willing to gamble on spending a bit more than they'd like to ensure they've actually GOT the materials rather than risk not having them in the future at all.

Bottom line, while I think some of the things we're dealing with are similar to situations we've seen in the past (and which have resolved themselves), I DO think we're facing a situation with more issues for concern than most of these past situations.

The good news is that I think with all the folks that are new into the shooting sports (or have just bought a gun), there's more of a support base than ever before. I also think Obama and the administration have bigger fish to fry than to worry about this stuff...for the moment. But I could also see Biden wanting to pursue this issue when the economy gets better, and THEN we've got some problems since his views are what most of us would likely consider to be extreme. Whether or not the current situation will be like what we've faced in the past OR be like something we haven't yet experienced is still to be determined, IMO. I can tell you one thing, though...I'm a lot more active and vocal about 2nd amendment rights than ever before, as are many others. We've got to stay more vigilant and observant than ever before.

Do you own an insurance policy of any type? It's not that you're expecting something bad to happen. But it's there in case something does.

Even if you don't need guns, ammo, primers, ect,......It is absolutely the best investment I can think of, purely from a financial standpoint.

The day will come, and it is not too far away, when our government is going to restrict or ban firearms much more severely than what we have seen in the past. Those on the left have not forgotten about the gun issue. They are simply too busy socializing our banks and industries to worry about that issue at present.

The day will come, and it is not too far away, when our government is going to restrict or ban firearms much more severely than what we have seen in the past. Those on the left have not forgotten about the gun issue. They are simply too busy socializing our banks and industries to worry about that issue at present.

Present day events suggest the opposite.

The Chicago ban will go to SCOTUS and get throw out.

Pelosi herself says no ban, try enforcing the laws we have.

Harry Reid is pro-gun.

Congress just passed the right to carry in state parks, despite the danger to precious Bambi and the other cute furry woodland animals that live there.

Most all the dems that got elected are pro-gun.


Now if these same politicians can stop the multi-national corporations from their treasonous activities, AKA globalization, we may actually get back on our feet but that isn't going to happen so you may need those 200,000 primers after all. :)

Ahh...hem. The first line should be enough...but read on if interested.

Ammunition Supply In Revolutionary Virginia Part 1
Taken from the January 1965 issue of:
The Virginia Magazine of History and Biography
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One of the chronic problems facing the states throughout most of the American Revolution was a shortage of ammunition. The large degree of sovereignty retained by individual states complicated the problem by decentralizing, to a great extent, the responsibility for acquiring munitions. Each of the thirteen colonies sought supplies of ammunition, both for its own needs and for the total war effort. In the continuing search for sinews of war, Virginia played an indispensable role.

Virginia patriots early realized the importance of an adequate supply of ammunition to their cause. On February 13, 1775--two months before the war began--the Isle of Wight Committee of Safety appointed a subcommittee to purchase 1,000 pounds of gunpowder for the county's use, and promised a £20 premium to the first person in the colony who made 5,000 pounds of powder. Five days later, the Cumberland County Committee offered a premium of three shillings per pound to the first person who would produce, within eight months, fifty pounds of good gunpowder, "on due proof that the same as made wholly of American materials."

In March of that same year, the Virginia Convention resolved to put the colony in a "posture for defence." Included in this preparation was the collection and storage of powder at Williamsburg. On April 21 the royal governor, Lord Dunmore, alarmed and incensed by these belligerent acts, sent a detachment of marines to seize the colony's store of powder. The Governor's success was short lived. So bold and powerful was the reaction of the Virginians, led by Patrick Henry, that Receiver-General and President of the Council Richard Corbin was forced to pay for the confiscated powder. Soon Dunmore fled to the protection of a British man-of-war, and a near state of war existed between the Old Dominion and the mother country.

Hoarding? No way.
Hedging against inflated primer prices? You bet I am.

Anybody that thinks that primers will fall back to $18 per K are kidding themselves.

Anybody that thinks that primers will fall back to $18 per K are kidding themselves.

Than I must be kidding myself. You guys can have them for $43 per K. When you have enough and the stores stock rises to normal levels the prices will fall to norm again. How long? Who knows I'm more worried about feeding my kids right now.

I usually need ~15,000 primers to shoot through the Summer. (handguns and long guns) When the prices started to climb, instead of keeping a year's supply of primers on my shelf I bought more trying to save money in the long run. I decided to increased my stock to two years worth. I'd like to say I saw this coming but I really didn't. I just wanted to save some money and ended up getting lucky to have 2 years primer supply on my shelf at last year's prices! I'm just glad I bought a little extra with every order I made, when I saw a sale in a local shop and when I bought at the gun shows.

I even bought a bunch of .22LR ammo before the prices jumped from $9.99 to $24.99 a brick. It seems like the .22LR ammo is easier to find over the past 6 weeks and the price has come down a bit.

Go back to Reloader Fred's comments. I'm 58. I've seen the prices of everything go up over the years. My first car (a'68 GTO) was $3,228 brand new. Prices fluctuate and hit high peaks, but sooner or later they go up.

Go back and look at all the threads about ammo shortage. I'm not running out of ammo.

Maybe it's been suggested before, but I don't recall much focus in the past on bullets, just guns. Luckily, the vast majority of these "encoded bullet" bills have never made it out of committee...but it's a direction I don't think we've seen before.Actuallly, ammunition control has been considered since at least 1969: 40 years ago! See Will: The Autobiography of G. Gordon Liddy (1980), page 135.

Do you own an insurance policy of any type? It's not that you're expecting something bad to happen. But it's there in case something does.Fair enough ... but that approach only makes sense if applied in a consistant, balanced fashion.

Do you have 50 years' supply of canned goods stockpiled? What about 50 years' worth of motor oil, and so on? If not, it won't do you much good to have 50 years' worth of primers.

Hoarding? No way.
Hedging against inflated primer prices? You bet I am.

Anybody that thinks that primers will fall back to $18 per K are kidding themselves.

When the panic buyers/hoarders have satiated their paranoia prices will come down and they will be closer to $18 than $48 (or whatever the lemmings have driven the price up to this week).

Anybody that thinks that primers will fall back to $18 per K are kidding themselves.

This is todays price if they were in stock. That's $18.60 per 1,000. They will be in stock sometime and I doubt the price will go up too much.

WOLF PRIMER SMALL PISTOL (BOXER) 5000/cs
Item Number: WONCSP · Availability: Out of stock
Add to Cart Price: $92.99

First of all, it's hoarding, not hording. And I much prefer the term stockpiling.


.......or it could be whoreding but then that would be how they got it, not what they are doing with it!:D:neener:

I have kept well stocked ever since the first primer shortage I went through. So will many more now.

Since you found primers for $92.99...then order some or provide a link so we can.

Since you found primers for $92.99...then order some or provide a link so we can.

Wow... all Rusty did was show a fact to your opinion. No need to get your feathers all... what's the word???...:D

LGB

So will he produce a link or not?

Why should he? Maybe he is hoarding his links.:neener:

Since you found primers for $92.99...then order some or provide a link so we can.
Looks like a old Graf & Sons part#

Everyday, everybody price from today
WOLF PRIMER SMALL PISTOL (BOXER) 5000/cs
Item Number: WONCSP · Availability: Out of stock
Add to Cart Price: $108.99

Why should he? Maybe he is hoarding his links.
Because he posted the brand, quantity and price.
Whats the big secret?

Looks like a old Graf & Sons part#

Yeah, that figures... Thanks

Grafs "todays prices" are actually $109 minus the feathers.

FED PRIMER LARGE RIFLE 5000/CS
Item Number: FD210 · Availability: Out of stock
Add to Cart Price: $133.99


Here's some more out of stock.

Primers are starting to show up. If people would just cool out and buy em when they need em more will start showing up. It is like the Old Soviet Union as soon as the word got out theres toilet paper available people would go crazy and buy as much as they could even if they didn't need it. This is not the Soviet Union (at least not yet) if people started buying what they need the shelves would fill back up. Natchez had SP primers today for about 9 hrs. I am sure some people that needed them bought some but then the "Sky is Falling" crowd went crazy and emptied the shelves. Once this stops everyone will have the supplies they need. I personally have about 900 SP and 1500 LP sitting in the closet and I feel like I have what I need for now. When those are about gone I will order another 10K of each along with some powder. I refuse to pay a $22 hazmat fee for a small order. But like PT Barnum once said “There's a sucker born every minute”.

ReloaderFred said:

I've never understood people who only buy 100 primers at a time, and expect the local supplier to always have more on the shelf.

Because some, like me, just need a few 100 primers per year. I just load enoght to get my rifles (.308,7mm,45-70) through a hunting season with plenty to practice and play with through the spring and summer.

It is not the loaders like you who are being accused of hoarding. If everyone kept buying as they did, we probably would not have this problem. It is the panic buyers who are creating the absurd demand. If a loader bought and used x number of primers before the panic and continued to do so now, I expect there would be no shortage. But when x number of loaders increase their purchase to 3x, 5x, 10x or 20x in panic, then the casual loaders such as myself, then panic and say "where am I going to get my 200 to 300 primers I need for next season." Then a person in that situation might see 2k primers for sale somewhere and instead of just taking 200-300, take the 2000. If we all do that, then what happens to supply and demand............

So now I have enough on hand for several years, and someone else does not. Who gains from that?

I've got my first prairie dog trip of the year next weekend, and am taking 2000 rounds of centerfire ammo...every bit handloaded, and each round with CCI benchrest primers.

Factor in load testing, fun at the range, etc and I easily reload 6k rounds per year in just rifle calibers.

Thats alot of primers.

Even buying 15,000 primers isn't hoarding especially if that's what you shoot a year. (like me) I usually have 15,000 on the shelf, I reload during the Winter like a lot of you and then replace what I use. Even if you added more primers because you thought they would be hard to find doesn't make you a hoarder, ordering 200,000 primers would make you a hoarder if you shoot only 2,000 a year. You would have to live another 100 years to shoot them all. A lofty goal but hardly possible, at least in my case... :p

See pictuers attached.

Picture 1 + Picture 2 = Picture 3

(Picture 1 + Picture 2) - Picture 1 = Picture 4 ALSO
(Picture 1 + Picture 2) - Picture 2 = Picture 4

Note only Picture 1 with Picture 2 = Picture 3

For those of us who learn visually. :evil:

They're NOT hoarding!!!!

they are simply protecting their future interests. Anyone who does any hobby understands you need a certain amount of supplies. Well, if you shoot a lot, you need a lot of ammo.

Why is this so hard for folks to grasp?

Ohio, I love the pics!

They're NOT hoarding!!!!

they are simply protecting their future interests. Anyone who does any hobby understands you need a certain amount of supplies. Well, if you shoot a lot, you need a lot of ammo.

Why is this so hard for folks to grasp

Right to a point but when a person is 65/70 years old and has primers to last 20/30/40 years is that not hoarding. Or mayhaps they found the fountain of youth. hehe

You do have kids and grand kids though, right? :D

My working stock is minimum 3K of any one kind (SP, LP, etc (except for LR, 1K-which is going to change)), not to mention my "rainy day" stock, which I have had for some time.

Save, period (money, bullets, food, primers, etc. It doesn't matter what it is, you need a little extra laying around)

When you stock up when things are plentiful, no one calls you a hoarder. :)

"Hoarding" is really on a term in the vocabulary of the unprepared.

Just because you failed to prepare does not make me a hoarder.

Everyone who was not blind could tell a couple of months before the election that we were heading for gun grabbing totalitarian socialism.

I got caught short of sp primers but had a K each of LR and LP, enough for a long while if need be and good bit of powder.
finally got some sp's to load for family needs and now jacketed slugs are scarce - no concern for pistol though as cast will do fine for sd/hd use but hi-power rifle I had a couple 100 for each set back.
when/if things normalize I plan on haveing a K of each primer I use 'set back' for contingencys and also some powder and slugs.
I didn't think it would get this bad.

You do have kids and grand kids though, right

None that care about reloading, or any of the shooting sports. I'm sort of an island in my family.

Adopt a kid who likes to shoot. :uhoh:

Well...not officially, just take them under your wing. :)

How old do these kids have to be.. I've got a couple I'd let ya use (support) til they finish college..:D