Model 7 Bolt Binding


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hinton03
June 3, 2009, 11:13 AM
I have a custom shop Model 7 in .223 and it is extremely hard to close the bolt when a round is chambered; it actually peels brass of the rim of the cartridge.

I can work the bolt but fast follow up shots would be difficult. I am hesitant to do anything about since the rifle shoots sub MOA.

Should I send it back to Remington?

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vicdotcom
June 3, 2009, 03:44 PM
The peeling of brass would be what concerns me. Have you tired different ammo? Maybe another brand might not be as hard to close?

Reid73
June 3, 2009, 04:07 PM
It's great that it shoots sub MOA, and of course undesireable to have it messed about with and potentially lose that performance.

However, if forced to choose I'd rather have a 2 MOA rifle (still plenty accurate enough for hunting) that is 100% reliable, than a sub-MOA rifle that doesn't function properly and in which one can have no confidence. So I would say yes, back to the manufacturer it goes, to be repaired under warranty.

You can certainly try different brands of ammunition, but I suspect that you'd just be just kidding yourself. Either it works properly or it doesn't. :(

shaggy430
June 3, 2009, 04:11 PM
I've got a Model 7 .308 and had similar trouble with one brand of ammo. The problem was cartridge case length. I pulled the bullets and the brass measured .3025 (inches) when the max should have been .3015 or less.

Does your rifle do this with other brands of ammo? Which brand were you using when this happened?

Runningman
June 4, 2009, 12:09 AM
What kind of ammo? Perhaps try a different brand of ammo just to what it does. I'm assuming you are not trying to shoot 5.56 ammo in the 223 chamber.

Auburn1992
June 4, 2009, 12:13 AM
Maybe the headspacing is off. My Rem XR-100 seems to do this on a few rounds (only 3 out of about 75 so far), and I've been told it was due to headspacing.

rangerruck
June 4, 2009, 12:21 AM
when you push from the rear, with your other hands thumb, how does it go; bindy or smooth? if it feels smoother, I would throw some baking soda type toothpaste in there, sit down in front of the tube, and work the action about 1 million times.

SHvar
June 4, 2009, 02:47 AM
At work we had remington 7s in .223, they were very light, small, and easy to shoot, but the bolt almost always had trouble feeding. You had to press the bolt from straight back slowly with one finger tip, not from the handle.
I was told that the rifle mag was designed for longer cased rounds, when the mag was modified for shorter rds the brass does not feed straight.
Since then we switched to Ruger model 77 all weather.

hinton03
June 4, 2009, 05:27 AM
I have fired multiple brands of brass (Fed, Rem, Win), all reloaded and trimmed to the correct length.

The action is very smooth without a cartridge chambered so I always thought it was a the bolt face issue, maybe a burr of some type, or ad extractor problem, but no one mentioned that. I will try to narrow it down by checking head spacing.

I purchased the gun used on an auction site so it is not warranted, although if it is a manufacturing defect I am sure Remington would repair it without cost.

Thanks for all the help.

p.s. Her is a pic.

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=91958&d=1233415367

RH45
June 4, 2009, 05:46 AM
So, the problem you were having was with reloaded ammo?

Does new, factory ammo do it too?

If not, I'd guess that either your sizing die isn't adjusted down far enough to push the shoulder of the case back to where it needs to be.

I had a .223 that was so tight, that I had to send the die with some fired cases out of it to RCBS. They machined a little from the die, where it hits the shellplate so it would push the shoulder back more.

stubbicatt
June 4, 2009, 06:36 AM
I call Foot Fault!

(flip flops?)

shaggy430
June 4, 2009, 09:27 AM
That really is a sharp looking Model 7. I'd definitely get it fixed.

hinton03
June 4, 2009, 11:09 AM
Never thought of the resizing die, I will buy some white box .223 and see if I still have the issue.

thanks

Uncle Mike
June 4, 2009, 11:14 AM
So, the problem you were having was with reloaded ammo?

Does new, factory ammo do it too?

If not, I'd guess that either your sizing die isn't adjusted down far enough to push the shoulder of the case back to where it needs to be.


Yep... Those damn reloads again. hehehe:D

Try your sizing die.... nice toes....:neener:

Reid73
June 4, 2009, 01:19 PM
From the Remington website: Some shooters consider the Remington Model Seven™ Mannlicher Stock (MS) rifle to be the most attractive gun in the Remington lineI agree. Sharp looking rifle! Shame about the bolt issue.

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