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nolateach
June 3, 2009, 11:14 PM
which one to buy? remington, winchester, weatherby, ruger, etc. then which caliber?

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P.B.Walsh
June 3, 2009, 11:22 PM
What's going to be the purpose of the rifle? Need more specifications, hunting, target, self defence? There's no one wonder-do-it-all-rifle.

I love a good Remington 700, but that rifle is my only centerfire rifle. :)

Oh...., and before I forget....., welcome to The High Road. :)

PT1911
June 3, 2009, 11:23 PM
as PB said... it is impossible to answer your question without more details as to your purpose for this rifle...

yenchisks
June 3, 2009, 11:24 PM
marlin mod 60;)

gvnwst
June 3, 2009, 11:26 PM
There are 10 main things we need to know before we can suggest anything:
1: your budget?
2: What is it for?
3: your budget?
4: What range?
5: your budget?
6: how much recoil can you stand?
7: your budget?
8: Do you plan on modding the thing?
9: your budget?
10: Do you reload?

tactikel
June 3, 2009, 11:44 PM
For general use a bolt action in .223 (target, varmint, small deer) or .243 (varmint, deer, etc.) are hard to beat. look for sales, A Savage with the accutrigger is a fine (and affordable) choice. Almost any rifle will be more accurate than YOU are :)
Ammo for these cal. are easy to find, easy to reload, and will serve you for lifetime no matter what you endup doing.
More info on use will give us better feedback for you.

rangerruck
June 4, 2009, 01:26 AM
... and also, I would not forget budget.
for any entry level centerfire, I would say it is double tough to beat
a marlin right now... then of course you have savage, stevens, howa,
and mossberg all make a nice, accurate, entry level rifle.

jim in Anchorage
June 4, 2009, 01:54 AM
Best quality Holland&Holland,cased with accessories in .375:evil:

P.B.Walsh
June 4, 2009, 01:40 PM
Yea, a Holland&Holland rifle, make sure you got some $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$!!!!!

Arkansas Paul
June 4, 2009, 01:49 PM
As far as brands any of the quality name brands that you named are fine. It's all about what you like best. I prefer weatherby, but that's just one man's opinion. You'll have to decide that for yourself. As far as budget, most of the companies offer a high end model and an economical line.

Art Eatman
June 4, 2009, 02:21 PM
If you're new to shooting rifles, my suggestion would be for a bolt-action .22 rimfire, and stay with iron sights for the first thousand rounds or so. Learn about sight picture, eye-finger coordination and that sort of thing.

Walk, then run. You don't go from a family sedan to an Indy car, either.

czarjl
June 4, 2009, 02:24 PM
+1 on the .22lr

P.B.Walsh
June 4, 2009, 02:28 PM
+1 (again) on the .22lr.

Reid73
June 4, 2009, 02:43 PM
+1 on a Holland & Holland magazine rifle, preferably in .375 H&H for maximum versatility. You can hunt any big game animal in the world with that. Here's the link (http://www.hollandandholland.com/~newyork/bespoke/the_bolt_action_magazine_rifle.htm).

Alternative suggestions:

(1) Mauser M98M (http://www.mauserwaffen.de/fileadmin/Editor/downloads/Broschueren/Deutsch/M98M_Folder_2005_de-en_01.pdf), again in .375 H&H; or

(2) Rigby African Express Rifle (http://www.johnrigbyandco.com/html/AfricanExpressBoltRifle.html), in .416 Rigby.

You'll also need a scope. I recommend either a Victory Diavari 1.5-6x42, or a Schmidt & Bender 1.5–6 x 42.

P.S. After you've made your purchase, please post some photos.

woof
June 4, 2009, 03:01 PM
Anything other than the .22LR bolt action would be foolish.

P.B.Walsh
June 4, 2009, 03:29 PM
I wonder how much that rig would cost Reid73?

ccsniper
June 4, 2009, 03:45 PM
+1 .22 bolt action. but if you have had experience with guns then I'd say go with a remington 700 in 30-06. if you have a small budget, marlin xl7 in 30-06. but thats only if you have experience with guns. otherwise I'm still a big fan of .22 for first gun.

P.B.Walsh
June 4, 2009, 03:48 PM
I can't belive the price of those rifles Reid73, who would pay that much for a rifle!!!!!

bigfatdave
June 4, 2009, 04:06 PM
my suggestion would be for a bolt-action .22 rimfire
Anything other than the .22LR bolt action would be foolish.
What do you have against lever guns?
Of course starting out in 22LR is a good idea.

Reid73
June 4, 2009, 04:09 PM
can't belive the price of those rifles I can't believe that some people expect to pay $300 for a highpower rifle and are then surprised when factory manufacturers cut corners through shoddy design, materials and construction.

who would pay that much for a rifle!!!!!

nolateach might. Apparently money is no object: I didn't see any budget. Perhaps he's looking for something special.

They are all great rifles. The Mauser is the bargain on the bunch, at ~ $15,000.

TeamRush
June 4, 2009, 04:23 PM
All the goofy stuff aside,
You should probably start with RIM FIRE rifle.
That is like the .22LR (.22 caliber Long Rifle)
Cheap to shoot, don't have to pick up your brass since they are not reloadable,
Very little noise so it won't bust your ear drums,
Cheap ammo so it won't bust your wallet,
No recoil so it won't bust your shoulder.
Accurate out to about 50 yards off the shelf and a real blast to shoot!
Ammo runs about $5 for a box of 100 fairly good quality cartridges (CCI Mini-Mag brand)

.22 WMR (.22 Caliber Winchester Magnum Rifle, also just called .22 Mag a lot of times)
This is a rifle with some range to reach out to about 100 yards out of the box.
Ammo is a little more expensive, but for the extra range it's worth it.
This is an EXCELLENT small game rifle and fun to shoot on top of it all.

The new versions of rimfire rifles are the .17 M2 (.17 Caliber Mach II)
This is a .22 long rifle case necked down to .17 caliber bullet, and like the .22 LR, they are a blast to shoot, accurate out past 50 yards, but the ammo is somewhat expensive right now.

.17 HMR (.17 Caliber Hornady Magnum Rifle)
These are a .22 WMR (magnum) rifle case necked down to accept a .17 caliber bullet, and they are accurate out to about 100 to 150 yards, depending on what the weather is like and what ammo you are using.
Rounds are expensive as far as rimfires go, about $13 to $15 a box of 50.

If you decide to take on a rifle, get yourself a rim fire in one of these calibers and LEARN TO SHOOT CORRECTLY before you buy a center fire that is going to recoil and make you flinch...

Once you have mastered getting your rifle to steady,
Getting your trigger finger and eyeball to work together,
then consider getting a more powerful center fire rifle...

I still practice with a pellet rifle in the basement, and I burn up lots of .22 Long rifle and .17 cal rimfires at the range to keep my eye and hand working together when I drag out the big bore rifles.

If you buy something big to start with, all it will teach you is how to flinch and miss the target...
And once the flinch reflex is learned, it's VERY HARD to get over doing it!

Starting kids and women out on large handguns or booming rifles seems like fun...
But all these people are doing is teaching those women and kids how to flinch for the rest of their lives....

So,
Buy your self a pellet gun you can practice with indoors, when you can steady that gun, and control the trigger well enough to shoot one hole groups at 25 feet or so,

Then move up to a small bore rimfire rifle...

Once you have that small bore mastered,
Move up to some kind of center fire that doesn't abuse your shoulder or the muzzle blast make mush out of your brains every time you pull the trigger...

And learn to focus on the target, not the recoil or muzzle blast, you will do just fine!

woof
June 4, 2009, 05:21 PM
I have nothing against lever .22s but I just believe the .22 bolt is the foundation gun that works best to learn from. I teaches the new shooter about the mechanics of how a rifle works, it forces a slow and deliberate operation, and it gives maximum accuracy and reliability for the dollar. I love levers, have a Henry and a Marlin 39.

Reid73
June 4, 2009, 07:54 PM
You mentioned a Weatherby. You're talking a top of the line type rifle there with the price tag to matchTrue enough for the Mark V Deluxe; but he could buy a Weatherby Vanguard for less than the cost of a Ruger, Remington, or Winchester.

P.B.Walsh
June 4, 2009, 08:31 PM
Dude, TeamRush, you said it all right there!!!!!

The OP needs to read that, I wonder if he/she reads their own thread, because I haven't seen his name in a while.

Reid73
June 4, 2009, 09:01 PM
Starting kids and women out on large handguns or booming rifles seems like fun...As in those stupid redneck videos that populate YouTube. :banghead:

But all these people are doing is teaching those women and kids how to flinch for the rest of their lives....That ... and compensating for their own deep-rooted sense of inferiority. "I can handle recoil better than someone who has no experience, therefore I am a real man". Pathetic. :(

shiftyer1
June 4, 2009, 09:04 PM
a .22lr is also the first thing I thought of

murdoc rose
June 5, 2009, 04:45 AM
22 or marlin 30 30

sarduy
June 5, 2009, 05:06 AM
.22 WMR (.22 Caliber Winchester Magnum Rifle, also just called .22 Mag a lot of times)
This is a rifle with some range to reach out to about 100 yards out of the box.
Ammo is a little more expensive, but for the extra range it's worth it.

you can be very accurate with a .22lr at 100 yards... i can keep 50 shots in a 3'' target with cheap bulk ammo. i have't try my luck at 150/200 yards but i will ;)

TeamRush
June 6, 2009, 04:10 PM
I don't agree with that, but that is my opinion.

You get what you pay for... To a certain extent...
I have several nice Rugers, one of the last companies to put decent wood on a rifle...
And a well made rifle, (made by a company in the USA so they have product liability insurance in the USA!)
Is going to run you in the neighborhood of $450 or $500 minimum (and go WAY up from there!).

You can shave some off that by taking the 'Extras' off the rifle,
Have mat black finishes instead of the traditional gun bluing jobs that American makers are famous for,
And you can go with 'Synthetic' stocks instead of American Walnut stocks,
To shave some of the cost, time, labor & materials the rifle is made out of...
BUT,
Again, you get what you pay for!

I've been told that places like Weatherby is using Kreiger 'Production' barrels (Don't expect the hand lapping, ready to shoot without breakin barrels that Kreiger can make...
These are just 'Potentially Match Grade' barrels that haven't been broken in or lapped yet)...

That barrel alone, along with the actions we've come to expect from Roy Weatherbys' company in the past years makes it worth the $350 price tag just to TRY to see if it's going to be a 'Weatherby' or not!

I have had VERY good luck with my 'Weatherby Vanguard' in .300 Mag, but I have a buddy that has a 7mm mag that won't hit a bull in the butt at 100 yards!
Weatherby made it right, but still, there was almost 6 months in trying to get Weatherby to understand we weren't 'Average Consumers', sending the rifle back to them,
Having them send the rifle to back to local dealer, then having to pick it up again....
It was a pain in the butt for it's owner, and although the rifle shoots as good as any 'Off The Shelf' 7mm Mag now, he still cusses it every time he sees it in the gun case!
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The flip side of that coin here is,
With CNC machining, rifles are MUCH more accurate than they used to be!
Event he 'Cheap' brands have MUCH tighter tolerances then they used to have,
And the rifles themselves are shooting MUCH better than they used to because of the increased accuracy of the machining....

Labor costs have gone down dramatically!
Jorneyman gunsmiths used to be required for proper machining, fit and finish, ect.
Now you simply load a basket of parts blanks in the machine, push the button, and come back to collect the finished parts and move them to 'Bluing' or Final Finish or whatever....
No serious education required, about any monkey off the street can load/unload the machines and push the button...

Our machines even replace their own tool bits on schedule and notify people when the 'Monkey' didn't load the parts correctly for machining!

Since our CNC machines don't take coffee breaks, lunch breaks, shift changes, call in sick, take holidays, goof off, steal tooling/components, brake tooling/compents when they aren't paying attention or are mad about something....
We save a TON of money on 'Skilled' labor that was getting harder and harder to find simply because no one from the 'MTV' generations wants to work!

CNC machinery has just GOT to make the prices drop considerably, since every part in a firearm took SKILLED & TRAINED people to make/assemble/install it!
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There are some very good deals in 'Utility' firearms out there,
Ruger All Weather, Weatherby Vanguard, are just a couple,
But if you want the full on experience of FINE FIREARMS OWNERSHIP, you will still have to shell out $500 and up for it!

Reid73
June 7, 2009, 02:59 PM
Have you shot a Stevens 300? There's not a thing shoddy about it The Stevens line ["the definition of value", as Savage calls it] is intended to provide no-frills, bargain-priced 'beater' tools. That's not necessarily a condemnation, and there is undoubtedly a place for such items at the low end of the market.

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