If you had $13-1400 for an AR-15...


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cbrgator
June 4, 2009, 04:33 PM
Which would you buy? Leave out optics and stuff, talking just rifle.

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Brian Williams
June 4, 2009, 04:50 PM
16" DPMS carbine upper, aero lower frankenAR=$900 it works and shoots to my point of aim.

iskor12
June 4, 2009, 05:04 PM
I would get a LMT CQB 16" with an LMT lower....but that's just me. I am rather biased though.

Mags
June 4, 2009, 05:08 PM
I would build my own and have enough dough left for a nice aimpoint.

waterhouse
June 4, 2009, 05:10 PM
What is the intended purpose of the gun? Shooting paper? Self defense? Varmints? All of the above?

If you handed me $1400 and told me I had to spend it on a AR, no ammo, no optics, etc, I'd pick up the used Noveske Recce basic that was on AR15.com the other day. For a new gun, I'd probably go LMT.

cbrgator
June 4, 2009, 06:07 PM
I plan on using an Aimpoint, but I'm asking it not be considered in price becaue I already have one. So, $1400 on pure rifle. It's purpose will be paper, SD, SHTF.

Please note if your suggestion is currently able to be acquired for the price we are discussing.

Hickwithstick
June 4, 2009, 06:14 PM
My wife and I both own DPMS AR's hers is an AR-15 223 and mine is an AR-10 308 both very acurate and nice rifles. I haven't shot any other kind but hers was $950 and mine was $1000 brand new so there would be enough left over for a case of ammo to feed through it:D

cbrgator
June 4, 2009, 06:42 PM
For those who suggested LMT, where can they be had for $1400 right now?

Uncle Mike
June 4, 2009, 06:59 PM
If I had $1300-$1400 to spend.... I darn sure would not spend it on an AR-

There has not been an AR worth THAT much... ever!

Unless it has a whole slew of gadgets bolted to it included in the price.

TechBrute
June 4, 2009, 07:04 PM
If I had $1300-$1400 to spend.... I darn sure would not spend it on an AR-

There has not been an AR worth THAT much... ever!

Unless it has a whole slew of gadgets bolted to it included in the price.
Wow, great advice on what AR to buy... none. What do you suggest, land? A motorcycle? A new washing machine? The guy asked what AR to buy, not what to do with the money.

Anyway, you need to seriously consider the Colt 6920. They are readily found in your price range and are the absolute gold standard in M4 patterned rifles.

ArmedBear
June 4, 2009, 07:14 PM
What would I buy?

Another O/U shotgun.:D

But what should the OP buy?

Who the hell knows? He said "rifle." That means 20", to me, but maybe he wants a 16". For that money, you can go Tacticool, Varmint Kong, National Maccurate, even Piston Power!

There are many ways to spend that money on an AR.

Whaddayawant?

Uncle Mike
June 4, 2009, 07:29 PM
New Washing machine.... :neener:



Rock River Arms-
Olympic Arms-
DPMS-

These seem to have less problems than so me of the others.

As far as the configuration.... that's up to you.....

ArmedBear
June 4, 2009, 07:42 PM
New Washing machine....

I actually own a $1300 (regular retail price) washing machine. Didn't pay anywhere NEAR that and wouldn't have. We got lucky and walked into a store when they needed to unload their floor models (a truck was on the way with all the new model year's appliances), and we needed a washer.

But let me tell you... Them $1300 washing machines are REALLY REALLY NICE. Still wouldn't pay $1300 for one.:)

MT GUNNY
June 4, 2009, 07:57 PM
R-15 vtr !!!!

99416

P.B.Walsh
June 4, 2009, 08:24 PM
An RRA Standard (20" bbl.) .308, because it takes FAL magazines.

gvnwst
June 4, 2009, 08:27 PM
An RRA Standard (20" bbl.) .308, because it takes FAL magazines.

That would be a AR-10, not a AR-15...:)

To the OP; RRA, Bushmaster, LMTs if you can find them, and so on, will all work well.

ugaarguy
June 4, 2009, 08:29 PM
The upper is the more important part of an AR-15. Given your budget I'd get a Colt LE6920, or LMT Defender 2000 if you're able to find one. Failing that an LMT or BCM complete upper mated to any major brand lower would be great. If you must have a complete rifle and LMT or Colt aren't available quickly enough for you I'd get a current production S&W M&P-15.

P.B.Walsh
June 4, 2009, 08:38 PM
Ok, for an AR15, then I'll take an A4 RRA Match SS bbl., it's aroun $1100.

Or a cheaper lower with a LaRue Stealth upper.

Babarsac
June 4, 2009, 09:35 PM
I would build a very nice lefty STAG AR, and with the change go for some ammo.

cbrgator
June 4, 2009, 10:02 PM
To be more specific, I'd like a 16" carbine in 5.56. 308 would interest me if it didn't cost $.50/round and up.

Kind of Blued
June 4, 2009, 10:04 PM
Your low end is $13?!?! :D

I think the best advice you can get (and it happens to be my opinion, weird...) is to be patient and look for used stuff (or more accurately, "pre-owned").

I would not be at all suprised if some of the panic purchases slowly start to go up for sale. Much if it could be REALLY nice stuff, because near the end of the panic buying, that's all that was left, but people still "had to have something".

Keep an eye on gunbroker.com, especially auctions with "Buy It Now" prices. There's a good chance these people likely have a credit card bill staring them in the face. :)

Also, don't think that you have to spend $1,400 just because you see a $2,000 rifle on sale for $1,400. I'd be much more interested in the $1,400 rifle going for $900 that does at least 99% of what the other one does.

Flash!
June 4, 2009, 10:30 PM
Colt LE6721..... nuff said.....

P.B.Walsh
June 4, 2009, 10:40 PM
Your low end is $13

I don't care, cause I got a LaRure upper, because I can always buy a lower. :neener:

P.B.Walsh
June 4, 2009, 10:42 PM
oops, double post.

benzy2
June 4, 2009, 10:53 PM
Id search until I found a Colt 6920. If you look a bit you should find one for $1400.

jtruog
June 4, 2009, 10:58 PM
Lmt Lower and a Larue 16inch stealth upper puts you at just about 1400 or a lil over. If price was no object 14.5in Noveske N4. Save some more cash get a Noveske.

TurboFC3S
June 4, 2009, 11:08 PM
Most important question, do you reload? If so, go with a 6.8 SPC.

I've built plenty of AR's, and bought plenty more pre-built. Honestly about the only parts that matter are the barrel, bolt, and trigger. Other that that they're pretty much all the same. I guess you could say the stock and forearm choices too, but that's personal preference.

gvnwst
June 4, 2009, 11:20 PM
Most important question, do you reload? If so, go with a 6.5 grendel
There, i fixed it for ya. ;) Really though, the 6.8 it is hard to find stuff for any way you cut it, and is not as good a cartridge as the 6.5. (less energy, less bullet selection, and less long range performance [actually, less performance anywhere past the muzzle])

gvnwst
June 4, 2009, 11:21 PM
Double tap...mods...

Prion
June 4, 2009, 11:30 PM
Another S&W MP15T. Like mine quite a bit. Saw one last week for $1325.

Frankl03
June 5, 2009, 12:27 AM
+1 on the Colt. They should be available in your price range. Here is an ad from CDNN:

Colt AR15 A3 Carbine LE Marked .223 16" M4 Barrel w/Bird Cage 2-20rd Mags
Carbine 4-Position Collapsible Stock M4 Style NO Carry Handle
Bayo Lug Upper and Quad Rail are 1-Piece Flip Sights New
#COL6940 $1699.99

Colt 6920 M4A3 AR-15 223 16" M4 Barrel w/Bird Cage 2-20rd Mags LE
Marked on Receiver 4-Position Collapsible Stock Detachable
Carry Handle Bayonet Lug New
#COLLE6920 $1499.99

Another thing to consider is a Sig 556 which is comparable IMHO to a piston AR and the prices on those have come down. I just bought a Standard model for $1299.00. They take AR mags etc.

Have fun with your new purchase and welcome to the High Road! whoops (got confused with another thread!

cbrgator
June 5, 2009, 12:35 AM
Appreciate all the input. My serious consideration has been a Colt 6920, which I can get for the price range I posted, but when I asked about it, so many people said you can do so much better for the money, which is why I asked the current question.

I haven't seen too many suggestions of rifles better than a 6920 in that price range so maybe people were just hatin' on Colts. I'm not new to AR's, but I'm not familiar with the higher end models.

Frank, maybe I should be welcoming you. ;)

45Badger
June 5, 2009, 12:37 AM
Colt 6920 for $1250, NIB;)

cbrgator
June 5, 2009, 12:38 AM
Colt 6920 for $1250, NIB

Where?

SHvar
June 5, 2009, 12:41 AM
Well for $1440 not including shipping or taxes you can get an LMT monolithic rail platform gas piston upper half. For around $685 you can get an LMT defender upper half. I dont remember the prices for a complete rifle.
An M&P 15 MOE model in a local shop is $1077 complete, the least expensive model they have now. The others (stag, colt, other S&W's) are from $1300-$1600.
A Bushmaster gas piston rifle is $1850.
Hmmm, for $1400 I could pay for my upper half that is showing up, and have a bit left over.

Runningman
June 5, 2009, 01:08 AM
Another vote for Colt 6721.

surjimmy
June 5, 2009, 02:36 AM
Rock River....

45Badger
June 5, 2009, 09:18 AM
Where?

I was wrong, it's $1225, ftf sale in Pennsylvania.

http://forum.pafoa.org/firearms-6/57657-colt-6920-new-box.html

The over-priced hype is starting to end. WildtoobadhesbannedbecausehesagreatguyAlaska sold these for less than a grand a couple years ago. Everyday pricing was $1100 and change.

TechBrute
June 5, 2009, 09:30 AM
They are $1299 at the shows here pretty consistently. Every now and then You can find one from a dealer for a little less.

cbrgator
June 5, 2009, 09:57 AM
Wow, those are great prices. Last time I was at a show they were 1800-2000, but that was 6-8 weeks ago. The best price I've seen online was 1350 + shipping.

kwelz
June 5, 2009, 11:02 AM
Prices have started to come back down. For that you can almost get a 6920 again.
I suggest an LMT Defender or S&W of some flavor.

TechBrute
June 5, 2009, 11:42 AM
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=130551578
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=130710425
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=130265679
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=130724813
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=130725010

Search for '6920' under Rifle > Semi-Auto on Gunbroker.

61chalk
June 5, 2009, 12:16 PM
I have a Colt pre-ban 1978 lower with a newer Colt HBAR upper.
Very accurate...wouldn't want any other AR. If I had to replace it, it would still be a Colt.

Storm
June 5, 2009, 12:18 PM
I spend the money on components to build a time machine so that I could go back and buy an AR-15 for what they are worth.

to tell you the truth I'm not quite sure what $1400 buys in an AR anymore as prices are so all over the place.

kamagong
June 5, 2009, 12:24 PM
With that budget I'd get a LMT Defender with SOPMOD stock. In fact, I'm placing an order for one in a week or so.

cbrgator
June 5, 2009, 02:40 PM
Where are LMT's available?

Trebor
June 5, 2009, 02:47 PM
Just get the Colt 6920 if you can find one in your price range.

The LMT and Noveske guns are every bit as good as the Colt, but I don't know that they are *better*.

If you get the Colt you have the advantage of getting a complete rifle that you know is good and you don't need to source the upper and lower separately, etc.

The Colt will also hold it's resale value very well if you decide you don't like the AR platform after all.

TechBrute
June 5, 2009, 02:47 PM
http://www.lewismachine.net/

cbrgator
June 5, 2009, 03:05 PM
Trebor,
I already have a Stag. I am not new to the platform, just looking for an upgrade.

There is no place to get a complete LMT?

iskor12
June 5, 2009, 03:53 PM
www.lewismachine.net
or
www.lmtdefense.com

Both sites are exactly the same.
And as far as getting an LMT...you are going to have to wait. They are rather swamped with orders right now. First come, First serve. :)

drgrenthum
June 5, 2009, 04:12 PM
id get 2 deltons :) one in 5.56 and one in 300 whisper. Should run you about $1400

TurboFC3S
June 5, 2009, 04:20 PM
There, i fixed it for ya. Really though, the 6.8 it is hard to find stuff for any way you cut it, and is not as good a cartridge as the 6.5. (less energy, less bullet selection, and less long range performance [actually, less performance anywhere past the muzzle])

How come every time somebody mentions 6.8, one of the Grendel fanboys has to come in and try to convince others of how superior it is. You can argue argue ballistics with somebody else who cares about minutia, but fact is the Grendel is going nowhere as long as Alexander Arms sticks to their idiotic liscensing scheme. Just about every manufacturer offers 6.8SPC chamberings ... how is it "hard to find stuff for"?

MP-44
June 5, 2009, 04:22 PM
S&W MP15T. Mine was extremely accurate with either 55gr or 75gr with no issues and all I put through it was Wolf.

The reason I sold it was the difficulty getting to the range so I figured I could use the $$ for something I would get more use out of. I still kick myself for letting that rifle go.

Sig 556
June 5, 2009, 04:56 PM
<-----------------------------------------------------------:D

cbrgator
June 5, 2009, 06:47 PM
I'm looking to stay with the AR platform. I may consider a Sig 556 later if/when they are more pervasive in the marketplace.

cbrgator
June 5, 2009, 09:19 PM
Anybody know where I can get a 6920 for 12-1250ish? "In my area" doesn't really help me because I'm not in your area, but if there are locations I have access to I would greatly appreciate it.

10-Ring
June 5, 2009, 09:56 PM
CMMG -- the ones I have were great values & even better shooters ;) -- get the set up you want & don't look back.

ds92
June 5, 2009, 10:38 PM
colt 6920 is the first thing that comes to mind

Runningman
June 5, 2009, 11:30 PM
Anybody know where I can get a 6920 for 12-1250ish? "In my area" doesn't really help me because I'm not in your area, but if there are locations I have access to I would greatly appreciate it.
Don't think you will find a Colt 6920s for that price these days. A good price for them last Summer before the current run up was $1275 - $1299. Interesting is that the Colt 6721 was going for about $150 less in the same time frame.

flyboy1788
June 5, 2009, 11:38 PM
random lower of respectable quality, geissele SSA trigger, quality LPK, Magpul UBR Stock, BCM middie upper with BCM bcg.

Mt.Traverse
June 6, 2009, 12:03 AM
I have a LMT for sale, new. 16in Wilson Barrel, Flat top upper. $1,350.

CoRoMo
June 6, 2009, 12:20 AM
OP by cbrgator
If you had $13-1400 for an AR-15...

I had that money. I spent that money on a LMT CQB16. I am unable to offer a recommendation above any that could possibly be submitted. I appologize.

http://www.lewismachine.net/images/product/CQB16.jpg

Texpatriate
June 6, 2009, 12:27 AM
I'd buy an LMT Defender lower for $330 or a soon to be available Bravo Company lower for $350, a Bravo Company full auto bolt carrier group for $159, and a Bravo Company mid-length upper for for $475. I'd probably at least upgrade the stock to a Magpul CTR or VLTOR EMOD for another $95-120 for a grand total of about $1,100. Add another $140 for a high quality rear BUIS like a a troy flip up, and another $150 for magazines. Now I'm out of money.... but after shooting the heck out of it, I'd probably eventually upgrade to a quality free float rail system from Larue Tactical, an Aimpoint CompM3L, and a good Larue Tactical or GG&G mount to put it in. Dang this gets expensive quick.... Trust me, I've already done all this.

^^^^^^^^^^
nice rifle CoRoMo

SpeedAKL
June 6, 2009, 02:03 AM
The Colt is a good rifle. A local shop here in southwest VA has S&W M&P-15Ts and IIRC a couple LMT M4-type guns in stock for around $1400-1450, and they were running a sale on the S&Ws for awhile. Both are good guns. Unless you're planning to run a bunch of carbine classes or something, a Bushmaster M4gery will work fine as well, and most of those have been under $1400 recently. Bushy has upped their quality on their latest guns.

The tough thing about giving out AR recommendations is that prices are just so inflated right now.

RP88
June 6, 2009, 02:19 AM
I would re-build my current AR, then go about 150 bucks over the budget with an EOtech 512 (or whatever one that used AA batteries) and a good flip-up BUIS.

with a CMMG rifle, a few swaps in the BCG, a request for a certain upgrade here or there depending on your set-up, and a simple at-home stake on the extension plate, and you have an AR almost as good as an LMT (almost), but at least better than anything else under the perceived "top three".

Hostile Amish
June 6, 2009, 02:32 AM
I'd buy a Noveske upper.

cbrgator
June 6, 2009, 01:06 PM
Really only looking at complete rifles ATM.

krs
June 6, 2009, 04:12 PM
I have a 16" Fulton Armory carbine that was guaranteed to shoot 1 MOA but actually does better than that whenever I've fired it from a decently solid rest. With service ammo it'll shoot under 1/2 MOA 5 shot groups center-to-center, and I can't complain about that.

it was well under your budget when I bought it although I can't say how Clint McKee (Fulton Armory) has held his pricing these days... I'd look if I were back in the market because they put together a nice reliable rifle.

cudaw73
June 6, 2009, 10:43 PM
There is no way i would spend that much money on an ar!!!!!!! Build it your self an save come on 1400 for that i can build all most 4 ar's

politicaldookie
June 6, 2009, 11:13 PM
Only the Best in Pompano has them for $1320.

ugaarguy
June 6, 2009, 11:33 PM
I have a LMT for sale, new. 16in Wilson Barrel, Flat top upper. $1,350.
I'm sorry, but LMT doesn't use Wilson barrels; they make their own. Someone else may have built it on an LMT lower, but that doesn't make it an LMT.

TechBrute
June 6, 2009, 11:35 PM
There is no way i would spend that much money on an ar!!!!!!! Build it your self an save come on 1400 for that i can build all most 4 ar's First of all, I call BS that you can build an AR for $350. Second, I'd rather have one quality AR than a safe full of junk. But I can't speak for anyone else...

I've never understood some people's aversion to buying quality.

P.B.Walsh
June 6, 2009, 11:39 PM
I aggre with TechBrute on that one.

cbrgator
June 7, 2009, 03:59 PM
So basically, If I am looking to get an AR within the next month or so for about $1300, there is no better rifle than a 6920.

That is what I have gathered. Thanks to all.

TechBrute
June 7, 2009, 05:22 PM
If that is the configuration you are looking for, then I would agree.

45Badger
June 7, 2009, 07:41 PM
So basically, If I am looking to get an AR within the next month or so for about $1300, there is no better rifle than a 6920.

Probably so, and check your PMs for a hot lead on a screaming deal:D

possum
June 7, 2009, 07:55 PM
slr 15 from defensive edge.

sm
June 7, 2009, 08:00 PM
Colt M16A1

I'd use it bone stock as it comes.

BK
June 7, 2009, 09:19 PM
You could always build one yourself and find out the hard way why that isn't always the best option. Otherwise, let the guys who know how to make a gun function, build it for you.

taliv
June 7, 2009, 09:34 PM
cbrgator, also consider this one http://global-tactical.com/danieldefensecompleterifles.aspx

it's well-reviewed and comes with a lot of extras (like a super-high-quality DD quad-rail, magpul furniture, etc) for only $200 more, and it's in stock a lot of places

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