[MCgunner]

I've kept a 20 loaded with remington 3 Buck by the bed for a few years now. I'd though nobody made 00 buck shot for 20 gauge, but check this out....

http://www.paraklesetechnologies.com/CivilianAmmo.htm

Anyone try this stuff? Says 8 pellets of 00, so I'm guessing a 3" load. That's okay as I have a 3" chambered gun.

[alsaqr]

# 3 or #4 buckshot is great for home defense.

[rcmodel]

I am kind of suspect of an ammo company that will only sell it's ammo on the on-line Auction sites!

Me get in a bidding war for a box of shotgun shells?

I don't think so!

But regardless of that.
The reason none of the major ammo companies load 00 Buck in 20 ga is because it won't stack right in the shell.
If it would, they would load & sell it.

This outfit had to give up wad cushioning or something else importent to get that many 00 buck in a 20 ga shell.

rc

[Deltaboy]

The 20 will get the job done so will a 16.
I would not feel undergunned with either one.

[mgkdrgn]

# 3 or #4 buckshot is great for home defense.

+1 on that

[Maverick223]

No. 3 buck in a 20Ga has been proven more effective than No. 4 buck out of a 12Ga. I think you will be fine with that load, and like RC said I would stay away from a manufacturer like that, seems a bit shady to me. :)

[MCgunner]

Well, I'm not worried at home defense ranges with no 3, I just came across this and since I never heard of 00 in 20 guage, I was sort of amazed and wondering. At .33" diameter, it is going to stack a bit caddiwompus, though, ain't it? :D Actually, I kinda prefer no 3 for its effectiveness, yet probable less ability to penetrate too many walls and get outside the house.

[Maverick223]

At .33" diameter, it is going to stack a bit caddiwompus, though, ain't it? Definitely will, and I am sure that is why it is not a standard load, if not stacked well with buffer and a shot cup the pellets will deform and limit their effectiveness, or that is how I understand it any-who. :D

[PA Freedom]

I used a 20 gauge with #3 buck as a bedside gun when thats all I had. Not my first choice, but deff enough to do the job at inside the house distances. Winchester used to have a "Ladies Model" 1300 Defender in 20 gauge and Ithaca used to make a side by side 20 gauge with 10 or 12 inch barrels (Pre NFA34) called the Auto-Burglar. It had a pistol grip and came with a full flap leather holster. Those were the days!

[MCgunner]

Well, I like my little 20 gauge coach gun and I back it up with several handguns in reach in the bedroom. The wife isn't afraid of it. She don't much like my 16 gauge let alone my 12s and my 10 gauge. :D

[PA Freedom]

I also have a 20 gauge coach gun. IGA Stoeger with 18'' barrels. Ive shot mine a lot and taken it along camping for security, but some say they're not rugged enough for serious use. No probs with mine tho.

[tactikel]

RC is spot on (as usual) 00 wont stack right in a 20 (perfect for a 12). #3 or #4 buck, or even lead #2 shot should work for SD. Is the 20 enough gun for SD? -think 600 grains @ 1300 fps :what: with no richochets or over penetration, thats a 20 ga 3" load of lead shot.

[broken]

dont laugh but i have a h@r 20 gauge single shot pardner,the barrell was shortened to 19" from 25 length with a elastic shell holder for a quick go to gun ,reinstalled bead,i think i handle it quicker then my short winchester pump riot,but ive not found any buckshot anywhere,just heavy birdshot and winchester 3" slugs,its the easiest to handle and i can eject and reload quick.i actually fixed it up for the wife..it blasts as big a hole and patterns as well as my winchester 12 gauge,cant tell no difference.

[Hungry Seagull]

Heh. Now I wonder what a moss 500 with full turkey choke and a mass of balls can do to intruder at 12 feet across a room.

Just the other day I found some three inch slow throwing 12 gauge with 000 and 10 pellets. Gonna try to pattern that stuff and see it soon.

[Fred Fuller]

Here's one: http://www.gunsamerica.com/968900514/Non-Guns/Ammunition/20_gauge_tactical_00_buckshot_per_2_boxes_of_6_2_3_.htm

Seems to be just a 'buy-it-now' deal, not an auction. Two 6-round boxes of 2 3/4" 20 ga. 00 buck for $16 plus $10 S&H. Dunno about you, but $2.17/round is kinda steep for me.

The ad copy:
"Description
FINALLY, viable, effective buckshot rounds for the 20-gauge shotgun are available. 8, ’00,’ buckshot are loaded into a 2 ¾” shell and run 1,100 fps from a 24” barrel yielding 1,175 foot-pounds energy. These rounds are new manufacture by Paraklese Technologies, llc, a federally licensed ammunition manufacturer. This round is perfect for turning fast handling, 20 gauge shotguns into tactical/home defense weapons. This loading compares directly to the Remington, ‘Managed Recoil,*’ 00 buckshot load for a 12 gauge!!! This round will have recoil similar to the Remington 20 gauge, ‘Gun Club Target,*’ load. Other ammunition manufacturers list a 100 fps higher velocity for their, ‘tactical,’ loads but read the fine print. They use a 30” full choke barrel for their velocity tests and each inch longer barrel yields another 25-30 fps in velocity. Upon winning contact us and we will e-mail you a document for your signature which you can fax back to us the first time you buy. Once the document is on file with us we won't need a second one. Sorry no refunds on loaded ammunition."

I plan to keep using and recommending #3 buck in 2 3/4" 20 ga. loads for defensive use, with slugs if more oomph or range is needed. JMHO, YMMV...

lpl

[MCgunner]

Hmm, 2 3/4" 8 pellets.

Yeah, me too. And Remington 3 buck is on the shelves at Academy here, even post Obama scare. Hasn't seemed to affect shotgun shells like it has .380 and other handgun ammo. I've got 4 or 5 boxes of 3 buck and don't shoot it, so I don't need anymore. The gun gets shot with 7.5s every dove season and through the year at those pesky clay disks occasionally. :D

H&Rs are cool. I have a 24" 10 gauge H&R. I haven't got it loaded for defense, but I do have some 18 pellet 00 for it I used on a couple of hog hunts this season, no hogs to show, unfortunately. It was a shotgun only hunt on a local WMA. Man, you could fit 2 20's in that thing. LOL! The little Spartan is a lot handier, though. That 10 is 9 lbs, don't exactly handle like a 6 lb coach gun.

[broken]

i would love to find a 10 gauge h/r,never seen on the shelf,special order only i guess,im craving a 16 gauge now.20"s are a great all rounder.

[Hungry Seagull]

Broken, there is some ten and 8 gauge ammuntion for big game on the shelf down the road at Gander in my state. Im not certain what type they are. It caught my attention one day recently because 10 and 8's are history to me.

Both my Moss 500 20 gauge firing 1450 feet per second brennekes kick and speak almost as hard as the 12 gauge firing the same ammuntion at slightly different speed and more energy.

I have no experience with buck in 20 gauge yet. But 12 gauge? certainly possibilities.

There is nothing wrong with Remington ammuntion in a 20 gauge at 1200 feet per second. That at least ought to put enough punch onto a badguy or target more than a .45 ACP can.

[Maverick223]

HS, Gander Mtn does have quite an ammo selection (at a premium though) they have .416 Rigby, .458WM/Lott, .460 Weatherby, et cetera. Never really looked at scattergun ammo because I usually use bird from the local Wally for my shotgun. I didn't even know that they still made 8Ga. shells anymore. Shot shells is about the only Rem. ammo I will buy, I think all their other stuff is a bit sub par (especially 45-70).

[jlv08]

I have an NEF Pardner Pump in twenty ga. for my wife and have it stoked with some high brass zombie ambrosia.:evil:

A twenty ga. pump stoked with the right loads is a formidable weapon in the right hands.:what:

[MCgunner]

i would love to find a 10 gauge h/r,never seen on the shelf,special order only i guess,im craving a 16 gauge now.20"s are a great all rounder.

20s are great, but they are a little light for stuff like geese and cranes. I've hunted 'em for years with a 12, but with steel shot, even the 12 is a tad light except if it's a 3.5" gun, if shots are beyond 35 yards. On those bad days, nothing replaces the 10 gauge for reaching out there with steel, big T shot. Oh, yeah, if you have a fortune for an ammo budget, just shoot 3" BB hevi shot and live happy, but 10 gauge T shot is a lot more affordable. I have an MEC reloader now and need to get some shot and start playing with it. By my calculations, I can reload it as cheap as buying 2 3/4" steel for my 12s. They're about a buck a shot store bought, but that beats 3 bucks a shot for 12 gauge hevi shot and it won't take many hunts to pay for it from that view point.

I had a friend who still has his "kitchen table dealer" FFL order it for me, just under 200 bucks. It's the turkey model. Nobody had the "waterfowler", but I prefer the 24" gun anyway, handier, and you don't need that stickin' 32" tube. It was the H&R or pony up for a Browning, which I didn't wanna do just yet, maybe in the future. There's the SP10, but that's WAY out of my budget. I found a Mag 10 for 575, but it was an old one and I don't know if I could fix it if it broke. Remington made a lot of changes when they bought the Ithaca design.

So, since 200 bucks wasn't a problem even for me, I figured I'd get my toes wet in the 10 gauge thing with the H&R. I have not regretted the decision. It's a very good gun for big birds and if you keep a spare round in your off hand, you can reload rather quickly with it and even get a second shot off now and then. It's completely ambidextrous, important to a lefty, and very simple mechanically. I like it a lot.

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=92813&d=1234753202

[Water-Man]

Stars & Stripes Ammo has Combat CQB 20ga. 2 3/4 @ 1575 fps that's supposed to be pretty good for HD.

[Hungry Seagull]

We have fired 1600 fps trueballs from Federals through that mossy, but it's unable to disperse the recoil and the pad plus shoulder takes a bad hit. And the muzzle blast is approaching that of a lightbulb at night from God and so much for night vision after. (Or hearing for that matter)

We dont shoot anything hotter than 1450 or so through either gun. However my Remington 870 will take a 3 inch 1800 fps slug for special sitautions once in a while. But those cause me to stagger around and require a spotter to confirm that all 5 went through the one hole in the middle. That one generates a fire blast 5 to 7 feet long and 2 feet thick around past the muzzle.

Hate to have to burn down house trying to shoot something.