ar15 - .22lr kit


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trigga
June 7, 2009, 01:48 AM
i was thinking about getting a 10/22 for squirrel hunting but i've come across a .22lr kit for the ar15.
there was the ceiner kit and then the spikes tactical. which one is better? i like the polish look and the idea of spare parts. i think i should get them before they are gone. anyone have experience or would recommend it??
http://blackdogmachinellc.net/spikes-tactical-ar-22-conversion-kits.aspx

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Eightball
June 7, 2009, 01:57 AM
Spikes has the electroless nickel finish, and you don't have to deal with a turd to get it. If Ceiner walks outside and gets hit by a bus after cashing your check but before making your unit....you're SOL. Not so with Spikes--it's hard to hit/eliminate an entire business with a bus while the business is crossing the street.

I like my Spike's kit. Tight fit with those O-rings, but it's exactly what I expected. While my rifle had a few issues, I dropped the kit in a few other ARs, and it ran flawlessly after a mag or two. The BDMs are handy, and the kit is completely worth it. I can do most cleaning at the range with the dirty sleeve of an old t-shirt, and it ran 'outta the box'. One of my coworkers got a "standard" .22 kit (though his might've been an M261 kit), and he had to do all sorts of polishing and fine tuning to get his to work correctly. Plus, Spikes has great CS, and guides on AR15.com as to FAQs and tuning instructions for their conversion.

Everyone who shoots my conversion wants one, even if they already have a different manufacture kit.

ETA: They're slightly cheaper to order through Spike's proper, plus the BDMs, if ordered through Spike's, have Spike's business info implanted in one side of the narrow section of the mag. Pretty cool.

trigga
June 7, 2009, 02:20 AM
i didn't quite get your bus story but in other words you're saying it's a good investment. i'm really thinking about it. i read a few reviews and heard nothing but good. i hear some issues about the ceiner kit. good thing i didn't but it before...

maybe sometime this week i will order it.

mongo4567
June 7, 2009, 04:10 AM
I've shot both kits and like them both. I bought a Spike's kit because of the nickel finish and the o-ring chamber seals.

bpl
June 7, 2009, 09:35 AM
I have several friends who own and/or owned and shot both extensively. They are all Class 3 guys who shoot a lot of full auto stuff, including the .22lr conversions. They tell me the Spikes kit is clearly superior to the Ceiner. When I get one, it will be the Spike's kit. I already have a complete lower built for it, just need to save some more money.

railroader
June 7, 2009, 11:04 AM
If you are planning on squirrel hunting you might want to stick with a dedicated 22 upper or a 10/22. I have a ciener kit and a couple of 22 rifles. The kits fun and runs great but the accuracy isn't as good as a dedicated 22lr rifle. 22lr rifles run a 1 in 16 twist and my ar is 1 in 9. Mark

possum
June 7, 2009, 03:53 PM
don't get the ciener kit there were lots of issues with them, and as a result Brownells has stoped carrying them, however they do have the cmmg conversion kit for sale. i have one and it has been great with over 1000rds through it so far, and i really plan to run it hard within the month to push it's limits. i have never had an issue with mine in the short time that i have had it.

trigga
July 23, 2009, 03:41 PM
the cmmg and spikes .22 kit are the same price. i ended up going with the spikes kit because of the finish. ordering from black dog machine with the kit the extra mags are $25 a piece, they usually go for $35. best price i found. very fast shipping and great service btw. after putting about 500 rounds through it with various ammo, the performance was very good depending on ammo. cheap ammo would jam and better ammo like mini mags would cycle just fine like any .22lr semi auto. the only advantage over cmmg has over spikes is their lifetime warranty. spikes is one year, bummer. the black dog machine magazines are great too, never had any issues with any of the five i got. i only wish they had steel feed lips.

ArmedBear
July 23, 2009, 04:11 PM
I'm not a big fan of the conversions, but the Ceiner assembly on my dedicated upper has worked extremely well.

That said, the vendor who sold me the upper dealt with the *******, not me.:)

It's too bad, really, because I prefer the Ceiner magazine I have to the Black Dog, by a long shot.

The Black Dog does LSBH, which I really do like. However, it's a PITA to load. The Ceiner is the most pleasant .22 stack magazine I've ever loaded (I went to all tubes on my other rimfires because they're just so much more pleasant to load, usually).

Too bad I'm not eager to get anything from Ceiner.:)

trigga
July 23, 2009, 04:23 PM
yeah they are a pain to load, and somewhere around 25 rounds it starts to get really hard and almost have to force the 27th round in. i haven't done any precision shooting with my 1:9 16". very good accuracy at 25 yards with 32 and 40 gr. i don't attend to shoot pass that.

ArmedBear
July 23, 2009, 05:15 PM
I was shooting gongs offhand with my dedicated 16" .22LR upper and A2 sights the other day at 200 yards.

That was fun.

EAJ
July 23, 2009, 06:03 PM
Utube Black Dog Machine Magazine Loader Mod (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMOAv6rT30s) :)

ArmedBear
July 23, 2009, 06:07 PM
Cool, simple idea.

Looks like a tampon, but it's got to be easier to load than the stock mag.:)

c5_nc
July 24, 2009, 10:36 AM
I would pass. I saw a CMMG kit the other day with 26rd mag through a wholesale distributor the other day for $154 and almost added it to my order before I thought about it. For that amount you don't have to add much money to get a new 10/22, and I've bought many semi-auto 22ls rifles like Marlin 60s for $38-79 used. The conversion bolts are really for training, if you want to shoot cheap on a ar platform, its not a good, reliable, or accurate as a regular 22lr rifle. Dedicated uppers are much better, but cost more than several 22lr rifles.

IndianaBoy
July 24, 2009, 07:02 PM
I have a CMMG conversion, and I love it.

Multiple thousands of rounds through it.


That being said: It would be my last pick out of all my rimfires for a squirrel gun.

The height of sights over bore makes close range shots tricky. It is capable of good accuracy with good ammo, but there are much better choices for hunting.

ArmedBear
July 24, 2009, 07:20 PM
The height of sights over bore makes close range shots tricky. It is capable of good accuracy with good ammo, but there are much better choices for hunting.

Agree 100%

I wouldn't get it for hunting small game. Not even a nice dedicated upper. It's a fun, if overpriced, plinker.

For small game, my Marlin 60 with a 4x32 Nikon scope, total cost $240 new including scope, is a FAR better choice. That's what I've used, and I love it. Cheapest gun I own, other than an old single shot 20 Gauge. Objectively, it's one of the best guns I own.

trigga
August 7, 2009, 01:16 AM
I was shooting gongs offhand with my dedicated 16" .22LR upper and A2 sights the other day at 200 yards.

That was fun.
i put a cheap red dot sight on it and i was amazed at how consistent and accurate it was up to 50 yards. i have the 1/9 twist and don't plan on shooting pass that but dead on 25-50 yards. yeah kinda overkill for squirrel but who wouldn't want one?

PandaBearBG
August 7, 2009, 05:57 AM
Love the AR platform, 22 is a great round for popping squirrels, I think you should just get a 22 rifle. For the cost of a conversion kit or a dedicated upper will get you any decent 22 rifle. It will be more accurate and in my opinion make you more proficient in both the AR and 22 rifle (whatever you choose). I just think that every rifle has a different feel, how it shoots for you, and mixing different calibers and different rounds in the same platform can mess up the confident feel in your aiming and consistency of your shots. Thats just my $.02

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