[WAGCEVP]

http://www.bradycampaign.org/facts/gunlaws/awb.asp

:cuss: :what: :barf: :rolleyes: :cuss:

[WAGCEVP]

Does law enforcement support the ban on assault weapons?

http://www.bradycampaign.org/facts/gunlaws/awb.asp

Every major national law enforcement organization in the country supported the federal assault weapons ban and worked for its passage. Among the many law enforcement organization that supported the ban are the Law Enforcement Steering Committee, the Fraternal Order of Police, the National Sheriffs' Association, the International Association of Chiefs of Police, the Major City Chiefs Association, the International Brotherhood of Police Officers, the National Association of Police Organizations, the Hispanic American Police Command Officers Association, the National Black Police Association, the National Organization of Black Law Enforcement Executives, the Police Executive Research Forum, and the Police Foundation.

[TheFederalistWeasel]

NO WE DON"T!!!!

The Law Enforcement Alliance of America (LEAA) is the nation's largest non-profit, non-partisan coalition of law enforcement professionals, crime victims, and concerned citizens united for justice.

It is a place where cops and citizens can join hands in promoting public education, community safety, criminal justice reform and the right of self-defense.

Will the Sun Set on the Clinton Gun and Magazine Ban?
http://leaa.org/Gun%20and%20Magazine%20Ban/gunmagazinebanma.html

Cops and Gun Control: The REAL Story
http://leaa.org/Cops%20Versus%20Gun%20Control/copsversusguncon.html

Self-Defense and the Armed Citizen
http://leaa.org/Real-Life%20Stories/ac1.html

[WvaBill]

While semi-automatic hunting rifles are designed to be fired from the shoulder and depend upon the accuracy of a precisely aimed projectile, semi-automatic assault weapons are designed to maximize lethal effects through a rapid rate of fire. Assault weapons are designed to be spray-fired from the hip, and because of their design, a shooter can maintain control of the weapon even while firing many rounds in rapid succession.
:what: :what:

Now that military has these weapons that do not depend "...upon the accuracy of a precisely aimed projectile...", are they going to forego marksmanship training. I know that some people are incredibly stupid, but I can tell when I sound excessively stupid.

[geekWithA.45]

As I recall, spray and pray is the tactic of the ignorant. It never works against anyone willing to expend the .63 seconds it takes to AIM.

The best case study, IMO, was the Battle of Mogadishu.

Around 100 of our guys (who aim) where surrounded by thousands and thousands of their guys (who fire many rounds from the hip)


And we all know who won that battle. *

"It was the most one sided route of military history".



*In case you don't know who won, despite the newspapers, it was us. We lost about 18 guys, with about 70 wounded, and the best estimate is that they lost 500-1000 guys, with twice that many wounded. The surrounded troops esaped, and they had snagged the guys they went in to get.

[4v50 Gary]

I don't mind if the Brady Ban on firearms is extended if(and only if) we're allowed to have real selective fire firearms. Don't think many of us will be shooting very much since the ammo will cost $ and there will be down time for replacing worn barrels. Between limited disposable capital and shop time, many of us won't have that many guns around, would we? :)

[Zundfolge]

Assault weapons are designed to be spray-fired from the hip

Then why does my AR-15 even have a stock?

[Langenator]

Assault weapons are designed to be spray-fired from the hip

I don't think even the Red Army in WWII with their PPSH-41/43s taught this technique.

[CleverNickname]

Assault weapons are designed to be spray-fired from the hip

I think the Bradyites have watched Rambo a few too many times.

[Mark Tyson]

Idiots.

[ARperson]

The other thing that's always cracked me up about the AW ban was the emphasis on looks (not to mention the completely ignorant viewpoint of what exactly an assault weapon is). They* pushed so hard to ban firearms that looked a certain way, and then get ticked off when gun manufacturers alter the firearm a smidge to comply with the ban. Don't they understand that they didn't ban anything that makes the gun deadly? They only banned features and cosmetics that facilitate ease of use in its original purpose, whatever that may have been.

And could someone one please tell me how my semi-automatic AR-15 type rifle fires any faster than my "sporting" semi-automatic hunting rifle? Because I would sure like to know how to get one up to the firing rate of the other. Them deer are speedy critters. I just can't keep up with them on my slower semi-automatic hunting rifle! :rolleyes:



*They being the other side, the enemies, the traitors. The ignorant pieces of feces that want to destroy my country and my way of life. The bastages from Satan's lair that want to turn this citizen into a subject. That's who "they" are.

[ARperson]

I picked this little tidbit up from their website as well:

Accurate at up to 2,000 yards (20 football fields end-to-end) it can inflict effective damage to targets over four miles away.

Now, I did the math. Two football fields laid end-to-end are just over a mile long. And if something isn't accurate beyond a certain distance, it sure as heck ain't likely to inflict "effective damage" beyond that distance.

Are they stupid?

Oh, wait. Yes, they are.:mad:

[Peetmoss]

"I picked this little tidbit up from their website as well:



quote:
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Accurate at up to 2,000 yards (20 football fields end-to-end) it can inflict effective damage to targets over four miles away.
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Now, I did the math. Two football fields laid end-to-end are just over a mile long. And if something isn't accurate beyond a certain distance, it sure as heck ain't likely to inflict "effective damage" beyond that distance.

Are they stupid?

Oh, wait. Yes, they are."

I hope you ment to say 20 football fields:D

Damn the Brady's don't even know the length of a football field. 2000yrds is acctually 16.66 and so on. Afterall a football field has two 10yrd endzones.

[Langenator]

it can inflict effective damage to targets over four miles away.

You know, even the 120mm cannon on the M1 tank, with optics, laser rangefinder, and computer firecontrol, is only effective out to maybe 5000m...which is roughly 3 miles...and that's against a tank-sized target.

Of course, anything the Brady Bunch wants to do to make themselves look like idiots is fine with me.

"the right of the people to keep and bear artillery shall not be infringed" :neener:

[BowStreetRunner]

i liked that Law Enforcement Alliance of America website and the article that says rank and file cops dont like gun control....way to go LEAA!

[tyme]

The Branch-Davidian standoff in Waco, Texas — On February 28, 1993, while attempting to serve federal search and arrest warrants at the Branch-Davidian compound in Waco, Texas, four ATF special agents were killed and 16 others were wounded with an arsenal of assault weapons. According to a federal affidavit, the cult had accumulated at least the following assault weapons: 123 AR-15s, 44 AK-47s, 2 Barrett .50 calibers, 2 Street Sweepers, an unknown number of MAC-10 and MAC-11s, 20 100-round drum magazines, and 260 large-capacity banana clips. The weapons were bought legally from gun dealers and at gun shows.
Argh. I'm never visiting any Brady-affiliated site again. It's not good for my blood pressure.

[WAGCEVP]

The weapons were bought legally from gun dealers and at gun shows.



From what I understand He was a FFL dealer and worked some gunshows.............

[Standing Wolf]

If not for lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, lies, and plain old-fashioned falsehoods, leftist extremists would have nothing to say.

[labgrade]

From the Brady site:
"Even so, some unscrupulous gun manufacturers have tried to evade the law by making minor changes to their assault weapons in order to skirt the restrictions."

Jeesh. They get what they they want & then bitch about the manufacturers using a "loophole?" "Loophole" here defined as how the law actually reads.

They get to define things based on cosmetics & then cry about vagarities based "on cosmetics?" :banghead:

"If they use a gun, any kind of gun while doing it, sentences should be especially harsh."

While I applaud most of LEAA's stance, I cannot agree with this.

Why "enhance" a sentence because a firearm was used? Why focus on the tool, rather than the criminal abuse?

I believe we fall into their own trap when there is any focus on the device used rather than the actual crime caused.

Death is death, no? no matter what impliment used ....

Too, & as an aside, I would much prefer such an establishment refer to "peace officer" rather than "law enforcement." There is a HUGE difference.

[Mark Tyson]

Too, & as an aside, I would much prefer such an establishment refer to "peace officer" rather than "law enforcement." There is a HUGE difference.

My first reaction is that you're splitting hairs, but would you care to elaborate?

[StonerStudent]

The target of the Brady group is people who don't know anything about weapons other than what they see on the boob tube. It doesn't to be right just scary to the uninformed. The Brady Bunch isn't stupid they know that the little people don't know anything about gun so they are eazily BSed by whatever they hear or read in the press. Look at the anti gun groups like a big ad adency selling gun control.

[Sleeping Dog]

Then why does my AR-15 even have a stock?

1. To hide the buffer tube.
2. To beat the enemy senseless.
3. To carve notches into.
4. To fit the gun cabinet correctly.
5. To put NRA bumper stickers on.
6. To hold the cleaning kit.
7. To hold the takedown pin detent spring.
8. To use as a canoe paddle.
9. To hold against your hip for steady accurate fire.
10. To hit the ground with in "order arms" or "parade rest".

Any more?

[Langenator]

[QUOTE]Any more?QUOTE]

11. Because doing "right/left shoulder arms" is damn tough without it
12. So your right hand has something to grab at Port Arms

[Skunkabilly]

The cops I know are all pro-gun, anti-idiot.

But then I only hang around the gun/knife nut cops.

[Fed168]

Spray fire, hmmm, that mean a hose pipe sticks out of the bore?

[KC]

"Ray Kelly, the Treasury Department's undersecretary for enforcement at the time, noted that police departments have specially trained officers who use high-powered weapons. "It takes a lot of training to be proficient at it," he said. "I don't think you can issue high-powered weapons to every patrol officer." " "They don't want and don't need weapons that would harm innocent bystanders."


And yet, they have...all cops here in CA seem to have evil black assualt rifles, in addition to their shotguns, and unsafe pistols with hi-cap magazines.

Truly amazing. They found the money to give "a lot" of training to their suddenly higher caliber (no pun intended) oficers, who moments before didnt need any thing like this because "Police are armed with weapons that are effective with criminals in line of sight." (As opposed to all the cops who had over-the-horizon weaponry in their cars?)

This entire "Q&A" thing doesnt sound rational, but, considering the source, it isnt at all surprising.

Hey! why dont we create a national list of Brady-ites, complete with addresses. That way their neighbors will know who the better, more humane and highly cultured person is. They can be held up...as role models to the general community as examples...of what rewards your beliefs may bring to you. :evil:

[Partisan Ranger]

Assault weapons are designed to be spray-fired from the hip....


That absurd 'fact' long ago convinced me that anti-gun bigots are either irretrievably stupid or deliberate liars.