[ShaiVong]

...for an HK USP 40. The wife really doesnt like the fact that the Glock has no manual safety; one of the features that I really like. So I go down to the local Gunstore to see what I can get for my Glock 22 for trade in. The guy kind of insults me with an offer of $300. They sell USP 40's for $700.

Go to my fav gunstore and he says $375, but they cant get HK's. Bummer.

So I was considering just trying to get the guy to give me more in trade for the Glock, or going elsewhere, when I start looking around at prices for mags... :what:

Why the heck are HK mags so expensive?! 10 rounders for $40, 13 rounders for $120!?!

I think I'm going to stick with my glock after all.

[Dorian]

Sell the glock for as much as you can then buy a used USP. Or for that matter try and do an even trade for the glock online.

I made the mistake of buying my first USP at the store for $800... I bought my second one online for $599.

I don't know where you're finding the 13 round mags for $120. I bought my USP 9mm 15 rounders for $55 each.

Heres a 13 rounder for $60:
http://sf1000.registeredsite.com/~user880686/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=3;t=006709

Some for $44:
http://sf1000.registeredsite.com/~user880686/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=3;t=006655

I've seen the used USP .40 go for as little as $450...

$525 USP .40:
http://sf1000.registeredsite.com/~user880686/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=005690

The only problem with buying a usp used is that you don't get to break it in!!!

Goood luck and I hope you join the wonderful world of HK soon.

[Dorian]

Another thing.....

You can post a WTB add on HKPRO, or even here at THR for USP 13 ruond .40 mags.

You should get plenty of responses... some will probably be pretty expensive, but you should get a lot of replies for inexpensive ones as well.

[WhoKnowsWho]

Purchased my USP40 with night sites for $469

Less than I paid for my G22 with two 15 round mags.

Arizona Gun Runners has USP40 mags for $29, but of course, they are the 10 rounders.

$375 trade in? Sounds pretty good compared to some offers I have heard some places offer to people on this board.

[Black Snowman]

What kind of Glock are you selling/trading?

[mrapathy2000]

you can get a manual safety for all but 1-2 models of glocks. it cost $85 and there is a jig for installation that cost $25. you can have a gunsmith do the work or send it to the company that made it and they will do the installation.

Brownells (http://www.brownells.com/aspx/NS/Store/ProductDetail.aspx?p=5532)

[ShaiVong]

Apathy: That might be a good idea; I never knew such a beast existed!

Black: Its a Glock 22, origional factory, mint condition. I still have the hard case and everything. I might actually still have the test shells from the factory. Probably about 500 rounds through it. Bought it just about a year ago.

[Majic]

Never expect much of anything on a trade with a dealer. He/she has to look out for a profit margin for the business.

Does your wife also shoot the Glock, or just make all the decisons? :uhoh:

[ShaiVong]

Almost forgot; Saw mag prices in CDNN. Also saw some USP40's for $400; some kind trade-ins.

[ShaiVong]

Majic, she does not shoot the "assault pistol", but prefers me to have rifles and shotguns as they are less accessable.

[George Hill]

"... for a nice MLT sandwich... Mutton lettuce and tomatto. WHen the mutton is nice and lean and the tomatto nice and ripe. It's so perky. I love that."
/Max

[JohnKSa]

The guy kind of insults me with an offer of $300.
It's people like you that make it difficult for people like me to trade guns.

I can't tell you how many times I've tried to trade a gun and can't even get the store to make me an offer. This is because of all the people in the past who feel "insulted" and get irate when they don't get the kind of offer they want.

Look, it's your gun, it's their money. How could you be insulted by the fact that they don't want YOUR gun enough to give you as much of THEIR money as you think is right?

You have NOT been insulted!

By your reasoning, every time you have ever gone into a store and not bought something you insulted the store owner.

[Majic]

she does not shoot the "assault pistol",

I really hope you are joking? :uhoh:

[Mastrogiacomo]

Get your wife a Beretta compact type M -- slender, manual safety, user friendly and 9mm which is cheaper to have fun with. Another option, the compact type L if she's OK with the grip, or the 92FS, Vertec (also has a slender grip) or a Brigadier if she's willing to risk it. Berettas aren't nearly as expensive as the H&K and as a lady shooter myself, I have yet to meet one I didn't like....:D

[ShaiVong]

Jesus John, calm down! :eek:

When the guy made me the offer, I just said '$300? Hmmm. That sounds O.K.' I typically dont shop there because they dont have very impressive prices; dollar democracy in action. Not that they are con artists or anything, just that i can usually do better. I think part of the reason why they made an offer on the low side (keep in mind, this is towords a trade, not cash) is exactly because I don't do much business with them.

The other $375 guy I BOUGHT the Glock 22 from, and I'm in there if only to check the shelves almost every week, and I bought 3 other guns through him.

I mean, come on. The thing goes for $550 NIB. I have the two factory mags, hard case, test fire rounds, manual etc. Mint condition. Towards a tradein! They make profit by re-selling my gun, plus the profit from me paying the difference with cash! It's not like "I need cash bad, how much can you give me for this gun?"

Also makes a difference that the $375 guy is about 1/2 as big as the other. Maybe the reason you cant trade in guns, John, is that they don't want any of yours! :D

[ShaiVong]

Majic, unfortunately I'm not kidding. She coined the term herself. Doesnt like pistols because they are too easy to get to, to easy to handle, to accessable, to easy to conceal, to hard to regulate (I s**t you not) and thus too dangerous. Rifles are therefore safer because they are big and unwieldy, and usually not black and evil death-dealing looking (she doesnt like the AR either!) :rolleyes: .

Forgot to add to my post to JohnK: Directly before this the guy tried to convince me that a .45 was the way to go, as anything lesser, especially 9mm, was a complete waste of time and/or puny. :scrutiny:

[NevadaPistolero]

Buy a Springfield XD in .40 or 357sig. Damn good guns. Mine is my carry daily gun and I trust it with my life.

[JohnKSa]

Directly before this the guy tried to convince me that a .45 was the way to go, as anything lesser, especially 9mm, was a complete waste of time and/or puny.
Ok, he did try to insult your intelligence.

But...

Simply making an offer that was less than you were willing to accept is NOT an insult.

There have been times where I have been willing to sell/trade a gun for significantly less than it's worth because I don't like it or because I want something else real bad or because I need room in the safe, (whatever). So, I'd be willing to accept a low offer. But, I'm not stupid. Just because I'm WILLING to take $50 (hypothetical number) doesn't mean I'm going to tell the guy $50--he might offer me $200 since that's closer to what it's worth. So, I ask him to make an offer.

I've had numerous dealers decline to even make an offer and cite as the reason that they don't like dealing with irate customers who feel "insulted" by a lower offer than they expected.

I'll say it again. It's your gun, it's their money. How they choose to spend THEIR money does not insult you or your gun.

[jc2]

In most cases, a dealer will offer you less than what a gun is worth because the dealer can only sell a gun for what it is worth, and he has to make money. So if the gun is "worth" $350 to $400, an offer of $300 is a long way from an insult from a dealer (who will probably have to hold the gun at least thirty days before he can put it on the shelf, do the associated paperwork, and have it sitting on this shelf until--of if--it sells). If you want what a gun is "worth," market it yourself (you may be surprised). BTW, $550 NIB is a high estimate for a Glock. Around here, $489-$499 is closer--and there's a quite a few used ones on the shelves.

[uglymofo]

Sell the Glock for whatever you can get for it.

On the used internet market, ~$425 is a good average price, say for a 17. I've seen 'em as low as $375 shipped. There's a BUNCH of folks out there hurtin' in this economy, no matter who says it's recovering. To expect a dealer to give you "used price" for your gun is a little naive. You'd have to sell it yourself to get that.

In a moment of temporary insanity, I was looking for a Glock. In two days, I found three for $375, $400, and $425 shipped. They're not worth much.

[Obiwan]

Around here the popular Glock models go for $475-$499 NEW

The only ones selling for $550 are the less popular models with nite sites.

I think Dealer pays about $400

So I don't think either offer was all that bad...

$ 300 seems about right from a dealer...he is going to have to make SOME money after all, and he can't sell it for too close to the new price...at least not to most people!

I see refurbs for $474, but always spend the extra $ 20-25 for a new weapon.

$375 is great IMHO..your best (only?) bet to get more is a private sale

[Tamara]

I mean, come on. The thing goes for $550 NIB. I have the two factory mags, hard case, test fire rounds, manual etc. Mint condition. Towards a tradein! They make profit by re-selling my gun, plus the profit from me paying the difference with cash! It's not like "I need cash bad, how much can you give me for this gun?"

I'd've offered you about $300-$325.

See, new Glocks go for $519. I'd like to keep a noticeable price spread between new and used guns in my showcase, so I wouldn't price yours more than $400-$425, especially since I have puh-lenty of used Glocks right now. If I'm going to take in another one, I want to price it to move. I'd also like to have a small cushion in the price to allow for dickering or future sale pricing or whatever, and I refuse to make less than $75 on a gun, it just ain't worth it, otherwise.

[Smoke]

Directly before this the guy tried to convince me that a .45 was the way to go, as anything lesser, especially 9mm, was a complete waste of time and/or puny.

and then......

Ok, he did try to insult your intelligence.

How is this insulting your intelligence? Many people much smarter, better trained, more experienced than me share this belief. I happen to share it.

Unless your buying a plinker or "fun gun" I think bigger is better. I know people will disagree. But perhaps the dealer was trying to be helpful, not insulting.

[dhoomonyou]

does she have a safety on the GAS pedal?
is there a safety on any of the knives, or tools, or mowers, etc etc, around the house?
If you trade it for a SAFER gun, where does it stop? NO more nights out with the guys?
tell you what i'll send you a dress and you can send me the NASTY DANGEROUS "ASSAULT PISTOL".

this post was not meant to inflame or piss anyone off.

[Dorian]

How is this insulting your intelligence? Many people much smarter, better trained, more experienced than me share this belief. I happen to share it.


It has to do with the person acting high and mighty and trying to push their belief on you. If you want to convince me that .45 is a better round than 9mm, you certianly aren't going to do it that way. If anything, I'll carry a 9mm JUST to spite you for talking to me like that.

It's all in the presentation. I too share your belief. I carry a 9mm pistol every once in a while just for ????s and giggles though. Speer Gold Dot 9mm +p in a HK USP 9mm.

[Nero Steptoe]

Your intelligence was insulted when your wife said, "I do," and "I will!"

[Keith]

I mean, come on. The thing goes for $550 NIB.

But the dealer price is probably around $400, or even less. Why should he buy a USED gun for the amount he can buy a NIB gun?

Those both sound like very generous offers.

There is actually a "Blue Book of Gun Values" - anyone have a copy handy to quote a price on a used Glock?

Keith

[ShaiVong]

Yeah, I see what you guys are saying. Maybe "insulted" was the wrong world; how about underwhelmed? I expected something more in the $350 - $400 range, which i was offered elsewhere.

He said $300:

I put down $700-$300=$400 for the HK (+ Tax). How much do dealers pay for HK's?

[Rich357]

ShaiVong:
"Majic, unfortunately I'm not kidding. She coined the term herself. Doesnt like pistols because they are too easy to get to, to easy to handle, to accessable, to easy to conceal, to hard to regulate (I s**t you not) and thus too dangerous. Rifles are therefore safer because they are big and unwieldy, and... "
-snip
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Good luck with the HK.

Would your wife feel any better about an all stainless steel S&W M686 Plus, 4" or 6" .357Mag revolver? It is a fine "seven shooter".

Rich

[CZ52GUY]

...and I get concerned when a THR member's spouse is quoted as using rhetoric that is indistinguishable from an MMM'er.

Don't get me wrong, every individual needs to do what they believe is right to keep the peace with their one and only...

...At the same time, if a THR member can't stand up for RKBA with their spouse, then where are we??

Bottom line, this gentleman needs to follow his consience and do what he believes is right, but I think ALL OF US need to educate our family members about the difference between "HCI speak", and reality.


Addressing the gentleman directly:

Your Glock is easier to conceal, but if you don't own it and control it's use, then who will? It is highly unlikely that your "act of appeasement" will materially change the dynamics of handgun ownership.

Your Glock carries far less punch that a rifle or shotgun making it far less deadly on a round by round basis.

Your Glock includes a firing pin safety that many older rifles and shotguns may not which makes an AD when dropping more likely with that class of weapon than the Glock.

Safe storage is critical regardless of type of firearm. If stored safely, there is no difference in accessibility between firearm types.

I would respectfully suggest that if the 2nd is to survive, we need to confront ignorance and fear where it lives, even in our own homes.


Best Regards,

CZ52'

[ShaiVong]

Don't get me wrong CZ, I'm not caving into my wife here. If I were to do everything that gave her (sic) peace of mind, probably all of my guns but the enfield would be gone.

I really understand what she's dealing with here. As I am in college full time, we live below her parents (not for free mind you, but we couldnt have as good a place for the same price around here). Being a woman (no offence to any RKBA women on this board, God love you), she bases most of these ideas on feelings and emotion. Her mother is a hopeless anti RKBA worrier. It's not that they hate guns per say, but she has been programed that if there is a gun in the house, somebody is going to be killed by it.

Don't even bother posting logical ripostes, because logic is far removed from this issue. Believe me i've tried.

She would rather me have a shotgun because many people like to skeet shoot, and that would give it a widely used recreational useage. In her opinion the glock is good for nothing but shooting people, which she finds disturbing.

I'm working on her slowly. I have the advantage in that I'm resolute and unwavering, and she is very impressionable. Give it a few more years and she will accept it, though I'm sure she'll never be enthusiastic.

This is the same woman who I posted about before, who refuses to shoot at silhouette targets above the knee, and has stoicly said that she would never risk harming another human being to save her own life or mine. She is a dyed in the wool sheeple. This thinking repulses me, and I will never really respect her pathetic parents for that, but it is what it is. I love her otherwise, and she is damned lucky she found me, or she would be completely helpless vs the world. I remind her daily ;)

[CZ52GUY]

...but 3 planes crashed into intended targets because of programmed people...one didn't because of principled patriots.

There is a consequence to that type of thinking that is DANGEROUS.

It isn't alternative, it isn't equivalent, that kind of thinking puts all of us in jeopardy.

It is fundamentalist pacifism that insists that aggressive criminal predators have an inalienable right to victimize. It shifts blame to those who resist predators and is symptomatic of the post-modernist upside down world we live in where the perp' is too often identified as a victim and the intended victim who resists becomes a criminal in the eyes of a warped society who has been programmed to subborn, and even embrace evil.

Each living creature on this planet is born with the instinct to preserve its life and those they hold dear. When this instinct is "educated" out of human beings, the consequences are tangible, and devastating.

I'm grateful to report that my wife would gladly give her life to save mine or the life of our daughter and EXPECTS that I would do the same.

I'm also grateful to report that my wife would TAKE A LIFE to save our daughter, herself, or me and is PROUD that I would do the same for them.

I completely respect your individual right to choose a lifes partner and deal with this issue as you believe appropriate.

The philosophy described is however, extremely dangerous to us all, and that philosophy I contend, must be confronted in the strongest possible terms.

Sometimes it isn't about persuasion, sometimes it is about steadfastly holding to ones convictions.

How you address this specific circumstance, is obviously up to you.

Best wishes,

CZ52'

[ShaiVong]

Have you ever read the book "Naked Empire"? Its the latest novel by Terry Goodkind. The reason why its applicable is the entire book is basically about this nation of people who the protaganist comes within contact with. They are called the "Bandakharians (sic)". It's a sword and sorcery type of book, though rated M rather than E like LOTR or that little kid sorceror.

Anywho; The story is that a long time ago (in terms of present day of the book), a thinking developed that criminals were simply misunderstood, and that violence would solve nothing, only to create a cycle. These people refused to use force against predators. A great wizard saw how dangerous such idyllic and naive ideas were, and that such people were a real threat to any nation, as they would weaken it from inside. Thus he gathered them all up and sealed them off from the rest of the world.

Eventually the barriers fail, and suddenly this pathetic little pocket of pacifists who from birth are taught to be sickened at the thought of violence and force are exposed to a rather violent and brutish empire, which is raping and pillaging their way across the known world. Our protaganist (who would make an execellent moderator here at THR in the edged weapons section), must make these people defend themselves.

Now that I've completely mussed it up, I recomend in the strongest possible terms that you guys at least pick it up from the library. I have to say it moved me deeply. It hammered again and again the importance of understanding the difference between good and evil, malace and defence, and the importance of standing up for what is right and just. A work of art.

I think it helped my wife alittle as well, as she loves the series of books that it is in.

Just give me time :D .