[Kestrel]

I've always liked UZIs. I used to have a couple, but sold them years ago. I still have a number of mags and accessories, etc. With a 16" barrel, I'm not sure why I'd want one, but kind of do. I'm not planning to get one, I'm just kind of wondering what some of you that have one do with yours?

(I guess I'm kind of looking for a reason to get another one...)

Thanks,
Steve

[Black Snowman]

I've always wanted a SMG. Originally it was an UZI, then a MAC, and then an HK, not I'm back to a MAC again. The problem I have is unless I go whole hog and get a select fire one I just can't see them being that fun. So my current plan is just to go to Nevada and rent one to get it out of my system ;)

That doesn't help you but I'm in the same boat. The pistols don't make very good pistols and the carbines are quite large. Maybe you could get a carbine and get the appropriate paperwork to put it back to the standard length barrel. Then at least it would be a good home defense carbine.

[444]

I don't see any point at all in getting one that is semi-auto with a 16" barrel. A SMG is another story. It certainly isn't a state of the art subgun, but they work and for a plinker they would be great. I really wish I had held out and paid the extra $1000 and got an UZI instead of the Sten that I did buy. I would have gotten 10x the gun for not that much more money. For us poor peons in this day and age (and country), there arn't a whole lot of full auto toys that can realistically be purchased. But, the low end subguns are doable with a little saving or overtime. Of course as Snowman mentions, you could buy the semi-auto carbine and register it as a SBR. But again, I personally wouldn't want one.
As a semi-auto carbine I can't see the point. According to popular theory, the 9mm cartridge doesn't gain much, if anything out of a carbine. And the UZI is pretty clunky with minimal sights. If I had to have a 9mm carbine I can think of a number of better choices than an UZI.

Snowman, look me up if you come out here to Nevada. There are plenty of places in Las Vegas where you can shoot an Uzi. But, know this, you WILL melt in Nevada.

[CleverNickname]

Ditto to 444. I have a Vector Uzi SMG. If it wasn't full-auto, I wouldn't see a reason for it.

[one-shot-one]

best reason i can come up with is you don't have one.:p

[MeekandMild]

One big reason is because "Joe the Barber" believes that civilians shouldn't own them. So getting one and then having it for many happy, safe and nonviolent years is an act of civil assertiveness against the grabbers. Every UZI which sits quietly in the safe and isn't ever used in a crime is a vote for RKBA. There is no other gun in America which so thoroughly says "I'm not a duck hunting gun".

I think if I were a gazillionaire I'd buy Vector and start selling gold plated UZI carbines in a special postban AWB sunset edition...for a hundred bucks apiece.:neener:

[Mark Tyson]

As a semi-auto carbine I can't see the point.

I think they're easier to aim than handguns. What about HK's USC?

[Bartholomew Roberts]

Actually the semi-auto carbines make remarkably fun plinkers. However, the ban has made the semi-autos fairly pricey... considering you can get into a full-auto pre-86 transferrable mini-Uzi for $4,800, I think the full auto is the way to go.

All of the Uzis are fun though - they are like the AKs of the subgun world. Simple, durable and even a monkey can operate and maintain one (and probably build one besides). In fact, I'd say they are better than an AK as they are a lot more ergonomic...

The full-size Uzis are chuggers - I think the cyclic is around 550rpm so they seem pretty slow compared to most subguns; but I find they are still effective and controllable as well as being compact.

The mini-Uzis are much faster... haven't had much experience withthem though.

[Hkmp5sd]

I used to use my semi-Uzi as a vehicle gun. It was kept in a gun rack behind the seat in my F-150. A few years later, a bunch of morons came up with this "semi-automatic assault weapon" ban. The value of the Uzi carbine skyrocketed, so it was transferred to my safe.

[CleverNickname]

The full-size Uzis are chuggers - I think the cyclic is around 550rpm so they seem pretty slow compared to most subguns; but I find they are still effective and controllable as well as being compact.

They are, but it's quite easy to cut a semi-auto buffer to length and place it behind the bolt to shorten the length of travel. Speeds up the RPM quite nicely. I usually don't use my buffer, but it is fun to do mag dumps at ~900 rpm every once in awhile. FWIW, it actually seems to increase the controllability, probably because there's less bolt travel.

[greenmountaingear]

You could always buy one w/ the 16in barrel, wait for the AWB to sunset and then install the normal length barrel.

Just a thought :)

[cordex]

You could always buy one w/ the 16in barrel, wait for the AWB to sunset and then install the normal length barrel.

Just a thought
AW ban doesn't affect barrel length restrictions. Chopping a "rifle" to less than 16" will get you a one way 10 year trip to Club Fed - AW ban or no AW ban.

SBRs are regulated by the NFA as amended by GCA '68

[goon]

Why not?
I personally would prefer an AK-100 series to an UZI, but I wouldn't turn one down if someone gave it to me.:D

At the very least, the thought of you or me having an UZI pisses off the anti-gun people.
Isn't that enough of a reason to own one?:evil:

[greenmountaingear]

M-11's are still produce domestically as are UZI's...the Uzi w/ a 16in barrel is not sold as a rifle IIRC. You can't have a folding stock on a post-ban uzi and barrel length should not be an issue after the ban either.

Via the ATF:

"a semi-automatic pistol that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine and has at least two of the following: an ammunition magazine that attaches to the pistol outside of the pistol grip; a threaded barrel capable of accepting a barrel extender, flash suppressor, forward handgrip, or silencer; a shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely encircles, the barrel and that permits the shooter to hold the firearm with the nontrigger hand without being burned; a manufactured weight of 50 ounces or more when the pistol is unloaded; and a semiautomatic version of an automatic firearm;"

Post-ban barrel is 16inches, non-threaded, no flash supression...There's three of your "evil features" you can have back AFTER the ban sunsets since the Uzi is not sold as a rifle to begin with.

[CleverNickname]

the Uzi w/ a 16in barrel is not sold as a rifle IIRC

Most new Uzis are rifles, because they have stocks. If it has a stock it's not a pistol or AOW. It is possible to make an Uzi AOW, but I doubt very many have been made/sold.

[jrhead75]

The UZI I bought pre-ban was sold as a rifle, with a 16" barrel and folding stock. It came with a normal length fake barrel that could be attached for that real live UZI "look" (why I have no idea).

I don't believe that the 94 AWB sunsetting will have any effect on UZI barrel length.

[AK103K]

Black Snowman,
The M11/9mm's are still one of the more, if not most reasonable full auto guns out there these days. If you can deal with this generation MAC, and your in a MG state, its doable for around $1500-$2000 including the tax stamp. With good mags, the M11/9 is a reliable gun thats a lot of fun to shoot. With its rate of fire, your ammo consumption will be going up though. :)

[keederdag]

semi-uzi=Boat weight:D

[cordex]

the Uzi w/ a 16in barrel is not sold as a rifle IIRC. You can't have a folding stock on a post-ban uzi and barrel length should not be an issue after the ban either.
We're talking about two different laws here.

If the semi-auto Uzi in question has a stock (folding or not) and a 16"+ barrel, regardless of anything else, it is considered by the ATF to be a rifle. You cannot replace the barrel of something sold as a rifle with one under 16 inches in length without registering it as a short barreled rifle. This is simply not under the perview of the AWB.

If the semi-auto Uzi in question is sold as a handgun, short barrels are already okay (although, as you mentioned, they can't be threaded). Not sure if Uzi pistols are allowed by the AWB, but that is not the point. You cannot buy an Uzi carbine and convert it to an Uzi pistol after the ban expires without violating federal law. I know it doesn't make sense, because a handgun can become a carbine (ala the Carbine Conversion Units sold for many handguns) but a non-machine gun rifle/shotgun cannot become a handgun.

[son of a gun]

Ask these girls
http://www.uzitalk.com/reference/pages/uzigirls.htm

[Hkmp5sd]

You cannot buy an Uzi carbine and convert it to an Uzi pistol after the ban expires without violating federal law.

You can convert an Uzi carbine into a SBR and not violate the AW ban. Given that the magazine attaches in the pistol grip, if you can keep the weight under 50 ounces, your one legal "evil feature" becomes the fact it is a semiautomatic version of a fully automatic firearm. Of course, you would have to remove the stock to meet the weight. Also to stay legal, it cannot have the foregrip either. It would be extremely ugly like the US made clones of the HK SP-89.

I'm not sure a SBR Uzi Carbine would be considered a semi version of a full auto. If it does not, you could exceed the 50 ounces.

[CleverNickname]

Of course, you would have to remove the stock to meet the weight.

Wouldn't that be illegal because the OAL would be too short? I would think you'd need to start out with a virgin receiver if you wanted to make an Uzi pistol.

[Hkmp5sd]

Wouldn't that be illegal because the OAL would be too short?

When converting a rifle into a "Short Barreled Rifle", there is no minimum overall length.

[cordex]

You can convert an Uzi carbine into a SBR and not violate the AW ban.
Yes, of course. I should have specified. But you cannot make a semi-auto Uzi carbine into a semi-auto Uzi pistol without registering it as an SBR, without even considering the AWB? Correct?

[keederdag]

BOAT WEIGHT:D

[MicroBalrog]

I think if I were a gazillionaire I'd buy Vector and start selling gold plated UZI carbines in a special postban AWB sunset edition...for a hundred bucks apiece.

What about a special postban NFA sunset edition?:evil:

[greenmountaingear]

Yes..I stand corrected :)

I talked w/ a manufacturer the other day and they explained how the post-ban rifle would be sold. Under this labeling, SBR rules would apply.

Sorry for any confusion I might have caused in the course of our discussion.

Rob

[355sigfan]

I think they're easier to aim than handguns. What about HK's USC?
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They are easier to shoot well compared to handguns. But try carring one inside the wasteband. A rifle is easier to shoot as well and it hits with real power. Sorry I have no use for pistol caliber longguns. SUbguns are fun in the rock and roll mode. FOr full auto fans they are not a bad choice. But I would rather save for a good 556 selectfire carbine like the Colt M4.

Pat

[Hkmp5sd]

But try carring one inside the wasteband.

Might have a little difficulty finding an IWB holster for it. :) I do have a shoulder holster for my M11/9 submachinegun that works quite well. I saw one a while back made for the Uzi. Since winter is coming, you could probably strap one on and conceal it easily.

[MeekandMild]

Greenmountain & Cordex, you can't buy a SMG barrel for an Uzi carbine. Although the two guns look a lot alike on the outside, the similarities are purely cosmetic.

I bought a $5 carbine dummy barrel for my NFA registered SMG so I could store it without the barrel and found that the diameter of the barrel is different at the collet. I checked this out at a gun show and found the back part of the barrel is totally different as well. Which is too bad, because I'd hoped I could buy a 16 inch barrel for the SMG...but it totally will not fit.

Carbine spare parts are cheaper than SMG parts, but all the ones that matter are different. Two entirely different guns, sort of like the traditional VW Beetle and the New Beetle.


Back O/T I thought of one other possible reasons for owning an Uzi carbine. Many states have laws against hunting with SMGs, so you could conceivably hunt coyotes or armadillos with an Uzi carbine, provided you plugged the magazine to the hunting-legal capacity limit.

What about a special postban NFA sunset edition? Micro, you lucky fellow, you can join the IDF and they'll give you one for free won't they?

[MicroBalrog]

Micro, you lucky fellow, you can join the IDF and they'll give you one for free won't they?

I'd rather be carrying an M-16 shorty - same weight, more power.:D

[Sunray]

"...I guess I'm kind of looking for a reason to get another one..." I want is reason enough. What does it matter what you do with it? It's a big kid's toy. Go buy one, before somebody says you can't.

[buzz_knox]

"I want it and the gov't has no authority to tell me I can't have it" is reason enough for me.