So I messed with a SCAR today.....


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Eightball
June 8, 2009, 11:28 PM
....and frankly, don't see where the money is on the thing. In an 18" configuration, it was lighter than many ARs, I'll grant it that.....but I still wasn't all too impressed for the $3000+ price tag at which the shop had it :what:. The stock felt....weird. Some of the latches and things didn't look like they'd hold up for a significant period. The adjustable cheek piece was pretty spiffy, though, I have to admit. Overall, the stock mechanism felt somewhat like ye standard 6-pos stock, so maybe it'll hold up better than I think. The charging handle also reciprocates with the bolt, so anyone who would otherwise use the thing for a CMP-ish match might break most of their fingers (depending on their hold). The integrated ambidextrous mag catch was intriguing, and the lower polymer half definitely took a few cues from an AR15 lower. The barrel seemed really thin, like an govt/R4 profile's "thin" part the whole length. I also noticed the complete lack of a bayonet lug.....are our troops moving away from that option? The BUIS were all sorts of funky, IMO. Like a mix between the PADS (PADI?) sight that is on the RRA Elite rifles these days and an HK rear sight's peep mechanism.

It was kind of nifty, really really light, really "adjustable"....but too freakin' expensive. Yes, that shop marks things up....but then again, they're the only people I know of who would even THINK about getting a few of these things in stock. Now, if the SCAR-H ever hits civvie shelves, and is just about as light.....THAT will be worth seeing.

P.S. I only got pictures on my phone's camera, which I cannot upload. Sorry. The receiver still has that freaky "gold" color to it, though.

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P.B.Walsh
June 8, 2009, 11:33 PM
I thought that the SCAR had a SAW barrel profile?

TeamRush
June 8, 2009, 11:45 PM
I didn't see the big deal when we fired them at the SHOT show either.
The guys were going on and on about how GREAT they were,
but I just didn't get it...

No more accurate than an AR or any other 5.56 service rifle,
and they had some ODD ways of doing things I didn't see why...

P.B.Walsh
June 8, 2009, 11:54 PM
USSOCOM, saw something special, wonder what it was?

HorseSoldier
June 9, 2009, 12:11 AM
It runs better with very short barrel lengths and with suppressors.

I really liked the SCAR the one time I got to put some rounds through one, but have an equally hard time justifying the price tag when it comes to purchasing a civilian one. For $1500, I'd have picked one up the day they hit the market. For $2000, I'd have one by now. But for the very high 2000s it's just a very hard sell . . .

dscottw88
June 9, 2009, 01:54 AM
It doesn't do anything my AR doesn't already do. And my AR does it all for 1/4 the price tag.

yongxingfreesty
June 9, 2009, 02:07 AM
it's for tactical folks

Jacka L Ope
June 9, 2009, 02:13 AM
it's for tacticool folks

Repaired... :D:neener::D

MarineOne
June 9, 2009, 02:24 AM
The charging handle also reciprocates with the bolt ......


Why anyone would do this is beyond me, but I can guarantee I won't be buying one.



Kris

yongxingfreesty
June 9, 2009, 02:28 AM
^^ lol, that's what I meant

Owen
June 9, 2009, 08:25 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Eightball
The charging handle also reciprocates with the bolt ......


Why anyone would do this is beyond me, but I can guarantee I won't be buying one.



Probably the same reason they did it on the M1, M14, AK-47, etc. It's simple.

H2O MAN
June 9, 2009, 08:39 AM
The SCAR is not getting the warm welcome that was expected...

CoRoMo
June 9, 2009, 09:37 AM
The receiver still has that freaky "gold" color to it, though.

The color alone makes me shake my head.

maskedman504
June 9, 2009, 09:49 AM
If we start fighting in Siberia, will they make one in white?

P.B.Walsh
June 9, 2009, 11:22 AM
Probaly not....., be very cool looking though..... :)

HorseSoldier
June 9, 2009, 11:41 AM
The SCAR is not getting the warm welcome that was expected...

On a good day, dealing with tabbed, badged, or whatever SOF guys is like herding cats. Neither the SCAR or anything else will make everyone in that community happy. The main comment I heard when I was still on active duty wasn't that the SCAR was bad, it was that a lot of guys didn't see any point in spending the money on a new rifle when the M4 worked just fine. Some guys said the same thing about the HK 416, etc.

Evil Monkey
June 9, 2009, 03:42 PM
Why anyone would do this is beyond me, but I can guarantee I won't be buying one.

While I have no proof of what SOCOM was asking for, I am confident that the reason they must have wanted a reciprocating charging handle was so that if the user had to assist the bolt forward, he would just slap the charging handle forward.

This is in contrast to other rifles using a non-reciprocating charging handle where a secondary function must be fulfilled before pushing the charging handle forward (ex: pushing in the handle toward the receiver to make contact with the carrier, then pushing the handle forward....)

It's easier to strike something rather then to manipulate it in a certain fashion. For what it's worth, the m4's forward assist is also great for a weapon with a non-reciprocating handle because all you have to do is strike it with the palm of your hand, instead of twisting and turning and all that other non sense.

SHvar
June 10, 2009, 01:53 AM
I think the 416 was a better choice for their purposes, and they saw that to. Its familiar, its almost the same as what they spend their career training on, alot less training is needed to adapt to it. Also Delta force helped to design the 416 for SF purposes. The SCAR was headed to the civilian market for the past few years, the military decided against it replacing the M-4.
Aside from this the military 416 upper fits an M-4 lower, and cost alot less than the SCAR, most SF units are buying 416 uppers with their own budgets. H&K sells 416s on contract for around $1000 each complete.

MTMilitiaman
June 10, 2009, 01:58 AM
Warm welcome?

At $3K, it obviously wasn't meant as a rifle for commoners.

Iansstud
June 10, 2009, 10:23 AM
can you change the caliber on this rifle??
When does the Masada come out?? or Bushmaster ACR?? last I heard was summer 09 and It was saposed to be multicaliber

HorseSoldier
June 10, 2009, 11:24 AM
Aside from this the military 416 upper fits an M-4 lower, and cost alot less than the SCAR, most SF units are buying 416 uppers with their own budgets. H&K sells 416s on contract for around $1000 each complete.

Some not most, and the ones we had carried their own problems with them. A 4-5 MOA carbine like the HK416s some of our ODAs had is okay for < 100 meter kind of work, but it starts sucking if you start pushing the range at all. (Some end users were literally impressed enough that they switched back to M4 uppers, if that says anything . . . not unlike the situation with HK's equally hyped wunder-magazine for the AR.)

Most people who consider the 416 the be-all, end-all solution haven't touched one, much less put it through the paces on the range or downrange.

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