[psyopspec]

THR has always attracted defensive shooters of all skill levels, but particularly new shooters, and even more so in recent months. I'm starting this thread in the hopes that we can pass along lessons learned from carrying, and I'm hoping everyone from newbies to long-time veterans will chime in if they have any tips. Idea being, maybe someone else can save on hassle, time, and money when they're just starting out by not making the same mistakes we did. That said, I know full well that my lessons learned from mistakes are going to be daily tactics for others. Just keep respect in mind, and remember that each of us have formed different habits... and barring any unsafe acts, there's really nothing wrong with that.

Here's what I would do differently if I was starting over:

1) Get a good leather gun belt. It's unfair to put any holster to the test if it's not supported by quality leather that will hold it in place and make carrying more comfortable.

2) Don't skimp on holsters. Forget the nylon "one size fits all." Know the difference between Kydex and injection-molded plastic. Know that there's a reason some companies charge more, and usually that reason is you get what you pay for.

3) The 5.11 Tactical Vest. :o Try not to laugh at me too hard on this one. I still wear it when hiking, camping, going on walkabouts, etc. However, for day to day urban use it looks out of place, makes me feel out of place, and having a holster in the lining of the vest makes it drag horribly to one side.

4) This one applies to a lot more than just guns, but the sooner you open yourself up to the idea that there's a lot you don't know, more you'll learn, and faster too. Never take one opinion as gospel on CCW issues, but realize that when certain people talk about certain subjects, their opinions ought to be given considerable weight. There's a lot more than one way to go about training and equipping to live a prepared lifestyle. Take in a lot - read, train, talk to others on the range, and see what they've got going on. Take the best of it and adopt it. Take the worst of it and orphan it. It really is okay to admit you don't know something and ask, or dive in and do your own research.

5) Take care of your equipment. Learn it inside and out. Spend a weekend afternoon breaking your pistol down to the guts and learning the components. Proper care and feeding means it'll be there for you when you need it.

6) Don't skip getting a .22 pistol. I waited about 5 years after I started shooting handguns to get one because I only wanted pistols that could serve "serious" purposes. Turns out I can spend a couple bucks for an afternoon at the range and get as much serious practice and fun as if I were shooting a larger handgun.

7) If you're going to use your range bag as a carry-on for flying, scrub it thoroughly for loose ammunition to avoid long and embarrassing delays at the TSA checkpoint. :banghead:

And what I'm glad I've done in my history of handgunnery:

1) Shoot a lot of guns. Throughout the time that I was a poor college student and could only afford to own one or two at a time, I was selling or trading a handgun every few months to try something new. I don't like having gotten rid of some good ones, but it was worth it for having gotten to try a larger sample of what's out there. Try the different types - DA/SA, revolvers, striker-fired, single action autos/revolvers.

If a shooter in the lane next to you at the range is showing safe habits, offer to let them try running a magazine or cylinder through your weapon; this will inevitably lead to him or her returning the favor.

2) If you buy a box or two of ammo every time you go through the doors of a place that sells it, you'll always have rounds on hand when you're ready to go to the range. I know this harder now than it used to be, but this too shall pass.

3) Have a dedicated range bag. Doesn't need to have a fancy logo on the side - mine is a yellow backpack that says Jansport. Keep your eyes, ears, targets, and stapler ready to go. You never know when you might get off work early enough to go plink.

4) Glocks blow up, SIGs have a high bore axis, Beretta locking blocks break, Ruger is anti-gun, 1911s are unreliable, and HK hates you. Get over it, and go with what works for you.

5) Shoot competitions. IDPA, IPSC, 3-Gun, Bullseye, steel. Get out and meet people interested in what you're interested in, test yourself, and have some fun.

6) Leave the range cleaner than you found it. If it's an outdoor range, bring a garbage bag and help clean up after the scum who's moms didn't teach them any better. A lot of good places to shoot are getting shut down because this, so even though it's utterly unfair, do your part to keep the sport alive.

[wvshooter]

Interesting post with a lot of good ideas. One of the things I would do different is I would not let my wife see some of the guns I have bought. Every time she sees one she takes it away and makes it her own. She does let me look at them sometimes and of course, I'm the one who has to do all the gun cleaning.

[B yond]

Good start! Here's my first contribution (I'll do some thinking and add more):

-If you're going to carry, buy and try many different carry rigs. IWB, OWB, paddle, belly band, smartcarry, shoulder holsters, safepackers, fanny packs, ankle holsters, belt buckle holsters, pocket holsters, and neck holsters all have their niche. You'll never know what works best for you until you buy it and try it.

[bestseller92]

Some good advice there. I especially agree with the .22 pistol advice. I learned how to really shoot (and hit with) a handgun by pumping thousands of rounds through a Ruger Single Six.

[Rockwell1]

The biggest mistake I made was telling DW's boss that I had a CHP. I walk into his office and the first thing he yells is 'Hi Bob, are ya Packin'?" If i had it to do over again I'd have kept my mouth shut

[Crow1108]

Rent before you buy. I've gone through 4 handgun trades to find one that suits me (a very costly experience).

[Isher]

Ummm

Time: Summer 1957

Place: Meteetse, Wyoming. I was tagging along beside my Dad in "downtown" Meteetse. When a pickup pulled along side the road. Guy gets out, starts to head over to the bank. Yeah, Meteetse actually had a bank.....more on that later. First word I hear is "****." My Dad holds up, and so of course I hold up. He's wearing a beat up old timey belt rig with the cartridge loops mostly all full and a pretty good sized revolver. I was too young to know what exactly the revolver was. What amazed me was the paint. There were good sized spatters and smears of Red barn paint, white paint, and sky blue (wife?) Paint pretty evenly distributed across his rig. So he unbuckles it, and rebuckles it loose, and hangs the whole rig on his driver's side rearview mirror, then heads into the bank to do his business. My Dad and I continue down the road.

If I was to recapitulate CCW,

That moment in Meteetse says it all for me. And about the bank........ legend has it that the last bank robbed on horseback in the latterday American West, was the Meteetse bank.

I don't know.


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[B yond]

-Get a couple of different size guns. Logic dictates that a CCWer should carry the most effective weapon he/she can conceal. The problem is, life (wife?) occasionally demands that we wear attire that is out of the norm for us. A weapon that conceals just fine in blue jeans and a baggy shirt might not conceal as well in a tuxedo. Occasionally, necessity requires us to carry a smaller weapon.

I'm allowed 3 weapons on my CCW. They are (in order of preference):
1. Ruger KP345PR (45 Auto)
http://www.lesjones.com/www/images/posts/kp345pr.jpg

2. Bersa Thunder 380 (380 Auto)
http://www.importacioneseagles.com/images/11-BERSA,THUNDER380.jpg

3. NAA Mini-Revolver (.22 Magnum)
http://www.50magnum.com/22mag.jpg

It is best to choose weapons with similar controls when shopping for CCW guns. My Ruger and Bersa have safeties and mag releases in similar places, are both DA/SA, and have identical grip angles. My NAA goes places no other weapon could. I could probably conceal it while wearing only a Speedo if I needed to. :cool:

[B yond]

-Prepare for the unexpected! If you're going to carry a weapon in public you should be able to clear a stoppage quickly and effectively while paying attention to a threat.

-Practice point shooting. A lot of people don't think point shooting is useful. At up-close SD distances it works, and the fraction of a second it saves could be the difference between going home and going to the morgue.

-Be proficient enough to pull off reasonably long aimed shots. Threats can come from all distances. I hike/camp/fish a lot and need to know that I can put an aggressive animal down before it gets close enough to endanger my family.

-Carry a reload. I shouldn't even need to explain this one.

-Know that a gun is not a magic talisman. The best way to stay out of danger is to avoid it all together. This is even more important when you have a deadly weapon on your person.

-Don't carry untested ammunition. Find your magic number and shoot that many rounds of a given type of ammo through your weapon without failure before you use it for CCW ammo. Each gun has its own appetite; they won't all eat the same loads reliably. My magic number is 200 for autos, 100 for revolvers.

[Mr.510]

-Start with an IWB. Get a quality IWB holster and hang it on a quality gun belt. Spend at least $150 on the holster and belt combo or you are destined to fail. If you've never carried IWB do not buy a holster that doesn't have a "sweat shield" - you need leather between you and 100% of your firearm. Kydex will tear up your hide almost as bad as a bare hammer spur! Don't be a wuss and give up after being "uncomfortable" for a week or two. The rest of us hung in there and got used to it, you will too. :) You're gonna have to buy new pants, get over it and do it NOW. There's a reason the vast majority of people that carry concealed handguns carry IWB: It works and it's extremely comfortable after your break-in period.

-Start with a major caliber weapon. If you're going to carry a gun, carry a serious one. Your break-in period getting used to an IWB is almost the same whether you are carrying a flat little .380 like a PPK or a big square hand cannon like my XD45. Might as well start with the .45! :evil:

-Don't worry about printing. Nobody is going to notice. Seriously. I've carried 24/7 for 19 years and nobody ever noticed... even when I wanted them too. Ok, don't stretch a skin tight wife beater over your Desert Eagle as someone might notice that, but probably won't.

-Don't drop your weapon on the public restroom floor. There are all sorts of nasty things growing down there! As you sit down on the "throne" hook the waistband of your underwear over the grip of your handgun. This will hold your gun in it's IWB comfortably against the side of your knee. Your weapon won't end up on the floor or low enough that your "neighbor" can see it and/or grab it.

-Ask questions! Got a question, concern, problem, or need a little guidance? Ask somebody! Most of us are here to try to help and learn from each other. Afraid you'll sound like a dork with your "stupid" question? PM somebody and ask them. Do a thread search, find a member that seems to know something about your general subject, and ask them. Example: Want to know what the best handgun caliber ever developed is? PM me and I'll tell you it's the 45ACP! :D

[JCisHe]

This is a great post...

[flipajig]

+1 on the great post..
my current ccw is a P95 with a iwb
FIST. holster i shoped for a verry long time before i found it on line. expencive but worth every dime. also my range bag is a old soft side tacle bag from cabelas. i got it for free a verry long time ago with a order. works verry well several zipper pockets to carry things. im curetley looking for a old bean bag so i can use if for sand bag filling works great and a whole lot lighter.

[Just One Shot]

If one gun is good then two guns is better. Having a backup can save your life!

[wormserco]

I started my gun purchases all wrong when I finally got into it years ago. I started thinking I wanted a little pocket gun and picked up a DAO 32ACP. Trigger was horrible, terrible sights, etc. I've carried my Kimber ever since I got it.. and I'll probably never carry anything else. Nothing against them but I don't like little pocket guns. Why I purchased that tiny firearm is beyond me.

My second mistake was getting into concealment clothing. I purchased an overpriced leather vest which just said "i'm carrying!" Loose untucked polo shirts do the trick for a lot less $$

I undersold myself on what guns to get originally. My first hunting rifle was a New England Firearms single shot break action 30-06 with a Barska scope. For not much more money I could have purchased a Stevens 200 or equivalent with a Nikon Buckmasters scope.

Research research research.. the key point I missed when getting into firearms. I jumped into the water too fast.

[CoRoMo]

Always carry some sort of a flashlight. Be it a tiny, cheap pen light or a large, $300 SureFire. You'll find out why you should have done it sooner, and you'll want a better quality one when yours takes a duke.

Get into reloading your own ammo ASAP! (not exactly ccw related) Stop thinking that it is a waste of time and money. It will save you both. It doesn't take a ton of money to start reloading one caliber. You don't have to go all out and dedicate a room of your house for it. I've seem members here who reload out of a duffle bag in their girlfriend's apartment while watching TV.

Buy more ammo. There is no such thing as too much, and you can literally use the stuff as currency when times are tough, or a Democrat is elected into the highest office.:p

[Vern Humphrey]

-If you're going to carry, buy and try many different carry rigs. IWB, OWB, paddle, belly band, smartcarry, shoulder holsters, safepackers, fanny packs, ankle holsters, belt buckle holsters, pocket holsters, and neck holsters all have their niche. You'll never know what works best for you until you buy it and try it.
Let me add, learn to make your own holsters. You are going to go through a lot of holsters until you find one that's right for you. And you'll still be thinking, "Why doesn't someone make a holster like . . . ?"

Carry a cell phone. If you're in a tight spot, a 911 call can sometimes avert a confrontation. If you are in a true self-defense situation, you want to be the first one to contact the police after the shooting stops.

[lawboy]

Great thread.

Be committed. That means remaining proficient with your carry gun. That means shooting regularly and training. That means, for many people, getting into reloading, and maybe casting so they can afford it. That means, carving out the time to reload and train and shoot. That means, giving up some other activities to get that time. That means, spending some of your money differently .... Owning guns to shoot recreationally only is a minor commitment. Carrying a gun daily in public, demands certain lifestyle characteristics. The good news is that there is a broad range of latitude in creating those characteristics and, it is worth it.

[Deanimator]

I'll never buy another IWB holster without a reinforced opening.

My first IWB was a Bianchi clip-on for my Glock 19. It was so hard to holster, that I was worried I'd accidentally shoot myself. I ditched it after a couple of days. I bought a Don Hume 715M and never looked back. I have them for all of my carry guns now, except my Chief's Special which rides in a Desantis pocket holster.

[RoostRider]

+1 on the dedicated range bag thing..... not only does it make going to the range easier....

I went to Jamaica a few years ago using my regular backpack (which I also used to go to the range).... I was stopped at the TSA inspection and asked lots of questions.... then they ran swabs through my bags and tested those.... then I had to take off my shoes (standard practice now, but not then)... then answer more questions.... then they let me go...

I got to my room in Jamaica and dumped my bag on the bed.... to my surprise a fully loaded cartridge fell out with my clothes...

I had 3-4 locals begging me to give them the ammo (it's illegal in Jamaica).... so I chucked it into the ocean.....

That was a close call that could have cost me my vacation....

[SharpsDressedMan]

Kudos to Psyopspec! You should lightly edit those, and put them into a format like the shooting rules of safety. We all could benefit from a nice list like yours, printed up, and handed out in CCW classes.

[Dogbite]

1. Do not skimp on the gun, or the ammo. Quality, quality, quality.

2. Always test your ammo. Always.

3. Get a good quality belt, and holster. You will end up with many holsters.

4. Don't get paranoid about people seeing your gun under your clothing. Nobody cares.

5. Know you weapon inside and out. Seriously.

6. Safety first always. I have been shooting 34 years, and never had an AD. Dad drilled it into my head-if 50 people check the gun, and hand it to you and say, its unloaded, check it yourself.

7. Your concealed weapon is your last, last, last, last, last option. Use your head. Leave your temper and ego at home.

[searcher451]

Practice with your carry gun of choice -- early and often. Practice in all kinds of conditions and all kinds of weather; practice day and night. Practice from time to time with a blindfold on, so that you can get used to loading and unloading in the dark. Practice with your off-hand. Practice with your right eye closed, your left eye closed; practice with both eyes open. Practice with all sorts of ammo, even after you've found the stuff that you like best: It's possible that you'll stumble on something that works even better. Practice until you run out of ammo; then buy some more and practice until you run out of that. Practice until the gun becomes a logical extension of your arm and your hand; then continue to practice.

Practice, in fact, as though your life depends on it.

[psyopspec]

Kudos to Psyopspec! You should lightly edit those, and put them into a format like the shooting rules of safety. We all could benefit from a nice list like yours, printed up, and handed out in CCW classes.

It's technically the property of THR since I posted it, but as far as I'm concerned re-edit and redistribute at will. Just include the link back here on any electronic copies, because I suspect this thread can get better as it grows. Some of what I posted I learned from certain members of this board. The rest was trial & error, and range buddies.

[tank mechanic]

1. Save every single piece of brass from every round that you shoot, even if you think that you will never get into reloading.

2. Keep a journal with all the rounds that you shoot out of each gun. It is fun to know how much you have shot in your life time.

3. Do not buy junk guns. This also applies to all gun gear.

4. Buy night sights for your carry guns.

5. Make every single shot at the range count.

6. Clean out the lint that accumulates in your CCW at least once a week. The insides of a pistols can get downright fuzzy when they are riding around in your pants all day.

7. Learn the proper way to lubricate a fire arm. A little bit of lube does go a long way.

[B yond]

Shoot to kill. The attacker will cook up a lie about you if you let him walk away wounded. And, he will return later and finish what he started.

Many disagree with that statement. Shooting to kill can get you into legal trouble just as easily as a lying survivor can. Remember, if the attacker doesn't survive to sue you, his/her family will probably sue you. Either way you're gonna face some legal problems. I think it's best to avoid the possibility of a murder charge if you can.

Shoot to stop. It's about stopping a violent attack, not about killing the attacker. We're not bloodthirsty gun nuts, we're people who take responsibility for our own safety.

[B yond]

-Wear shoes that allow you to move/run. It's best to avoid or evade danger rather than shoot at it.

-+1000 carrying a flashlight. Make sure it's one you can access and operate with one hand. If it's bright enough to blind someone, even better.

-Pepper spray. Fist fights aren't an option when you're carrying a loaded weapon. Pepper spray allows you to apply a certain level of force to create an opportunity to evade a threat that doesn't yet require deadly force.

[onlymeself]

The one thing I would do different, isn't a CCW thing, but might be beneficial to the new shooter.

My 14 year old son has been wanting a .357 revolver. He's a big boy, almost man sized, but I wanted him to start with a .22 revolver before getting a .357. Just like he got the .22 rifle before his 7mm.

So for Easter him and 12 year old son both got .22 revolvers in there baskets. One of the reasons we liked the idea for the revolvers is they will shoot anything you put into them, where the P22's are ammo sensitive.

The revolvers we bought are the kind where you flip open the side rotate the cylinder and use the rod to push spent brass out. Now we have never had an AD, but son somehow skipped a round twice, once when shooting, once when emptying the spent brass. Upon reloading he found it. It scared him a little for he seen the potential for disaster. His revolver was on safe, and he never pointed the muzzle at anyone, but he seen that had he not been following safety rules something terrible could have happened, when he thought his gun was unloaded. Drill safety into the kids, and going over the rules everytime we go to the range does work.

Anyway, what I would do differently... For a new, inexperianced, or young shooter, I would suggest a revolver where the whole cylinder flips out for reloading or for emptying spent brass. Then there is no going to fast, emptying brass, so skip a live round. Sure it probably could still happen, but I think it would be less likely.

One thing I do and won't change. Take your kids shooting! But everytime you go to the range go over safety!! Make a game out of it, who ever recites the most rules, and can explain why that rules is in place, gets to shoot first. Don't just tell them the rules, make THEM tell you!!

[Zach S]

Built my AMT Hardballer into a dedicated rimfire much sooner.

Got the VM2 when I was single (and had money - still don't have either).

[B yond]

-Study anatomy. I think it's helpful to know where the bullet has to go to disable a threat as quickly as possible. Even though the best you can do is often to aim for COM and hope you hit something important, it could be helpful to know where the important stuff is.

[NDGeek]

CCW - If You Could Do It All Over Again, What Would You Change?

How about not posting to threads started by people you know, in which you have nothing relevant to say?

Wait.. too late :)

[B yond]

How about not posting to threads started by people you know, in which you have nothing relevant to say?

Wait.. too late

Was that a bump?

This thread really should be stickied.

[Feanaro]

"Carry a flashlight/pepper spray" and "shoot to kill" are not ideas that make CCW easier for new people. Some of these are good points but I think newcomers would be better served by tips that saved them from common mistakes. Buying a good belt can save lots of grief and money. Buying a flashlight doesn't prevent you from wasting time and money. (It does allow you to blind friends and enemies for fun and survival, respectively. Not that I endorse doing this to your friends. Unless it's really funny.)

It's technically the property of THR

Only if you want it to be. Messages posted on a forum are copyrighted to the poster, unless some other agreement is arranged. There's nothing in the terms of use about releasing your copyrights, AFAIK.

[AKElroy]

4. Don't get paranoid about people seeing your gun under your clothing. Nobody cares.

When I first started carrying 20 years ago, I was obsessed with concern over being detected & I have a closet full of mouse guns to prove it. Now, I regularly carry a full size 1911 in an open top high ride OWB pancake under a light tee or polo shirt. Nobody notices. Nobody cares. Nobody pays attention.

[Philip Marlowe]

You are dead-on with a solid belt. A good .22 is another terrific investment.

I'd also avoid trying to dress, and then decide what I could conceal, instead of concealing and dressing around it...

[kyo]

I would have read more of the "how to shoot" books before I went to the range. I also agree on the holster/belt. I bought like 1 belt, 3 holsters before I figured it out. Now I have my 1 that fits, and the belt that fits.
I did skip the 22. Went from a 9 to a 45. I also went with ruger although they are "anti-gun" < lol.
Yea, be less paranoid but I learned it happens to all new people. Im pretty much over it now, and sometimes I forget its there.
oh and flashlights. I learned that one quick, keep one on you

[ir3e971]

I would say that when getting started you should take a hard, critical look at what you are willing to carry regularly. Especially if you do not have the resources to purchase multiple firearms for different styles of dress.

Choose something that you are likely to carry most of the time, in circumstances both formal and relaxed.

Try and balance effectiveness with portability. Otherwise you may find that you leave behind your CCW during rushed trips to the store, etc.

Also would suggest that for CCW your firearm should be somewhat utilitarian. Constant carrying will take a toll on showpiece weapons. Especially if you do work or activities where you can get wet or bang up against things.

[JPP]

I would have bought smaller and lighter carry guns.
(I will probably never carry the Sig P220C I bought)

JP

[B yond]

"Carry a flashlight/pepper spray" and "shoot to kill" are not ideas that make CCW easier for new people.

Gotta disagree with that in regards to flashlight/pepper spray. I do agree that "shoot to kill" is horrible advice.

Carrying a flashlight and pepper spray doesn't make ccw and harder. In fact, I think it's very important for a CCWer to carry both.

-A flashlight at night helps you to be aware of your surroundings, which could give you more time to employ your weapon should you need it as well as possibly providing you with early warning of approaching danger so you can take appropriate evasive action before deadly force becomes necessary. Personally, my morality (and state law) won't allow me to engage a target with deadly force unless I'm positive I have no other choice and will not harm innocent bystanders by doing so. A flashlight could help me to make that determination in low-light situations.

-Pepper spray is a good tool to allow you to escape a non-life-threatening situation where some level of violence is necessary but lethal force is not called for. I don't think physical confrontations are wise when CCWing, as you could lose control of your weapon. PS gives you an opportunity to spray and run instead of getting into a fist fight or drawing your weapon.

[lawboy]

There really is not a lot I would have done differently.
I bought good holsters and good belts.
At the time I started carrying I already owned at least 30 handguns so I had options enough for experimentation right in the safe, and I took advantage of that.
Like most people, I did evolve in terms of the guns I prefer to carry and I may continue to evolve in the future. I don't think that is a process you can end run no matter how much forethought you put into it.
All of that said, Maybe the one think I could have done differently is to immediately go to a short 1911 with alloy frame instead of taking the long way their via years of experimenting. But, then, had I don't that, would I really know how good a choice it is? I don't know.

[tinygnat219]

I'd have gotten mine sooner.

[cpirtle]

These are my suggestions, not necessarily what I'd do differently. I know they will probably hit a nerve with some people so keep in mind they are just my opinions..

1: Be committed to pull the trigger before you start carrying. I know people that have their permit that are still unsure that they could shoot if needed. If you need to decide when the time comes, it's too late.

2: If you are not willing to carry a 1911 cocked & locked with one in the pipe, consider a different choice of firearm.

3: If you are not comfortable with any pistol having one in the pipe consider spending more time with the gun to build your confidence or consider a revolver.

4: Practice clearing leather, deactivating safeties and "point" aiming more than shooting. All the range time in the world does you no good if you can't break leather fast enough or fumble with a safety. (ETA: I don't mean to imply that you should not also shoot a lot)


+1 on competing and I would even add CAS to the list of other shooting competitions. Anything with live fire, spectators, a competitive environment and a timer is going get you closer to the feelings you will have in a real situation than putting lead on paper in a casual environment.

[MisterMike]

I don't know if I'd actually change anything, but I think I've picked up or have been reminded of a few pointers.

1. Before you decide to carry concealed, make sure you understand the law, the potential liabilities, and, most of all, yourself. If you're a hothead, if people tell you you drink too much, or if you think that carrying a weapon will elevate you to a position above others, forget it. It is something for mature individuals, and if you screw it up you'll cost all of us.

2. Consider carefully the way you usually dress, the places you usually go, and the activities in which you usually engage before deciding on a gun and a holster. Discount 90% of what you read on line about the "best" self-defense caliber. Bear in mind that your ability to shoot a gun accurately is more important than any other consideration.

3. Before you buy a holster, read as many reviews of it as you can. But, also be prepared to try about a half dozen holsters before you find the one that works for you. A reinforced belt makes most IWB and OWB holsters work a little better; they look the same as a regular belt.

4. Practice. Remember that the more you handle your gun, the more likely you are to become complacent about handling it safely. Don't.

5. Never forget that your decisions with a gun have the potential to alter your life and others irrevocably. If you have a chance to de-escalate a confrontation, always do so. If you have a means of retreat or escape, always use it. If you have a chance to call the police to handle a situation, do it. Your gun is there only to defend your life and those of others whose lives you may be obligated or choose to defend, after you've made reasonable efforts to avoid its use. If you live a long life and never draw it in self-defense, you've done well.

[thales]

"Shoot to stop. It's about stopping a violent attack, not about killing the attacker. We're not bloodthirsty gun nuts, we're people who take responsibility for our own safety."

While "shooting to stop" seems like an attractive concept, the practical difference between shoot-to-stop and shoot-to-kill is nearly non-existent. First, the only reliable shoot-to-stop target areas, i.e., center of mass (heart/lung/aorta/spine) and head (brain/brain stem/spine) are also shoot-to-kill targets. Second, if shoot-to-kill is not morally or legally justified, then neither is shoot-to-stop: it is still deadly force.

If you waste precious time and probability of success in a life-or-death situation trying to shoot-to-stop while trying to avoid shoot-to-kill, you increase the likelihood of getting killed yourself. The use of a firearm in self-defense is not to intimidate or wound an adversary: it is deadly force. If you disagree with that notion or if you are not ready, willing, and able to use deadly force then don't carry a gun.

[Ed Ames]

The difference between homicide and murder is mostly intent.

So, do you intend to stop, or intend to kill? Think carefully. If you answer the latter, sell your guns.

[Vern Humphrey]

If you waste precious time and probability of success in a life-or-death situation trying to shoot-to-stop while trying to avoid shoot-to-kill, you increase the likelihood of getting killed yourself.
You miss the point, entirely.

From the actual mechanics, there is no difference -- you shoot for center of mass. And hence there is no delay.

But you always shoot to stop -- if your assailant drops his gun, falls to the ground, or turns around and runs, you stop shooting because his attack has stopped.

[orionengnr]

Excellent thread.
6) Don't skip getting a .22 pistol. I waited about 5 years after I started shooting handguns to get one because I only wanted pistols that could serve "serious" purposes. Turns out I can spend a couple bucks for an afternoon at the range and get as much serious practice and fun as if I were shooting a larger handgun.
Of all the suggestions, I believe this is the best, especially given today's ammo prices. I cannot tell you how much my shooting improved since I quit worrying about the cost of ammo and added 100 rounds of .22LR to begin every shooting session.

I also agree with the advice to borrow or rent as many different pistols as possible. I have bought and sold at least two dozen pistols in the last ten years. I wanted each very much, convinced that it would be "the one" but didn't work out for whatever reason. They span a wide berth from double-stack 1911s to P3ATs, from Glocks to Scandium S&Ws.

All have since departed the premises. None are likely to be invited back.

[Vern Humphrey]

My carry gun is a Kimber Custom Classic. I have a few more M1911-types, including an M1927 Argentine, with a Colt Service Ace conversion kit mounted on it. Long ago, I heard that the really good competition shooters tracked the front sight through the firing cycle. I didn't believe it could be done, but I began trying it with my .22 Conversion kit -- and by golly, it can. And it makes for really fast, accurate shooting.

I'd probably never have mastered that skill with full-charge .45 ACP rounds.

[thales]

"You miss the point, entirely."

No I don't.

"Second, if shoot-to-kill is not morally or legally justified, then neither is shoot-to-stop: it is still deadly force."

"if your assailant drops his gun, falls to the ground, or turns around and runs, you stop shooting because his attack has stopped."

If your assailant's attack has stopped, you are no longer morally or legally justified in using deadly force against him.

[thales]

"Long ago, I heard that the really good competition shooters tracked the front sight through the firing cycle. I didn't believe it could be done, but I began trying it with my .22 Conversion kit -- and by golly, it can. And it makes for really fast, accurate shooting."

This appears to be one of the key concepts of both precision and combat marksmanship. Thanks for mentioning it.

[LightningJoe]

Buy an aluminum-framed snubnose .38 first thing. Buy quality.

[metallic]

Be more selective about who you tell that you carry. It's pretty much an open secret in certain parts of the company that I work for.

Other than that, if you are a white color worker and wear dress clothes a lot then buy something that you'll be more likely to carry. I end up changing out of button up shirts after work so that I can conceal a mid-sized handgun. Sometimes if it's too much of a hassle or I'm in a hurry, I'll leave the house without a gun.

[Feanaro]

Gotta disagree with that in regards to flashlight/pepper spray. I do agree that "shoot to kill" is horrible advice.

I never said it was bad advice but having a flashlight/pepper spray doesn't make CCW easier. It's more Strategy and Tactics material. That's the forum for discussing things like "shooting to stop" and carrying a flashlight to ID targets. The point of the thread is to help people avoid common CCW mistakes, like the drawer full of holsters and limp belts. Confusing one line of advice with other issues is usually unhelpful, in my experience.

Carrying a flashlight and pepper spray doesn't make ccw and harder

I disagree, partly. If someone (like me) already has plenty of stuff they have to carry on their pants and then you tell them they need to carry a pistol, plus ammo, plus a flashlight, plus pepper spray, it begins to sound like a lot of stuff. I don't have a single pocket available and I can't wear pepper spray and a flashlight on my hip. Customers start wondering what kind of business you do. Simple is better for beginners.

[Samgotit]

Something I quickly learned:

1. Practice and Training are two different things. Seek out professional Training beyond a CCW class. Training is not range time or shooting matches, that's practice.

[Peter M. Eick]

Actually not much. About the only thing I would have done differently was get professional training and get a lawyer first and keep them on retainer.

I bought a good custom holster for a good carry gun and rarely change from it. Only when my 9mm is too big do I drop to a 380 and that is about it.

[Guillermo]

If I had it to do over again I would have gotten a reinforced belt.

Several people have mentioned that a good belt is critical. I have a Biachi leather belt which is good but the reinforced 5.11 Instructor Belt literally changed my life.

It is hard to express how much more comfortable it is to carry.

The weight of my daily carry (either a Kahr PM9 or a Colt Detective Special) is almost indiscernible. A full size 357 or 45 is more comfortable that a mouse gun on a regular belt.

I really wish I had known what a difference a reinforced belt makes.

Without question it is the best 30 bucks I ever spent on a carry accessory.

[gbran]

If I could do it all over again, I'd have just went out and bought a Glock 26 instead of buying/trying numerous ccw guns and ending up with the G26 anyway.

[kd7nqb]

1. Buy a good holster- we all say it, but many of us have made this mistake more than once. Its amazing we dont fret about spending 600 for a gun but gosh 75 for a good holster seems like a crime. (Until you wear it and understand)

2. Carry what suits you

3. Shoot every gun you can before choosing

4. Think about caliber

5. Talk to the guys who know a lot about this stuff, but still take everything they say with a grain of salt.

[bigfatdave]

-Don't ever take someone's advice on what gun will suit you as the only answer to your question. And the flipside - don't ever pronounce what gun will solve another person's problems.
-Practice some fun shooting every range trip. It builds comfort and familiarity with your chosen CC gun.
-Just go get the permit, dammit. We all know it is wrong that you need to do so, and we all know it is a pain in the rear, but having a valid CC permit means you have gone through the motions and declared yourself a law-abiding citizen that takes an interest in effective self-defense. So get off the computer and go get the silly class, and go visit the permit office even though it is beneath you to associate with law enforcement.

[DAVIDSDIVAD]

Has anyone mentioned the Wilderness Instructor belt?


In many ways it is much better than a leather belt.

the most important being that there are infinitely more points on the belt to lock up the buckle, while on a leather belt, there are 4 or 5 holes.

This allows you to get the belt as tight as you need i, and reposition your holster if need be (something I found myself doing in bathrooms or right after exiting my car) in a jiffy.

[KegCommando]

Learn from my mistake.

Don't live in a CCW unfriendly state.

[Deltaboy]

I would buy a J frame 38 snubnose style revolver.

[Clarence]

Order a Milt Sparks VM-2 at least 8 months before you plan on getting your CCW.

[jimk0512]

Always carry. And own at least one handgun that you can always carry. The larger pistol that could only be carried IWB got left behind when the clothing I wore that day didn't work with IWB carry.

[mrt949]

Try before you buy. I could have saved a lot of money.But when you buy get the best and practice .IT IS YOUR LIFE ON THE LINE.

[RDak]

I would try and change the law to allow me to carry while drinking!! :p

I'm kidding.......GEEZ!! :D

[B yond]

I would try and change the law to allow me to carry while drinking!!

I'm kidding.......GEEZ!!

Honestly, I don't have a problem with people responsively enjoying a drink while carrying their weapon.

I don't think people should be out in public getting hammered while carrying, but I don't think a drink over dinner with friends in unreasonable. It would be nice if the law agreed with me (it does in some states, just not the one I reside in).

Sorry to post off-topic. :p

[LightningJoe]

The question is about "If you could do it all over again..." It's not random, dumb advice. It's if you could do it all over again, what would you do differently.


I"d buy an aluminum-framed snubnose .38 and save the rest for long guns.

[B yond]

The question is about "If you could do it all over again..." It's not random, dumb advice.

Very HighRoad. :rolleyes:

If I could do it all over again, I'd get some advice instead of trying to figure it out on my own.
:neener:

[maniak]

+1 on psyopspec's
3) The 5.11 Tactical Vest.
It's a good vest, but a lousy holster. My experience with that (and most "concealment clothing") has not been good.

That having been said, of my literally dozens of "holsters," the one that probably sees the most use is my 5.11 "PUSH" bag (http://www.511tactical.com/browse/Home/Law-Enforcement/Accessories/Bags-Backpacks/PUSH-Pack/D/30100/P/1:100:10000:10900:10905/I/56037). PUSH = "Practical Utility Shoulder Hold." Whatever.

It easily accomodates sunglasses, pocket knife, (the oft-recommended) flashlight, book, MP3 player, my book, my wife's Kindle, a couple of beverages and an IWB holster for whatever pistol I've tucked into its (fairly) discrete, zippered CCW pocket. Tack on a MOLLE attachment or two, and there's room for a cell phone and a Leatherman.

A similar bag is the Maxpedition Versipack (http://www.maxpedition.com/store/pc/viewCategories.asp?idCategory=4): more sizes and great design, extremely rugged, but also very stiff material.

When I enrolled in my CCW classes I imagined myself as one day having a gun on my hip, and I guess I do; it's just in a purse about half the time and that I did not see coming. But it works.

Typically, when I carry a sidearm on my body, I go IWB in the small of my back. When I'm not sitting ... in a car ... that's the most comfortable and reachable place to put a concealed sidearm.

But most places I go, I drive or ride in a car. And IWB in the small of your back while driving or riding in a car, even with the sweat strap, isn't all that comfortable and it's still less accessible. With the PUSH bag, neither comfort nor accessibility are issues. I put the bag where I can reach and if the neighborhood is nasty enough, I unzip the CCW pocket. It's accessible and I'm comfortable while I'm en route; and once I'm on site, I can grab the pack or pack the piece.

Similarly, I'v found the easiest way to carry on a bicycle is to strap a SafePacker (http://store.thewilderness.com/product_info.php?products_id=18) to the handlebars. (Way better than the PUSH bag for this application. That thing nearly killed my shoulder on a 50-mile ride last year.) It's an easy one-handed pull while mounted, and easily slung over the shoulder when dismounted.

So I guess my advice to the newcomer would be: (1) don't reject any carrying option out of hand, and (2) it's okay to mix and match.

[m2steven]

Very good post. And this "but realize that when certain people talk about certain subjects, their opinions ought to be given considerable weight" is very important. I'm recently active in shooting after being out for over 35 years. I've made some recent purchases and my decisions were based upon what experienced people in this forum and a few others have stated. I've got several great pistols and revolvers because of advice I've read.

Also, I've been reading up on improving my aim. I read an article by Massad Ayoob concerning the importance of the front sight. I tried to take a couple of his insights to heart, and lo and behold - my shooting got better by about 25 percent (don't ask how I arrived at that figure - it feels like 25 percent).

Oh, on topic, I just got my first REAL 'tactical' gunbelt. I could hang my laundry off this thing. Maybe use it as a diving board. At any rate, all my holsters fit better on this belt. (I got this belt free with a pair of on-sale pants from LA PoliceGear). Good tip.

[jlg]

I would have gone ahead and bought a full size 1911 instead of a 4". Concealing isn't nearly as hard as I thought it would be.

[DAVIDSDIVAD]

I agree, jig.

Everyone told me to get a 1 inch barreled short grip 1911, but I have absolutely no problems carrying the full sized gun

[sm]

Nothing.
I am damn grateful to those I respectfully refer to as mentors and elders.

I was born in the last great decade and there was no "license" or "permit" issued, one carried concealed because "how raised-what you do".

In some ways we were better off not having the guns, ammo, holsters, belts, gear, equipment ...and Internet.

We did not have students looking for a guru, nor gurus looking for students.

By request, since some pm-ed me:

-It is not what you know that often allows you to survive, instead what you don't know that gets you killed.

-It is not so much what you carry as much as how you carry yourself.

-All any of this is, is doing the correct basic fundamentals over and over and over again.
Hence you cannot buy skill and targets.
When you mess up, it can always be traced back to one or more of the correct basics you did not do correctly.

-You may get knifed, shot, injured, maimed or dead. Just do so under your terms and not the terms of some other sumbitch.

-There will always be more evil out there, than one can have ammunition contained in a gun, and spare ammunition on person in which to deal with evil.
Accept this, and take prudent steps to not get into a situation. If evil does show make sure ever damn shot is placed.

-"Young'un remember always":
Be the firstest with the mostest - Gen. Nathan Bedford Forest, CSA

-Be nice to everyone you meet, even while you make a plan and backup plan to kill them.

-You want the lady or gent with the well worn gun to watch your back, and by the same token fear the evil toting a well worn firearm.

-Watch hands , just remember eyes are the key to the soul.

-There are three or so things evil does before he strikes, so watch for these.
[SouthNarc calls these "3 +1".]

In the same token do not do these things to let evil know your intentions.

-Don't look like prey, think like a criminal.

-Always always always keep an open invitation for Lady Luck to be involved in your life.

-We are gonna mentor you to be non conformist, rebel, unpredictable, non punctual, and to give perceptions you need to give. Evil knows the law, protocol and lesson plans and will be sizing you up, and will know your moves before you, if you are a conformist, predictable, punctual and you are what you appear to be.

-There will always be those better off and worse off than you. The same can be said in regard to there will always be evil with better skill sets and worse skill sets than you. The trick is to never get into a situation and find out -period.

-Action beats reaction.

-Plans go out the window upon being implemented.

-In a crowd you have two options: Retreat or Attack.

-When you find what fits you, get multiples of four.
One is primary, one is back up to primary, one is back up to secondary backup when primary is being serviced or being attended to and one is off site.

-Serious guns get a gold bead front sight -period!

-Rush a gun, run from a knife.

-Shooting and hitting is easy- front sight press. It all the garbage in your head that gets in the way. Shoot don't think.

-Know your guns and gear as if they were a body part. The only way for these to become like body parts is to shoot and take lessons with the damn things.

-Pay attention to the threat, not your damn gun and gear!

-Run what you brung.

-It ain't what you got, so much as attitude.
Play for keeps lest we have to bury your butt and we hate fancy clothes, ties, silly arse dress shoes, funerals and all that crap.

-Fair? Fair is cheating, and playing dirty in a fight, as we assure you evil ain't gonna play fair.

-Being young is fine and dandy, just to survive you need be like a old man /old lady that don't give a rip, and give 'em hell , as you ain't going down easy.

-A bigger person can always use a smaller firearm, whereas a smaller person cannot always effectively use a bigger firearm. So always keep this in mind with others in a home, or business setting.

-Always always always have a .22 handgun , as you never know if'n you gonna get No Recoil orders from a doctor, surgeon or physical therapist.

-What keeps a gun running is feeding, extraction , chamber and magazines if'n it a auto.

-Always carry a dirty gun, always.

-Quail, you gotta thing about quail which is good. There is a lot one can learn from quail to stay safe and how to deal with evil.


Thanks mentors, I miss you ...

s

[dkk73]

Awesome thread!

My thoughts:

(1) Take received wisdom, especially popular internet opinion, with a big grain of salt. A lot of the things and practices I finally found worked best were minority recommendations. A lot of the "best choices" I eventually made reflected my personal values and situation. The internet firearms community is chock-full of strong opinions, mob psychology, and people trying to identify themselves culturally through their choices (e.g. angrily insisting on the 1911 for people whom it doesn't suit... and I love the 1911). Also, numbers do not make correctness. The Glocks may not be a good choice for all people, either. Sort carefully, and consider the source.

(2) Be very honest with yourself about what works for *you*. The coolest, most exclusive and expensive holster might not be the one that actually feels good and conceals well. Even if some person insists you can conceal a BAR, maybe you can't.
Eg. my most-used and most-useful holsters are a simple cloth SmartCarry and an IWB AKJ concealco. Both were inexpensive and quick to obtain. And both work far better, for me in context, than my beautiful Alessi rig or the extremely popular C-TAC.

(3) Take practical training earlier. It's very helpful, even if you are the sort of person who learns well by reading and self-study. Few other situations will cause you to drill and practice to the same degree as a quality 2-day course.

(4) Be honest about safety. There's a lot of swagger out there. In reality, most people reading this are not really likely to get into a gunfight. So, it's probably important to concentrate on the real but unglamorous thought of negligent discharge. Figure out the equipment, habits, and mindset that will keep *you* from shooting someone accidentally. I read a lot of stuff about why I would be a bad person if I ever got a gun with a "safety" of any sort. But it ends up working much much better for me (chose the HK P7 ultimately, which dodges the issue in an elegant way).

(5) Buy a J-frame .38 earlier. So damn useful even if not very sexy.

(6) Try as much as possible in terms of equipment. I believe it's probably best to own only a few CCW guns, in order to maintain proficiency, but it's good to try a lot on the way.

(7) Skimping on quality, on the other hand, will only cause you to spend more later. ;) I would personally have spent less time considering teeny weeny mouse guns (hold the flames; they do have their place!)

(8) View caliber opinions with skepticism. What you like to shoot might be very different from what you think or what other people find. My wife likes the .44sp/mag. I like the 357SIG but hate the .40. I like the .45 but find the 9mm actually a very good choice by the #s, despite its "small size".

(9) Buy a good belt right away. It doesn't have to be expensive or huge, just stiff and of good quality. Today, all my belts are technically "gun belts" but they sure don't look it. ;) (e.g. 1.5" tapering to 1.25" inches)

[lawboy]

Nothing. I have enjoyed the ride.

[20nickels]

Get a good defensive knife to carry when you have to go somewhere where guns are prohibited. A large folder IWB is popular.

[B yond]

Get a Smartcarry and give it a chance. If it works for you you'll love it. If it doesn't they'll take it back and you'll only be out about 3 bucks for shipping.

I use one of the deluxe models when wearing sweatpants or similar loose pants. I can carry my weapon, light, wallet, spare mag, and folding knife in it without anyone knowing.

I wear it with blue jeans when I need to wear a tighter shirt that would expose an IWB, or when I'm going to be doing something active with my kid where I'll need to bend or roll a lot and an IWB would be exposed.

Slightly slower draw, but not bad one you practice a little.

I only wish I'd purchased one earlier. It's the only holster that can go some places. I could conceal a full sized hangdun wearing only swim trunks with this thing.

[rbernie]

I'm giving this a free bump, for a new round of readers to enjoy....

[razorback2003]

I would have never wasted money on two kel tecs and a beretta 22 tip barrel pistol. All had reliability problems. They were all traded for each other and one day i said...forget this...i'm getting a 642 38 Special that I can trust will not jam on me like these little pocket autos. Soon, I'll be getting my 642 back from S&W factory after they do a J frame action job for it. I can't wait to try it out. Great carry gun and will last a lifetime.

[Drgong]

It is more important on how you carry yourself then what you carry.

[Madcap_Magician]

I would have shot a lot more guns. Even spending money on rentals, I would have wasted a lot less money buying the five guns I've CC'd and ended up changing for something else.

[Vern Humphrey]

Me, I was issued an M1911A1. As an Adviser in Viet Nam, I attended occasional social functions where it was considered bad manners (by the Viet Namese) to carry a gun. Not being a fool, I carried my M1911A1 Mexican Style, and discovered before Jeff Cooper did that the M1911 is close to an ideal gun for concealed carry.

[CCWB]

Getting it sooner. Actually, the wait taught me a lot of different things from patience to practice. But honestly speaking, more competent professional training. It took me a few minutes of good instruction to be consistent with the grouping of follow up shots.

Also, CCW gear. I haven't spent a fortune, but I have wasted some money. Having 2 or 3 setups is good. You may have to change location of the arm do to style of dress. And having similar arms is a good idea. I normally carry an XD SC, but have also carried the 4", the KelTec P9 and the Taurus 605.

[CoRoMo]

I would have ordered my gun belt with an extra two inches in it. I forgot to add two inches for the IWB holster.:banghead:

Oh well, I could benefit from losing a couple inches from my waistline anyhow. Maybe I'll just exercise my way down to fit this thing.

[Vern Humphrey]

A few years back, my wife dragged me into a Men's shop and forced me to buy a suit. As I was being measured, I shoved my right hand into my waist band. The little girl taking measurements said, "Oh. You carry a gun.":D

[bigfatdave]

I would have ordered my gun belt with an extra two inches in it. I forgot to add two inches for the IWB holster.I had the opposite problem, I ordered with IWB in mind, and then lost some weight during the long, long delay from Beltman at the time.
If I lose any more weight, I'll have to pack just to make the belt work and keep my pants from falling down. After that, I'll need an IWB backup gun.

As far as things I've learned, I don't think I mentioned before ... drag your significant other along for the CC class and permit application. You might as well, it is better than doubling the time and hassle later.

[CoRoMo]

Wanna trade Bullhide Belts?:p

[1911GI Fan]

I carry a plain GI issue 1911 as my personal weapon. I'm a bit concerned about carrying a round in the chamber and the safety engaged. I wanted to know if anyone out there ever had one accidentally discharge with fingers "off" the trigger.

[bigfatdave]

1911GI Fan, you've asked the same question four times in four threads. If you're that uncomfortable or unfamiliar with the internal workings of your 1911, can you really call yourself a "fan"?

[1911GI Fan]

Dave, I only asked more times because no one answered my question. Yes I am a 1911 fan but also a fan of staying safe. All I wanted was just an answer to my question.

[Vern Humphrey]

I wanted to know if anyone out there ever had one accidentally discharge with fingers "off" the trigger.
The fact that no one has answered the question should tell us that no one has ever had such an accidental discharge.

[metallic]

I carry a plain GI issue 1911 as my personal weapon. I'm a bit concerned about carrying a round in the chamber and the safety engaged. I wanted to know if anyone out there ever had one accidentally discharge with fingers "off" the trigger.

I've never had it happen, never heard of it happening either. If you are this worried, maybe you should switch to a different platform? But if you are this worried with a platform this safe, I think you're going to have nagging worries no matter what you carry.

[Lakeshore]

Did wrong: Bought a couple of low end handguns (e.g. Taurus) before I learned that the law of "you get what you pay for" is still in effect.

Did right: Acquired several good .22 pistols/revolvers that I'm now enjoying in light of the centerfire ammo situation.

[1911GI Fan]

I do have a Glock 17 and keep one in the chamber. I keep it at home in case my wife needs it while I work at night. The Glock is a great weapon, but the Model 21 is a bit too big for my hands, and the 1911 is perfect. I carried one in the service but never locked and loaded. An old platoon sergeant of mine once told me never to carry one like that unless we were in combat, that's why I posted the question. Thanks for your input.

[ArmedBear]

Nothing.

I still want a high-end IWB holster, though what I have does suffice. And I'd like to figure out how to conceal my XD45 Service without tweaking my spine (I've been CC'ing smaller guns). But that's "want more" not "want to change".

But I didn't buy junk guns for CCW. I learned that lesson without having to conceal them.:)

[metallic]

I do have a Glock 17 and keep one in the chamber. I keep it at home in case my wife needs it while I work at night. The Glock is a great weapon, but the Model 21 is a bit too big for my hands, and the 1911 is perfect. I carried one in the service but never locked and loaded. An old platoon sergeant of mine once told me never to carry one like that unless we were in combat, that's why I posted the question. Thanks for your input.

That had nothing to do with the safety of the weapon, just military regulations having to do with the carrying of a sidearm. For what it's worth, that regulation still persists today :)

[TEXAS]

1911GI Fan- "I wanted to know if anyone out there ever had one accidentally discharge with fingers "off" the trigger."

How can you have a A D or a N D without your finger on the trigger? I don't understand.

Why don't you carry with a loaded mag, empty chamber, cocked and locked until you get comfortable with condition "1". If you never do that's ok, if at the end of the day you find the hammer down don't ever carry cocked and locked.

[1911GI Fan]

Texas, I was concerned about the possibility of a faulty safety system while carrying it concealed in an inside the pants holster. I guess I was so pre-occupied with the premise that anything manmade can fail. Since people started responding and allaying my concerns, I've already got one in the chamber and it's in condition one. Your idea was a good one and don't know why I didn't think of it.

[1911GI Fan]

I had an old 1911 accidentally discharge on me 11 years ago. I had racked the chamber, loading a cartridge into the chamber and was lowering the hammer, as slowly as I could, or so I thought. It blew a nice hole in the floor of my truck and the shock wave blew out my right eardrum and passenger window. I gave up on 1911's until a year ago. I was content with my Glock, since that's what my agency carries. I prefer the .45acp to a 9mm though. I thank all of you for your input.

[xmanpike]

Thats why you are supposed to carry it loaded on safety. The biggest danger to a novice 1911 user is thinking they should chamber a round and then try to lower the hammer. THAT IS A NO NO!!!

[1911GI Fan]

I found that out, and have had the constant ringing in my right ear ever since. I do have to admit that when a .45acp Hydra-Shok expands, it does some awesome damage, especially to disc brakes, LOL.

[TheProf]

1. Skip the .22 NAA mini revolvers.
2. Get a snub-nose revolver. Every gun owner needs one. Might as well pick the 642 (SW) right off the bat. I bought the 638 first...now saving for the 642 (hammerless version).
3. Instead of the LCP, get the higher quality Kahr .380. (Don't get me wrong...I love the LCP...but there is a difference in quality.)
4. The PM9 (Kahr) is the ideal CCW. (Stick with the 6 round and 7 round mags. Don't get the 8 round mag. It works better with what the factory had originally in mind...the 6 & 7 round mags.)
7. Before buying any type of alternate grips...might as well consider if you are going to buy a laser grip later on.

[ichiban]

If you carry a gun with safeties (like my 1911), check those safeties on a regular basis. I've had a grip safety break.
http://www.cylinder-slide.com/1911safetyck.shtml

[1911GI Fan]

Thanks Ichiban, that was great info. I'll do that.

[Dr_2_B]

There's not a lot I would have done differently.

1. Save $$$. Buy quality holsters from the start.
2. Perhaps I'd have bought fewer guns and more ammo... but I'm not entirely sure about this one.
3. Again, this one is on the bubble: Buy high quality handguns only. I.e. I love my Kel-tecs and Tauruses, etc., but if I ever were in a fight I'd want one of my Glocks or Sig or H&K or S&W or CZ.

[TheProf]

Here's a longer list that what I originally wrote...

1. "Always carry, never tell."

2. Think ahead of what you will need...and don't buy emotionally...but base it on your shopping list. (I know... I know... it less fun that way...but you will save $$$)

3. So...what do you need: a pocket gun, an IWB gun, a full size gun that will also function as your house gun. (You'll have to decide if you want to go with revolvers or pistols.) You really need to think about this...otherwise, you will end up with duplicates: LCP and Kahr .380; j-frame and PM9; 1911 and.... you get the picture.

Since the OP was asking about CCW guns, I wont mention the much important pump shotgun, .22 rifle, AK or AR, etc.

4. Invest in a good gun belt and holster. Yes, always use a holster, even when pocket carrying.

5. Did you know that a small piece of cloth stuffed over your pocket holster can really make that distinctive gun outline disappear from your front pocket. (Make sure that it doesn't interfere with the trigger guard!!! Obviously, you want a pocket holster that completely covers the trigger.)

6. Always buy one more box of ammo than you will use in the range.

7. Buy a safe and bolt it down.

8. Don't buy dark jeans. (Buy light blue jeans instead of dark blue jeans.) When you pocket carry and "print"...that "printing" becomes permanently etched in your jeans. You'll know what I'm talking about when the jeans fade around that area.

9. When buying IWB holsters, make sure that there is a "sweat guard"...so that the pistol does not directly touch your skin.

10. Oh...when IWB carrying...also wear a belt...even if your are a skinny guy and can get away with IWB carry without a belt. Wear a belt. (If you leave your fly open by accident and suddenly your front waist button becomes unfastened...not only will your barn be completely open....but your carry gun will come tumbling down the floor. This is embarrassing...especially if it happens in the mall.) (Don't ask....)

11. Yes...I said buy quality holsters... but the most expensive ones are not always the correct one for YOU. My $12 IWB holster works better than my $70 IWB holster.

12. And don't skip quality when buying guns. Get the best that YOU can afford.

13. Skip the .22 mini revolvers and derringers.

14. For really small pocket guns: LCP, Kahr .380,

15. For slightly larger pocket guns: Kahr PM9, SW 642