Best 7.62x39? SKS vs. AK other options in 7.62.39?


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Mt.Traverse
June 9, 2009, 11:52 PM
What rifle and manufactures do you like and why, in 7.62x39?

For example New Sagia for $899 or Yugo issue new for $499.?

Of course I'd like to hear other options, as if I could stop it from happening.:)

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Quiet
June 10, 2009, 12:18 AM
Currently, the RAAC Saiga-7.62 (non-converted) should cost you around $500. At around $900, that Saiga-7.62 better be converted.

Mt.Traverse
June 10, 2009, 12:38 AM
Ah... question... Converted from what to what?

Killermonkey21
June 10, 2009, 12:42 AM
Converted means changing the rifle from a sporterized stock (read: bolt action rifle style) with a trigger to the very rear of the receiver, to the traditional AK pistol grip style. Most people do conversions to change a good, quality, Kalashnikov into a more traditional looking AK.

Do a search on youtube for converting the Saiga and you'll get the picture.

TheWarhammer
June 10, 2009, 12:46 AM
Converted from its original configuration to the more traditional "AK battle rifle" configuration. Here's a site with a pretty good step-by-step walk through of the process: http://www.cross-conn.com/Saiga_Conversion/

Before:
http://www.cross-conn.com/Saiga_Conversion/images/Saiga_Before.JPG

After:
http://www.cross-conn.com/Saiga_Conversion/images/SaigaHG.JPG

Mt.Traverse
June 10, 2009, 12:48 AM
I was not aware, thanks.

maskedman504
June 10, 2009, 12:53 AM
The SKS is a great option for its price point: generally more accurate than an AK, you will tend to fire less rounds per range session (fixed magazine vs. detachable), less expensive than an AK and you get a bayonet (this speaks volumes ;) ). The SKS is a great introduction to the 7.62x39 and, in my experience, you will get a rifle you can truly enjoy. You won't be saying, well, I got it for XXX, so it was a good deal, you will have an attractive semi-auto carbine that you will appreciate.

http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc99/maskedman504/SKS-sbscopy.jpg

Mt.Traverse
June 10, 2009, 12:58 AM
You guys rule.

Great thoughts and photo of the SKSs.

Seems like a good reliable rifle and a value. But... it's not black and plastic.



Great Saiga photos. The Saiga looks like a good rifle pre-conversion as well as after. I assume, pre-conversion has smaller capacity mag, what other negatives? Or to be more clear what advantages does the conversion bring. I don't think I need a folding stock or a 30 rd mag.

maskedman504
June 10, 2009, 02:21 AM
A pre-conversion Saiga has a trigger with many more components than the standard AK configuration; the main draw of the Saiga is that is is a rifle that can be purchased relatively inexpensive and conveted to the standard AK configuration without spending an arm and a leg while maintaining the reliability of a Comm Block weapon

TeamRush
June 10, 2009, 03:08 AM
RUGER MINI 30 is probably the most reliable of the 'Alternatives',

And I have an AR-15 that uses AK mags/drums and fires 7.62x39mm... Does that count?

Lloyd Smale
June 10, 2009, 06:48 AM
Ive got a mini 30 and its a pain to find good mags for it. I just ordred a bushmaster ar in 762x39 and cant wait to run that one.

R.W.Dale
June 10, 2009, 07:40 AM
For me it's the AR-15 platform in 7.62x39mm

see my sig links and my posts in both matches sticking at the top of rifle country

woad_yurt
June 10, 2009, 08:31 AM
I like the Norinco SKSs, myself. Below is my Paratrooper or Cowboy Companion; it's one or the other. It was sold under both names, it seems. It's so handy and light that it's almost like handling a .22. I have no need for a bayonet so this one's perfect.

http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee150/woad_yurt/SKS_Paratrooper_01-1.jpg

Shear_stress
June 10, 2009, 08:51 AM
I know I've mentioned this in other threads, but you might take a look at the VZ-58. It is an extremely fine rifle.

Matrix187
June 10, 2009, 11:32 AM
The AK/VZ-58 guns have the advantage of having detachable mags obviously. But, the SKS from my experience is a bit more accurate (nothing significant though), lighter weight (atleast norincos are), cheaper, and it forces you to fire less ammo usually. Both are really reliable. It's kind of a wish wash. Both are great guns and the only real practical difference is the magazine design apart from the different weapon design.. I have both, and I like both alot. My norinco sks 20" is more of my beater gun/camp gun, and my AK is my COOL gun.

For an SKS I recommend any Norinco since they're so light, or any Russian. EVen though Yugo SKS's are nice they're heavy and have the gas port thingy doodle. For an AK-almost anything is good IMO, besides WASR's and even those still work OK.

Mt.Traverse
June 10, 2009, 12:14 PM
The question was rooted in an attempt was to understand the different rifle types for this round/caliber. With the goal of finding a rifle to be different and compliment the AR-15 platform. I wanted to look at different ammo(caliber, source and availibility) different op. system, different reliability and performance. Of course each has their area to shine. Had I thought about it more fully I would have stated this in opening thead question.

Truth is the SKS wood appeals to me, the para/cowboy looks awesome and Norincos sound like sweet operating rifles. But I'm bias by what I already own. I have plastic and love it, but the wood... and still a mean looking gun, and price, good.

Sounds interesting to me. What else do we admire in 7.62x39?

Thanks gentlemen.

and yes,

AR-15 in 7.62x39 counts. Under other cool options.

tkcomer
June 10, 2009, 12:37 PM
Well, I had the SKS. Not that accurate. At least for me. Sold it. Got a Mini-30. Not a bad gun but wanted something new. It's for sale. Right now my go to gun is a AR-15 type gun. I put the lower together myself. Double Star receiver with the A-2 stock and a RRA trigger. Upper is from Model 1. I use C-Products 10 round mags and they have performed flawlessly. I'm still working on my reloads, but getting better. And I can swap the upper and shoot 223s when I want. Here are a few pics of the gun: http://www.pixagogo.com/4825444121 Click on a pic to make it bigger, then click on Original at the top to really blow it up.

Al Thompson
June 10, 2009, 01:20 PM
Huge SKS fan here. FWIW, the Norincos are going for about 350.00 around here. To me it's like power tools - each has their good points and bad. The SKS seems to be an excellent product at a price point. As an example, you can get two used Norincos for what one Ruger Mini-30 costs, or maybe (careful shopping) three for what an AR costs.

maskedman504
June 10, 2009, 01:36 PM
I wouldn't mind a CZ 527 Carbine in 7.62X39

http://www.impactguns.com/store/media/cz_527_carb.jpg

KingTiger
June 10, 2009, 01:43 PM
Pre-Ban Colt light weight Sporter in 7.62x39.

armoredman
June 10, 2009, 03:47 PM
For just out in the bush rifle, backpacking rifle, I think the CZ 527 is a great choice - put a bug in some important ears about having a well known respected mag maker to make some 10 or 15 round spare mags for the 527...just a thought... :)
Right now my choice 7.62x39mm is my VZ-58, accurate, lightweight, reliable, great handling, low recoil - I could shoot this rifle all day long if I could afford the ammo!

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b13/armoredman/vZ58attherange.jpg

Nosidda Zneas
June 10, 2009, 07:18 PM
7.62 x 39's are all great in my humble opinion:evil:

left to right: Romanian Ak-47, Norinco SKS D-model, Yugo SKS suped up, My keep it original Yugo SKS, ans my lonely Mav. 88 with a knoxx stock

they are all great in this caliber!:D

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2448/3615349452_b5b02bcdca_o.jpg

i love my ak

but recently i have found an affinity for my sks's, balls on accurate balanced and solid made puppy's

plus you make them Socom like
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3308/3614531111_4fcd9db8ba_o.jpg

seanie!
June 10, 2009, 07:41 PM
I'm a big fan of the Australian International Arm (http://www.australianinternationalarms.com.au/product.htm)s M10-A2(the second from the top). The only problems is they're harder than a mother to find.

AK103K
June 10, 2009, 08:23 PM
The Saigas are a Russian AK made by the factory that makes the rifles for the russian military. They actually "convert" them to bring them into this country, you have to "convert" them back if you want what it was.

Some of the conversions are closer to the originals than others. This is one done by Krebs Custom Rifles. Its one of his versions of the AK103 with a chopped down barrel and permanently attached brake.

http://im1.shutterfly.com/media/47b7d700b3127ccec27fca21194600000010O00CYuWbdo5bsQe3nwk/cC/f%3D0/ps%3D50/r%3D0/rx%3D550/ry%3D400/

Quiet
June 10, 2009, 10:18 PM
I'm a big fan of the Australian International Arms M10-A2(the second from the top). The only problems is they're harder than a mother to find.
There's one for sale on gunbroker atm.
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=130988029

Shear_stress
June 10, 2009, 10:36 PM
The AK/VZ-58 guns have the advantage of having detachable mags obviously. But, the SKS from my experience is a bit more accurate (nothing significant though), lighter weight (atleast norincos are), cheaper, and it forces you to fire less ammo usually.

The AK and Vz.58 are completely different designs. The Vz's gas operation and locking mechanism actually share a lot in common with the SKS's. Both have a short stroke piston and tilting bolt. Plus, the Vz.58 with a loaded magazine actually weighs slightly less than an unloaded SKS. In my experience with both, I'd say the Vz.58 is a bit more accurate, but that may be due to ergonomics more than mechanical accuracy.

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