commy ammo.. 1970-1980's


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xbox360
June 10, 2009, 02:32 PM
how come here is still commy ammo still being sold from the 70-80's did they make like 1,000,000,000 of ammo cases? I still see this stuff sealed in tins. :confused:

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rcmodel
June 10, 2009, 02:39 PM
Ever hear of the Cold War?

Everyone was preparing for another world war between the free world and the communist world.

It begin immediately after the end of WWII, if not before, and ended with the collapse of the USSR in 1991.

So, for about 45 years, everyone was stockpiling everything they could in preparation for the "big one".

The communist countries were converting their whole GNP to war materials.

Afterward, all they had to live on was the sale of the surplus war materials.

rc

bfoosh006
June 10, 2009, 11:19 PM
As far as I my way of thinkin'... the Soviets were in the middle of a war (Afghan) and trying to supply as many Commie friends as possible. A few dozen cases of ammo( and the rifles to go with it) will go a long way in destabilizing a region. Heck of a lot cheaper then sending in your own troops.

xbox360
June 10, 2009, 11:28 PM
why did they make them all corrosive? I cant understand, Its FMJ but corrosive:confused::confused::confused: know that if your in war you dont have time to clean, I dont want to buy a mosin nagant and be shooting corrosive ammo.... Can this stuff harm you if you touch it? like lead?

Rubber_Duck
June 10, 2009, 11:31 PM
Corrosive primers have a longer shelf life, useful if you're stockpiling millions of rounds.

Can this stuff harm you if you touch it? like lead?

Of course not, what a ridiculous thing to ask. Lead doesn't harm you either if you touch it briefly.

bfoosh006
June 10, 2009, 11:37 PM
And.... Why change all the machinery, etc..if you don't need to...

bigfatdave
June 10, 2009, 11:37 PM
You do know that most modern primers are releasing lead, don't you?

The corrosive" ammo isn't so dangerous that it will melt through steel floors like in Alien with Sigourney Weaver, but it will accelerate corrosion in anything exposed to the combustion gasses from the primer/powder.

The nice folks at the Box O' Truth (http://www.theboxotruth.com/) did a good article on dealing with corrosive ammunition. Perhaps some searching before panicking is in order.

xbox360
June 10, 2009, 11:42 PM
I might get some they say its best for grouping ..??

xbox360
June 11, 2009, 12:33 AM
Its way cheaper than new stuff

atakawow
June 11, 2009, 02:03 AM
Surplus ammo will NOT give you the best groupings. You are comparing mass produced ammunition to match grade ammunition, no comparison.

They are, however, very inexpensive to shoot, especially the mil surp 7.62x54R. Powerful round, big boom, accurate enough, and dirt cheap. What more could you ask for?

If corrosive ammo is what preventing you from having fun with a rifle like the Mosin Nagant, then all I can say is you got some expensive hobbies.

GeorgeF
June 11, 2009, 01:58 PM
know that if your in war you dont have time to clean

Thats also not true - you generally have plenty of time to clean. Talk to anyone who has been involved in war and they will tell you actual combat is not that long or frequent and even larger battles will have lulls.

A great example is the treatment HBO gave to 'Band of Brothers'. Those guys were stripping and cleaning their weapons whatever chance they got. THAT gets drilled into you in boot camp. Keep your weapon clean.

Robert
June 11, 2009, 02:10 PM
I fire 1950's Yugo corrosive ammo in my K98 all the time. Accurate enough and I got one heck of a deal on it a few years ago. 900 rounds for $90. Don't walk around sucking on a corrosive primer and you will me fine. And as far as cleaning goes, I run hot water down the bore till I can't hold the barrel anymore and then clean as usual. Oh and it's Commie...

CoRoMo
June 11, 2009, 03:17 PM
did they make like 1,000,000,000 of ammo cases?

Untold billions if not hundreds of trillions of rounds.
I doubt that any formal inventories were ever made, but I'd be interested to hear what kind of number the best guessers could come up with.

Weren't there something like half a billion Kalashnikov rifles made during the cold war?

xbox360
June 11, 2009, 03:50 PM
So as long as I clean it RIGHT AFTER I SHOOT, Its safe to use?

lipadj46
June 11, 2009, 03:55 PM
All surplus commie ammo is corrosive (or should be assume to be). The AK is simple enough that it is easy to get all the nooks an crannies to clean it properly. Water is best to rinse the corrosive salts but it you use it make sure it dries and you oil it. Hoppes is good for corrosive ammo also as it has alcohol in it that can dissolve the salts..

Onmilo
June 11, 2009, 04:14 PM
I ain't so sure aboit that surplus ammunition not being accurate.
I had some East German 7.62X39 ammunition that was just as accurate as Finnish Lapua.
My Romanian Tokarev pistol shoots nearly on par with some of my match target grade handguns using surplus Romanian 7.62X25 military ammunition.
As for being corrosively primed, who cares!
I clean my firearms after shooting them and a little hot water, some Dawn dish soap poured down the barrel then a couple patches soaked in solvent, then a dry patch, then a couple patches soaked in some Windex, dry and oil and no problems with corrosive ammo.

Rubber_Duck
June 11, 2009, 05:48 PM
Weren't there something like half a billion Kalashnikov rifles made during the cold war?

Not quite. The number is actually 60-100 Million (nobody knows the exact number of millions but it is A LOT of AKs).

Robert
June 11, 2009, 07:39 PM
So as long as I clean it RIGHT AFTER I SHOOT, Its safe to use?
There is nothing unsafe about the ammo. My K98 sat for three months one time before I was able to clean it after shooting. Long story. When I opened the action there was "stuff" growing on the bolt face and in the bore. After a good rinse with hot water and detailed cleaning you would never know the difference.

sharkhunter2018
June 11, 2009, 08:18 PM
Just buy it and don't make a big deal about it. There's nothing wrong with it.

Clean the rifle properly and it'll be fine.

_N4Z_
June 11, 2009, 08:33 PM
OT here -

Correct spelling is commie.

Used in a sentence - Pinko commie bastards.


Seen these folk first hand on border duty, OP-Alpha, Fulda W. Germany, 1986. Felt bad for the commie radz on the other side of the fence. They always looked so rag tag and wanting. Imagine they are much happier people now selling us all their unused ammo. :D

maskedman504
June 11, 2009, 09:00 PM
The World Bank estimates that out of the 500 million total firearms available worldwide, 100 million are of the Kalashnikov family, and 75 million of which are AK-47s.[30] Mikhail Kalashnikov addressed the United Nations in 2006 at a conference aimed at solving the problem of illicit weapons, saying that he appreciated the AK-47's role in state-sponsored defense but that counterfeit weapons carrying his name in the hands of "terrorists and thugs" caused him regret

Source:

Worldbank. Post-Conflict Transitions Working Paper No. 10. Weaponomics: The Global Market for Assault Rifles. Phillip Killicoat, Economics, Oxford University. April 2007

United Nations Conference to Review Progress Made in the Implementation of the Programme of Action to Prevent, Combat and Eradicate the Illicit Trade in Small Arms and Light Weapons in All Its Aspects. New York, 26 June-7 July 2006

So about half a billion AK type weapons, with roughly 75 million actually being true AK-47s.

Ky Larry
June 11, 2009, 09:07 PM
I shoot commie ammo in my commie guns. Someone told me that Windex was good for cleaning so I've used it for years. Don't know if this is true but I've had no problems.

-v-
June 11, 2009, 09:24 PM
The corrosive primers both flash hotter and have a longer shelf-life. That's why com-block ammo is bearden-primed with corrosive primers, to ensure maximum reliability of the ammunition, and minimum chance of hang and mis-fires.

Also, long shelf life non-corrosive primers are actually a fairly recent innovation in firearms. If wiki is to be believed it was only in the early 1990's that non-corrosive primers that approached the reliability and shelf life of corrosive primers hit the market.

As for the 'corrosive' part: The primers - when they combust - create various salts NaCl, KCl, etc. that deposit in the bore, action, etc. and by their nature pull moisture out of the air. This causes little salty water droplets to form inside the gun, which accelerates the rusting process, greatly. Left unchecked it will harm and or destroy a firearm. However, for that to happen, it would take years if not decades.

Simply put, if shooting corrosive ammo, flush the gun with good ol' H2O, dry it off, oil it up, and you'd never be the wiser. Windex is also a good choice, as the ammonia in it will self-dry the firearm, or better yet is rubbing alcohol (say 50% concentration, to save costs), as it will also flush the salts, and then dry up.

Al Thompson
June 11, 2009, 09:46 PM
Really nothing much to it. I do find that a funnel and a tea pot full of boiling water works best. I have used the Windex, no problems.

BTW, I think it's the water that dissolves the salts, not alcohol. The 50% solution alcohol works (like Windex) as it's self drying.

xbox360
June 11, 2009, 11:43 PM
ok I will remember that :) must buy this ammo :p

lipadj46
June 11, 2009, 11:52 PM
BTW, I think it's the water that dissolves the salts, not alcohol

Alcohol is a polar solvent and will dissolve salts, water is more polar and thus better but alcohol will work too. That is why gun cleaning solvents can dissolve corrosive salts and still have oil in them, it's the alcohol.

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