Springfield Armory M1-A Scout or SOCOM 16


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Crowman
June 10, 2009, 07:15 PM
I am interested in getting either the M1-A Scout or SOCOM without the funky rails. Anyone have one who can offer some insights? What is a good scout scope for this weapon system?

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LoneStarWings
June 10, 2009, 07:31 PM
I went with a scout myself, I think the 2" in additional barrel length is worth it, ballistically. Both are fine rifles.

I went with a Burris 2x-7x-32mm pistol scope w/ electro-dot for my scout mount. I like the setup, and with QRW rings I can take it on and off at will to use the iron sights. I average about 1.5 MOA with match ammo from a bench rest. All parts are stock springfield, after about 1000 rounds I get a failure to fire/feed/extract about once every 200 rounds for various reasons. I clean about once every 150 rounds.

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c55/LoneStarWings/M1A.jpg

Voland
June 10, 2009, 10:02 PM
What are you going to be using it for? The odds are that you really will not even need the scope if you are under 300 yards. These rifles have the best iron sights... I have a scout and absolutely love it!!!

V.

H2O MAN
June 10, 2009, 10:08 PM
funky rails :scrutiny: ;)

Get the Scout.

I had mine bedded in Walnut with all sorts of other National Match mods... it was very accurate with iron sights.
Are you anywhere near Athens, GA?

http://www.athenswater.com/images/ebrbuild.JPG

danbrew
June 11, 2009, 12:05 AM
I have the Socom II and the iron sites are fantastic. I wouldn't buy this version again - all the rails hanging off the end are heavy and stupid. I suppose I could put a RIS bipod on the end and be happy with it, but I typically just leave the bottom of the rail system off of the gun.

:)

paochow
June 11, 2009, 09:00 AM
Go with the Scout, it uses the standard gas system, and you have cheaper options if you decide you want to change out the muzzle brake.

Gunfighter123
June 11, 2009, 11:42 AM
They are very close to the same -- you are loseing about 75 fps with the SOCOM -- I own a Socom 1 and it has the least recoil of ANY .308 battle rifle I've ever owned.

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b199/Jailbird123/DSC00871.jpg

glockman19
June 11, 2009, 12:29 PM
Another Scout pick here.

Onmilo
June 11, 2009, 02:03 PM
Scout, the extra barrel length does pay off.
http://www.fototime.com/2F1B11199B1AC15/standard.jpg
http://www.fototime.com/42C697FEF448DD2/standard.jpg

P.B.Walsh
June 11, 2009, 02:16 PM
Scout.

How does that vertical wooden stock work for you Gunfighter123?

Nice rifles everyone.

Crowman
February 5, 2010, 09:51 PM
Thanks guys. Will go for the Scout model. Plan on using Iron Sights, and have it as a vehicle gun, either mule or truck.

geevee55
May 19, 2010, 04:52 PM
I am new to the SOCOM 16, would the Burris 2x-7x-32mm pistol scope or any other good scope work on the 16? I need it for hunting at 100-150 yds. thanks for the input.

stiletto raggio
May 19, 2010, 04:55 PM
I have a pistol scope on my Guide Gun and had to mount it far up on the XS rail. The Standard SOCOM has a short rail and I would not think your eye relief would be correct for a pistol scope.

geevee55
May 19, 2010, 05:00 PM
I would like to get maybe 1x-6x magnification. any suggestions?

CoRoMo
May 19, 2010, 05:01 PM
...would the Burris 2x-7x-32mm pistol scope or any other good scope work on the 16?
Yes. Ideally, you'd go with a rifle scope, but Burris makes some good stuff.

geevee55
May 19, 2010, 05:08 PM
I will check their website. thank you. any other suggestions?

frankd4
May 19, 2010, 06:14 PM
Do your self a favor and look at the FNAR one hec of a rifle in 308.

geevee55
May 19, 2010, 06:23 PM
Will do. Thanks. I am waiting a a really good deal on the 16 but in case it falls through I will also evaluate your suggestion.

bpl
May 19, 2010, 10:52 PM
I'd get the scout myself.

crazed_ss
May 20, 2010, 12:04 AM
Scout.

Z-Michigan
May 20, 2010, 12:05 AM
Scout, because the SOCOM uses a funny gas system and because a 16" barrel marginalizes the performance benefits of a .308 compared to a 7.62x39mm.

VA27
May 20, 2010, 12:54 AM
SOCOM 16. The Leupold Scout Scope works fine on one. Recoil on a par with the AR15. Velocity loss is negligible. HSM 150gr Police load out of the SOCOM has the same velocity that NATO ammo does out of the full length M14 barrel. Win, win.

AH-1
May 20, 2010, 05:16 AM
http://www.m14tfl.com/upload/showthread.php?t=84141

The only parts that are specific to the SOCOM are:
gas lock/muzzle brake
barrel

http://www.m14tfl.com/upload/showthread.php?t=82238
real data from a socom.

now go find a 7.62X39 thats going to lauch a 150 gr fmjbt bullet at 2600 fps

geevee55
May 20, 2010, 05:53 AM
This is a great forum. Lots of good input. Tough call on which to buy.

MTMilitiaman
May 20, 2010, 01:27 PM
Both are fine rifles. I love my M1A Standard Loaded but if I had it to do again I'd get the Scout. The Scout has the best combination of balance, size, and ballistic performance, IMO. I've been intrigued by the SOCOMs but prefer the Scout.

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