SAGE EBR Installation


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paratroop23
June 12, 2009, 03:45 PM
I'm looking into purchasing a SAGE EBR. How hard is it to install it? I've heard that it can be pretty extensive......Is there any truth to that?

Thanks.

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dscottw88
June 12, 2009, 03:56 PM
H20 Man will be along shortly, he knows all there is to know about M1A's and M14 varients. Amazing rifle if you ask me, But I like the looks of the KISS plain-jane vietnam era rifle as appose to the tacticool bling bling of the newer models.

H2O MAN
June 12, 2009, 04:08 PM
It's fairly simple and straight forward. Removing the original op rod guide is the toughest part.

PM me your email address and I will forward the instruction in a PDF


Have you been here yet?

The History and Development of the SAGE Enhanced Battle Rifle (EBR) chassis stock system (http://www.athenswater.com/M1A_Scout_Squad_EBR.htm)

ea105
February 8, 2010, 09:22 PM
Hey Guys:

I bought a loaded M1A couple of months back and am also looking to purchase an EBR stock in the next few days. I've been scouring the internet for installation details and I almost have all the info I need.

The only part of the installation process that really troubles me is the removal and re-installation of the flash suppressor, since I noticed that Smith Enterprises sells a special alignment tool.

Since I'll probably end up installing the stock myself, would you recommend that I buy the aligner, or is alignment not a real issue? Furthermore, are there any other specialized tools, apart from the special Castle Nut Pliers, that I should buy?

Thanks in advance for your help.

soggydoughnut
April 7, 2010, 04:49 PM
New poster here. I am also looking at building up a rifle off of the Sage EBR CQB stock and was wondering if there were any 'definitive' books I could pick up on the subject. I'm not nearly as familiar with the M14 as I am with say an M4 and I don't want to bombard H2O Man and the others with a plethora of questions that are so simple no one has ever even asked them. Many thanks.

Maverick223
April 7, 2010, 05:46 PM
^H2O, you hear that, soggydoughnut doesn't want to bother you, but wants you to write a book. :scrutiny: JK, and welcome to THR!

:)

soggydoughnut
April 7, 2010, 06:04 PM
HAHA, you found me out! No, it just seems silly to ask questions like do I need a rear lug, etc... Akin to asking a mechanic, "Do I really need tires on my car?"

Maverick223
April 7, 2010, 06:50 PM
That is something that I know a little about; you don't need a rear lug, just like you don't need tires. :uhoh: ...uh...I mean you don't really need a rear lug but some say that it helps with accuracy. Honestly I doubt it makes a big difference, but then again I'd heed the resident expert's advice.

:)

soggydoughnut
April 7, 2010, 08:06 PM
Sage was helpful, though slightly cryptic...

"2. You would have to find a machine shop that would do the machining needed for the rear lugg to fit in the stock.
3. Our EBR stocks will fit any M1A with a Standard or Medium barrel-only. NO Heavy barrels or Rear Lugg Receivers."

Seems almost like they are saying, yeah, buy one with a rear lugg and then have it machined off because it won't fit, but make sure you buy one with it. The question about the barrell relates to how I guess they used to make 5 and 6 bolt stocks and only the 5 bolt ones would fit medium barrels, but I guess they have moved to the 5 bolt exclusively, now.

Maverick223
April 7, 2010, 08:40 PM
I believe they are saying that the chassis can be hogged out for the rear lug, not to chop it off. Additionally I believe they still make a variant that will accommodate an HBar. I assume that the above information was from their site, not from an E-mail, otherwise I'd take their word for it. Either way i'm sure that H2O will set you straight.

:)

soggydoughnut
April 8, 2010, 10:50 PM
I'm sure H20 gets bothered enough, probably by every person with a dial-up connection and at least on piece of an M14. I went ahead and ordered "The Complete M14 Assembly Guide" from Amazon. I know very little about the whole system as oppossed to an ar-15 system, which I'm guessing this book will at least help with some. Hopefully I'll be able to get everything in my hands before someone notices people are running around with "dangerous black rifles" again. :o

Onmilo
April 9, 2010, 11:50 AM
I replaced the dome head hex drive screws that came with the SAGE stock for heavy duty hex drive cap screws.
I trashed one of the dome heads because the Operating rod guide had a misaligned hole and I had to redrill and rethread the hole.

Other than those minor issues, the assembly is fairly straight forward.
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ea105
May 3, 2010, 03:09 PM
Hey soggydoughnut:

Sorry for replying so late. If you order a stock with 6 bolts, it will not fit a medium barrels. However, the one with 5 bolts will fit fit standard and medium barrels. I actually had to send back the handguard because it would not fit my medium barreled m1a. As for the difficulty of installing the EBR stock, it was easy for the most part until I got to removing the op rod guide. It's funny when they say "tap softly with a brass drift" to break the piece loose. I ended up using a full blown hammer to both remove the op rod guide and to install the new one. In the end though, the hours of banging and frustration were worth it.

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