[MP-44]

Any info?

[Triad]

From BerettaUSA (http://www.berettausa.com/feature_products/index.html#cx4storm)
The Storm is coming... Designed to meet the needs of law enforcement, the new CX4 Storm is also excellent for sport and home defense. The fixed barrel design and long sight radius (12.9?) make this gun inherently accurate. The cold hammer forged 16.6? barrel is chrome lined for maximum corrosion resistance and increased barrel life. The 5 ¾ 1b. weight and overall length of 29.7? make this Carbine light and compact. Semiautomatic blowback design is simple, rugged and reliable. Field stripping can be done simply and quickly without any tools. High strength techno polymers were used to reduce the weight, increase corrosion resistance, eliminate problems associated with metal finish wear, and achieve an affordable price. Cross-bolt safety, magazine button and bolt-handle are easily reversible for right or left-hand use. Even the ejection can be switched from right to left and back without the need of tools or additional components. Firing pin and hammer block prevents movement of these critical components until the trigger is pulled, and a bolt safety will not allow the bolt to cycle should the carbine be dropped or struck against an object.

Once again, Beretta teamed with internationally renowned Giugiaro Design to study the ergonomics and style the firearm. Rounded forms are snag-free, modern and innovative. Rubber stock comb provides a comfortable rest for the cheek. Magazine is inside the grip, protected from impact and the environment. Controls are very similar to those found on our popular 92FS pistols, so most shooters will be immediately familiar with the operation of this firearm. Length of pull can be lengthened in .6? increments, from 13 ¼? to 15? by adding one to three stock spacers (one provided). Multiple sling attachment points allow a multitude of carry options. Retractable forward accessory rail extends out from the fore-end, allowing quick mounting of tactical light or laser unit. Hard mounting points allow the addition of various accessories, including side, top and bottom ?Picatinny? rails. These will accept optics, tactical lights. lasers and vertical grips. One side rail included. Front post sight is adjustable for windage and elevation, while the rear ghost ring sight has long and short-range apertures. Both sights are protected by rugged ?ears? and may be folded down when optics are used.

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?postid=61181 http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?postid=61174

[Skunkabilly]

Great. Another evil firearm I can't own because it's too dangerous for me.

:cuss: :cuss: :fire: :banghead: :banghead: :cuss: :mad:
:cuss: California.

[Triad]

Well Skunk, you could always come to the USA.:p Looks like a real nice carbine.

[Swamp Yankee]

Any idea as to price?
Will it accept Beretta 92FS Mags?
Take Care

[Skunkabilly]

I need to get out of here.

[MP-44]

If it accepts Beretta 92 mags ( hi-cap ) how can they import it for civilians?

[Swamp Yankee]

MP-44

I thought about that too. Could they get around the ban if they imported the parts and assembled in their US factory?
Take Care

[Tamara]

If it accepts Beretta 92 mags ( hi-cap ) how can they import it for civilians?

The same way they import Glocks and Berettas and HKs and SIGs and Saigas and Romaks, I guess...

[Redlg155]

Looks like they designed a new magazine for the weapon.

If you look at the top one that looks like a non police model you can't see a magazine baseplate. A closer look reveals a "scalloping" or relief cuts to aid magazine removal, indicating a flush fitting magazine.

The bottom picture looks as though it has an extended magazine, no doubt for LE applications. If they imported it only capable of recieving 10rds but manufactured higher capacity restricted magazines for LEO/Military only I think it could meet the restrictions.

Also, just looking at the high ejection port in relation to the trigger guard makes me think that a relatively long magazine is used. If it used 92 mags I would think the ejection port would be much lower.

Pure speculation of course. :D

Good Shooting
RED

[Skunkabilly]

The .45 model only takes 8 rounds, perhaps they use Cougar magazines?

[Tamara]

Why wouldn't you be able to buy it in California? I don't see any evil features... :confused:

[craigz]

I really don't like the internationally renowned designs of the latest Berettas, such as the Neo (?) and this thing. Too Buck Rogers for me. I would consider getting one, though, if it was cheapish and took 92FS mags.

[Rocko]

The same way they import Glocks and Berettas and HKs and SIGs and Saigas and Romaks, I guess...

Well... as for the glocks, berettas and HK's, I presume you are refering to pistols. This gun is considered a rifle, so different set of rules. Since you mentioned the HK's.... look at the SL8-1 and USC. Both use proprietary mags that only hold 10 rounds - neither work with the "original" mags for the G36 or UMP, even though the mags themselves are unavailable to civilians in the US.

As for the Saigas and the Romaks - the Saigas also use proprietary 10 round magazines. Many people convert them to use stanard AK mags, but in order to do this legally, they need to swap out so many (six?) imported parts with US made ones, such than the entire rifle is considered US made. More than 10 imported parts (particular parts as defined by the ATF), and it is considered imported. Same thing for the Romak - the Romak-3 only accepts 10 round mags. The Romak-1 and -2's may have accepted AK mags, but that was before the ATF reclassified what considered as "sporting". You see, the 1968 GCA banned import of "non sporting" firearms, but left the definition of what is sporting to the ATF. Thus, they can change it on the fly, without any new legislation. After the 1968 GCA, NFA items were the only things considered non-sporting. This pretty much stayed the same until 1989, when Bush Sr. issued and executive order essentially forcing the ATF to alter their definition (actual legislation - 922(r) followed this, which made it illegal to reconfigure an imported gun to an unimportable configuration - between the original EO and Nov 1990, you couldn't import a gun with certain features, but as soon as it was in the US, you could simpy and legally convert it back). Since then, they've changed their definition several times.

Rocko

[firestar]

I like it! It would be great if it took M9 mags though. Why does every gun have to have a different mag?

I would have bought a Vertec if they used 92fs mags also.

[Tamara]

After the 1968 GCA, NFA items were the only things considered non-sporting.

Actually, after GCA '68, the ATF declared all military surplus guns "unsporting" until FOPA '86 re-opened importation to military surplus guns that were C&R eligible...

Remember pre-'86, when a real No.5 Jungle Carbine was $800?

What I'm wondering is if anybody knows if the CX-4 even is imported or if it is made for US sale at their factory in MD?

[Sven]

Tam:

Detachable mag, pistol grip... plus, it's BLACK. The CX4 just reeks of 'evil terrorist assault weapon', don't it?

-sven, hoping he can get one in CA

[agony]

Don't they consider that a thumbhole vs a pistol grip?

I for one, want one, simply because I have a few M9 mags laying around collecting dust. And one neat feature...the reversible ejection port!!!!! Lefties unite for group sigh of relief.

[Hoploholic]

The ATF has ruled that a butthole stock is a pistol grip...go figure.

[Triad]

I think this is made in their US factory. I have no facts to base that on, but it looks like it was designed specifically for us, so why not make it here?

[ajacobs]

I have read several reports that says it uses berretta pistol mags.

[Will Fennell]

I've checked with sources at BERETTA USA, and it does take existing pistol mags.....9mm-92 mags, .40-96 mags, and the .45 takes Cougar mags.

[Hoploholic]

If it takes preexisting mags I may be in for one. The thing is so ugly its pretty...sorta like that U22 sitting in the safe. I will have to get the U22 carbine first though.

[Skunkabilly]

I think this, the Benelli Nova, and a Neos would make a great combo :D

[CAP]

OMG that's ugly, but interesting.

Skunk, your always into that retro stuff aren't ya. ;)

[Marko Kloos]

I guess I need one to complete the Giugiaro Trifecta. I already have the 9000S and the Neos, so I guess I need a CX4 to make the set complete.

[Sven]

You'll fit right into the next Matrix movie.

[fantacmet]

I know it has been awhile for this thread, but the CX4 Storm, with an adapter WILL accept 92 mags, and courger mags, as well as one other pistol mag, in addition to it's own mag. Each type requires an adapter though. There are two types of adapters, one on the magazine and one on the rifle. The difference here is the one on the rifle will let you use the normal mags or ONE of the other types. Using the adapter on the mag though you can use them all. This was done intentionally to save potential buyers money and to promote sales among owners of the aforementioned pistols who may already have a large number of spare mags for their pistols. It makes tactical sense. All your spare mags will work in either your pistol or rifle. Affords you a reasonable amount of extra ammo without being overloaded. Always a good thing. I plan on getting one myself, probably my next gun to be honest. That or a 1911. OH THE CHOICES. Price ain't bad, right around 600.

Rev. Michael

[Stiletto Null]

$600 could get me an SU-16CA, though.

[Leonardo]

Some of you may prefer this one... :D

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v512/leonardo00/BerettaRX4.jpg

Rx4 Storm

The Rx4 Storm is a self loading semiautomatic rifle conceived for "Small Game Hunting". The physical attributes of the new Rx4 Storm rifle are versatility, modularity, reliability and ergonomics.
Auto-regulating gas operating mechanism is situated close to the chamber in order to use the hotter and higher pressure gases that are cleaner and result in less fouling.
The locking system is based on a rotating bolt head with three massive lugs that work simultaneously to ensure a greater effective locking surface.
The Beretta Rx4 Storm rifle features a single action firing mode. The short and light single action trigger pull allows for faster, more accurate follow-up shots.

[3006mv]

Saw one on the web it has a rifle stock instead of the pistol grip but who knows when it will be available.