Splitting America And Suffocating Liberty Will End The Vision


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2dogs
October 20, 2003, 07:47 AM
Here's a cheerie outlook for a Monday:

http://www.armedfemalesofamerica.com/crosshairs/splitting.htm

THIS I BELIEVE: SPLITTING AMERICA
AND SUFFOCATING LIBERTY WILL END THE VISION


By: Dorothy Anne Seese


This is most certainly something no patriotic American who has lived through all the wars since Pearl Harbor would have any desire to write. There is just no other conclusions at which I can arrive from all the news items, the dot-connecting, the legislation, the political corrects mind/speech control imposed since 1992, and the involvement of America in everything against which our founding fathers warned.

On or about December 22, 1992, a geo-political map of the future divisions of what is now America appeared in The Arizona Republic, the major newspaper in Arizona. Many people doubtless looked at it and scoffed -- more professors of political science howling at the moon.

On this map of the future of the geographical area now encompassed by the United States were several regional political entities. Roughly, what is now the USA was chopped up as follows:

The southwest and Texas would become part of Mexico or at least a chiefly Mexican nation-state. We now call it Aztlan.

Northern California, Oregon, and Washington, along with parts of Idaho and Montana would become part of a Pacific Rim coalition, aligned with the Far East.

The South would become a black nation much like any other African nation.

The midwest and northeast would be all that remained of America.

Simply making a judgment as to the future of America based on a single geopolitical map would make no sense were it not for the events that have transpired since that publication, which may still be in the archives of The Arizona Republic. I tore that sheet out and kept it, but in three moves since that date it has either been lost or buried among stacks of papers still in boxes.

Nevertheless, at the rate of American legislation and judicial decrees burying our American heritage and creating more laws than anyone can count, most of them oppressive, opposed to American tradition and anti-Anglo or European (anti-white), the decrease in the ratio of European Americans to other ethnic groups residing in the US, the refusal of the government to halt illegal immigration across the southern border, and the political unrest in America due to continued racial tension, our nation is being destroyed one segment at a time.

The voice of the people of America has not been heard by elected representatives, paid by the nation's taxpayers, for a generation or more.

Our universities are filled with traitors to the American vision, its history and idealism.

Gross immorality is being taught to children who are too young to comprehend the nature or consequences of what is called, by federalized teachers, an "education" where the focus is on altering the minds of the young rather than developing them.

Science has run amok, experimenting with everything from DNA and the human genome to weather control and cloning of animals and people. One side of the scientific world is trying to prolong human life while the other side is creating virulent pestilences to annihilate it.

Crime, violence, perversion, treachery, special interest groups, politicized judges and justices, enormous personal and government debt, new sicknesses to replace older ones, the resurgence of once-controlled diseases, shortages of water in critical areas, and an array of mixed messages are combining to make once peaceful life in America a living Hell, a nightmare of uncertainty and fear.

Therefore, this I believe:

The US has passed the point of no return when it comes to restoring the Republic. We are an illusion of the America we were, and the illusion is maintained by our government to hide the truth from the public.

The executive branch of government is totally in control of what occurs in America, with the exception of the rampaging CIA, which answers to no one other than the shadow rulers whose incredible fortunes are directing America's future apart from any participation by the people who vote.

Foreign wars will continue, and American opposition to them will grow as the expense in lives and money grow too burdensome for Americans to bear. This will contribute to civil unrest.

When the government finally crosses the line of admitting that the Republic no longer exists and the Constitution and Bill of Rights are no longer the law of the land, violence will erupt to restore the Republic, but it will be too late to do much more than kill the patriots who want America restored.

Lawlessness, civil disobedience, chaos in some parts of the country, open rebellion in others, will cause the controlling interests to institute a form of martial law, particularly against those who are ordinary American citizens and in particular, of European origin.

At that point, a weakened and bankrupt American government will be willing to deal with Aztlan, the black South, and the Pacific Rim countries (including and perhaps mainly China) for the division of America into the segments noted on the geopolitical map of 1992.

There will be crises. Food shortages will occur due to disruption of farming, particularly in California and Florida, which will be part of other political entities. Transitions to a new map of what was the US into its various segments will be bloody and destructive. Manufacturing as we know it has largely left America, and what is left will be divided among the geopolitical entities or shipped overseas to join its brethren.

Health care will become nearly non-existent and what there is will be federalized, if there is any "federal" government -- as opposed to merely a ruling junta -- to administer it.

The American dream will be reduced to mere survival, with many citizens attempting to take refuge in other countries but lacking the requisite funds to relocate.

American assets will be sold by the ton to other nations and what is left will eventually come under UN control.

The greatest nation on earth has sown the seeds of its own destruction by violating every principle of liberty set forth by our founding fathers, and is reaping the devastation they foresaw should we do what we have done.

This is a bleak and pessimistic picture. But even twenty-five years ago no one ever heard of "political correctness" or thought of such legislation as the USA PATRIOT act. This kind of downward spiral to Hell is increasing in both speed and power at a rate unknown in this nation's history.

No nation that has once lost its freedom has ever regained it and remained the same nation. Just as the great Roman Empire broke up into segments, many of which are now Arab/Islamic countries, so can America be divided and conquered by its invitees.

Some call this multiculturalism or globalism. It goes beyond that. It is the destruction of the last bastion of the freedom we preach but do not live. If we are anything to the world, it is a target for destruction, not a light for liberty. Not now. Not ever again.

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cuchulainn
October 20, 2003, 08:53 AM
This sounds like a variation on Joel Garreau's Nine Nations of North America from the early 1980s

Preacherman
October 20, 2003, 09:17 AM
Louisiana for the Cajun Nation! (And expatriates...) :D

El Tejon
October 20, 2003, 09:23 AM
Aaaaah, we're doomed, doooooomed, I tells ya.:rolleyes:

Look, Dorothy, don't get your pretty little head all frazzled. The Northeast tried to do this, Andy Jackson stopped it before it started. When the South committed treason, we stopped it.

This country is socialism's last train. We'll stop it here as well.:)

DaveB
October 20, 2003, 10:44 AM
Thanks for posting this. I had no idea...

The southwest and Texas would become part of Mexico or at least a chiefly Mexican nation-state. We now call it Aztlan.

It's the brown-skinned people! :mad:

Northern California, Oregon, and Washington, along with parts of Idaho and Montana would become part of a Pacific Rim coalition, aligned with the Far East.

No! It's the Yellow Peril! :fire:

The South would become a black nation much like any other African nation.

Wait! No! It's the darkies. :what:

db

cloudkiller
October 20, 2003, 10:48 AM
I laughed so hard at this article.

What an idiot, and a racist ignorant one at that.

matis
October 20, 2003, 11:06 AM
You can scoff all you like, fellas & gals.


While I don't agree with everything she writes here, I think she basically gets it right.


No nation lasts forever.


Historically the great powers were not so much conquered as they weakened themselves (as we are doing) and then self-destructed. Only then did the "barbarian hordes" prevail.


Can you refute what she says about departing from the basic principals and values upon which this country was built?

And if she's correct about that can we (or anyone) really avoid the consequences?


Can you swim in the sewer and come out clean?


There were voices in pre-WWII Europe who appealed, exhorted, BEGGED! the Jews to see what was coming, to arm themselves, to flee to (what was then) Palestine. Read about Vladimir Jabotinsky.

Since Jabotinsky stirred more anxiety than the sheeple were willing to experience, they instead ridiculed and vilified him. They listened instead to those (like rabbi Baeck) who soothed them and told them the sinister cloud of Nazism would pass.

It passed alright, didn't it? And it took most of them with it.

There were even some concentration camp inmates who escaped and made it back to their towns (which were now ghettoes). When they tried to tell the others where they had been and what they had seen, the sheeple refused to believe them. Some were even killed for trying to communicate the truth.


It is said that the truth will set us free. True enough.

But first we must be willing to face the truth.

If you read history you will find that very few are willing to face it.


Can Dorothy and her map forecast the EXACT path we take to our destruction?

Of course not.

Is she basically correct?


I wish she weren't -- but I believe she is.



matis

DaveB
October 20, 2003, 11:06 AM
How can you call her an idiot?

She looks like everybodys Grammy.

Well, at least every white guy's Grammy...

db

cloudkiller
October 20, 2003, 11:35 AM
One of the greatest traditions of American social critique, particularly from the right, is to over-romanticize our history.

Dorothy's writings are basically rehashings of the same "we are all doomed" writings that came during every period of social transformation in our history. We were doomed because of the civil war, doomed because of public education, doomed because of women's suffrage, doomed because of the new deal, doomed because of hippy's and pot, doomed because of gays and doomed because of Clinton.

The funny thing is that what people today cite as "the good old days" was, at the time, invariable considered the time the end of civilization by people who felt dislocated and alienated!

Immigration is a really funny one because most of us have immigrant ancestors who were considered "Inferior" by those of colonial stock. The British, and Americans of British and German descent had "SCIENTIFIC" documentation of the racial inferiority of the Irish, and used to write great treatises on how they would destroy American culture. Yet today there are 80 million Americans with some Irish heritage that have done just fine. Poles, Italians, Irish, French Canadians, Scandinavians were all accused of "being unamerican" because they formed ethnic enclaves that spoke only their languages, and followed their traditions. Just like today we complain about Mexicans, Chinese etc... immigrants. Often crime was rampant in those poor neighborhoods, just as it is now in some of them. We had Irish mafias, Jewish mafia's etc. Then Italian Mafias. We had time of great goverment crusades against vice, like the prohibition, when the murder rate of white males peaked.

Who is it we fear? I fear the government. I hate what they are doing with basic civil rights under the pretense of protecting us from terrorism. However, I also know enough history to know that back in the good old "apple pie" 1950s the government was experimenting on people with radiation and disease. Two decades before that federal troops were firing on protesting laborers in DC, two decades before that women were taught that their involvement in politics was evil, three decades before that tens of thousands of innocent Americans were lynched and had their rights stripped away when the government abandoned its promise to protect them in order to cut a political deal for the upcoming election after the civil war. Of course, the goverment, in "protecting" those innocent Americans had also commited horrible atrocities against citizens who had simply been on the wrong side of a war.

Once again, A LOT IS WRONG TODAY, but to say this is the end??? It seems a bit extreme.

2dogs
October 20, 2003, 12:29 PM
What an idiot, and a racist ignorant one at that.

When did the MERE MENTION of anything remotely having to do with "race" become "racism" in this country? :rolleyes:

Haul out a dictionary and look up racism. I don't think that SAYING, for example, that a largely hispanic population in the Southwest could one day lead to a geographical division into what many (such as Mecha) would call Atzlan is racist.

Man the goverment indoctrination is sure workin' purdy.:scrutiny:

DaveB
October 20, 2003, 12:42 PM
Man the goverment indoctrination is sure workin' purdy.

You must be right.

We're obviously too stupid to think for ourselves.

db

Dashunde
October 20, 2003, 12:51 PM
There is truth to what she has said, and some of it could certainly become a reality.

The problem lies in our mindset and what our cumulative minds accept as "Freedom". What infringements are we willing to tolerate? Can we agree on anything?? No. How would we stop our Government-run-amok?

So far, ignorance and complacency seem to be our biggest enemy... an enemy that our money-hungry, convenience-oriented, "zero-tolerance", "politically-correct" soccer-mom's and dad's tend to embrace tightly.

Our heads are firmly buried in the proverbial sand and we are weakening because of it. Case-in-point - Most of us don't even vote.

cloudkiller
October 20, 2003, 01:18 PM
I am very aware of the heinous abuse of term Racism, particularly as a cover to end thoughtful discussion. I deserved to be called on that 2Dogs

I was probably too hasty in using that label, and should not have. For that I do apologize. I was incensed at the article, and wrote hastily.

However, IMO, the statement that our rights, or cultural history, or system of government is somehow threatened based on the ethnicity of immigrants is a racist one. At the very least, it is a "racialist" position.

If all that is good about American heritage is because of our "Anglo-European" Heritage, what about all that is evil? Are we going to say that slavery, sexism, anticatholicism, interventionism, the suppression of democracy and freedom in Latin America for the benefit of corporations, etc, are values of our Anglo heritage? Hell NO! Those were just part of our country's history.

Jeeez!!!! That is like a Chrisitian saying "well, when people were doing good things in the name of our faith they were being true Christians, but when they were being evil and killing people in the name of Christ they weren't. However when people are killing in the name of ANOTHER religion, but that is the way their religion really is".

DaveB
October 20, 2003, 01:23 PM
Cloud, Why are you apologizing? It is racist. The fact that she did not use overtly racist labels - fighting words - in no way disguises the bigotry.

db

longeyes
October 20, 2003, 01:56 PM
The idea that every epoch has its apocalypse-purveyors and that they
are always wrong is more than a bit facile. You'll notice that
civilizations do, in fact, grow, mature, and fade, arguably for the
same or similar reasons. We have no special mandate, in my view, to believe
we will be unique or last forever. We can prolong our stay, but only
if we are very clear about who we are and where our real strengths
reside. I think we are quite confused about these things at this
time. It is not "diversity" that has made America exceptional, it is
freedom of opportunity, the predicates of law and reason, and, perhaps
above all, the legacy of Western science, engineering, and technology.
Lose those things and you will have a large, heterogeneous, and "non-hegemonic" nation.

Are we encouraging social and cultural fragmentation? Indisputably.

Pay close attention to what is going on in California. You will see,
not very far ahead, the beginnings of social breakdown on a generous
scale and, yes, race--as defined by Latinos, not whites, "la raza"--will
be the dividing line.

Balog
October 20, 2003, 02:21 PM
DaveB wrote: You must be right.

We're obviously too stupid to think for ourselves.


Well said. An excellent summation of the socialist (ie "leftist") position.

Wildalaska
October 20, 2003, 02:37 PM
Hey..I dont want to be part of China! I want to be allied with the Yukon...

Call it Alaskakon!

Now if I got to be part of any asian nation, annex me to Thailand, but dont tell me wife...

WildhenpeckedAlaska

longeyes
October 20, 2003, 02:40 PM
The chief propagator of racism in the United States today is the
Federal Government, which has chosen to see "race" in everything. They
have this taxonomic thing going, they like to see categories and classes
and groups in everything. Some of us thought this nation was about
The Individual and the individual's rights. Some of us still do.

Perhaps Ted Kennedy was a racist when back in '65 or so he helped push
an immigration bill that was essentially predicated on the idea that
there were too many "Europeans" in this society? That was the beginning
of the "Diversity," anti-"E Pluribus Unum" movement that is now so
entrenched today.

cloudkiller
October 20, 2003, 03:28 PM
Sadly racism is a terribly overused term on both sides of the fence. However, even more sadly it is a reality that plagues everyone too. We have quotas against whites, and continued racism against minorities happening simultaneously. Some people would deny that racism and so called "reverse" racism can coexist, but they do. So, while you have city contracts where I live being awarded to companies using race as a factor, you also have minority schools being built on toxic dumps. I would love to see society become more racially "unconscious". Unfortunately racism, like most forms of ignorance, thrives in poverty and low education. People who pander to the poor, and uneducated of ALL races tend to try to "play the race card".


Insofar as the immigration bill, however, I believe that the purpose of the changes that took place was to eliminate a law that said that the ethnic/racial distribution of the immigrant population had to remain at levels from the turn of the century. A lot of people who fear the "browning" of America have attacked the decision to get rid of that immigration law as the source of many ills in our society.

2dogs
October 20, 2003, 04:03 PM
I deserved to be called on that 2Dogs



cloudkiller

OK, and you know that I was not calling you "stupid", right.:D

It's just that yes, as you pointed out, it is a term so overused it has lost all meaning.

Baba Louie
October 20, 2003, 04:40 PM
Already happened.
Look at the red/blue map of 2000.
Country mouse (red) vs. City mouse (blue).
Different ideals and work ethics, voting patterns, etc.
I happen to be a red mouse living inside a blue mouse zone.
Day and night.
Thinkers and Re-acters

Adios

edited to add link
http://sbarrera.home.mindspring.com/bs/cult/BSRBWars.html

moa
October 20, 2003, 05:02 PM
In nation like the USA, immigrants must be able to and want to assimilate. Otherwise we run the risk of becoming Balkanized with unscrupulous politicians stoking the fires of "diversity" for their gain.

Later European immigrants, while disliked by ancestors of the English, French, German and Dutch early settlers and immigrants, generally were likely to assimilate. Some more than others. And that because is they had more in common with the earlier immigrants, than not in common.

I was watching a PBS series on the Irish immigrants. They program mentioned that only 10% of the Irish immigrants returned to Ireland. However, among eastern Europeans 50% returned home, and among the Italians 40% returned home.

Of course, that was before the American welfare state was created.

ReadyontheRight
October 20, 2003, 05:12 PM
"...oh say does that Star Spangled banner yet wave
over the land of the free and the home of the brave?"

They questioned if the vision was going to end in 1812. As long as this is our National Anthem, the Bill of Rights is still in print and you can own a gun without registering it in the Heartland/"fly-over country", I hope and pray we'll be O.K.

cloudkiller
October 20, 2003, 05:34 PM
I was watching a PBS series on the Irish immigrants. They program mentioned that only 10% of the Irish immigrants returned to Ireland. However, among eastern Europeans 50% returned home, and among the Italians 40% returned home.

I had a class in college on this subject. A lot of the reason why some immigrants went home and others left had a lot to do with why they came over.

The Irish "first wave" was in large part prompted by the famine. Also, Irish inheritance rules and occupation by the British contributed to a desire to leave home.

On the other hand, Italians came over to save up money to buy property back in Italy. Our economy allowed them limited access to social mobility back home.

We still see this phenomena. Many immigrants come here only to earn money to return back home. Many others come here to stay. I honestly believe that only a small minority of immigrants come here to leech off the welfare state.

Isofar as assimilation goes, that may be more of an issue with Asian immigrants than Latin American ones. However, the problem may also be an American one in how we view immigrants that "look like us" versus those who don't. One impact the immigrant experience has had on American culture historically is to RENEW our American values. They come here for political, religious and economic freedom, and in many ways believe these things more than the average American does.

Nightfall
October 20, 2003, 06:20 PM
Science has run amok, experimenting with everything from DNA and the human genome...

Uh... run amok? Acts as if people are being snatched in the middle of the night by 'science' and returned with a third arm and 12 ears... :rolleyes:

Waitone
October 20, 2003, 08:38 PM
<Puts on his tinfoil hat>

See! See! Council on Foreign Relations at work. Part of the master plan.

Then there is the Trilateral Commission or how 'bout the Bilderburger's.

They're everywhere.

<Doffs the tinfoil hat>

Reality? Ain't gonna happen because it will require the ruling class to give up too much tax revenue. Ain't gonna happen, no way, no how. If anything we risk going to war because of a shortage of wealth (another thread).

longeyes
October 21, 2003, 01:43 PM
moa summed it up. The impetus to assimilate is lacking, aided and
abetted by immigrant-rights groups and non-immigrant elites. Today
the thrust is toward acceptance and accommodation, all of it justified
by waving the black flag of Diversity at every turn. The other factor
is the welfare state, which not only facilitates unchecked illegal
immigration, it actively encourages it. After all, the "needy" are
now to be viewed as "consumers;" never mind who's paying.

My own belief is that the process is too far along to change on a
universal scale. Too many people on the dole, too many who have been
indoctrinated with the wrong ideas. Could there be another "War of
Secession?" Don't bet against one.

I see that Bush is back making nice with Fox (L.A. Times, this morning).
To Bush it's all about labor supply and demand. Really? That's all.
This can only get worse before it gets better when both Republican and
Democratic leaders don't have, or don't want to have, a clue. I guess
tens of millions of Americans who are on the airwaves demanding a change
in our immigration policies are just plain crazy. We'll see. Frankly,
I think the run-up to the '04 Election will be depressing but will see
the first glimmerings of the "restorative" right-wing party that many
Americans are looking forward to.

Balog
October 21, 2003, 02:58 PM
I honestly believe that only a small minority of immigrants come here to leech off the welfare state.


Someone who doesn't live near the Mexican border, I see.

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