What caliber for Whale?


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juk
June 14, 2009, 03:37 PM
Bow mounted pneumatic harpoon. :) Thar she blows!

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caribou
June 14, 2009, 07:34 PM
7.62X54R

Harpoon them, slow them up and shoot them in the brain.

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No kidding.:D

schlockinz
June 14, 2009, 07:57 PM
Sledge hammer

MCgunner
June 14, 2009, 08:28 PM
I'm thinkin' .223. They tell me there's some really good bullets for 'em now makes 'em good for just about anything on the planet. Now, you have to have good bullet placement, but if you can shoot.........yadda, yadda, yadda. :rolleyes: And, ya know, our whales down here in Texas are minnows compared to those monsters they have up in Illinois. :D

kd7nqb
June 14, 2009, 11:29 PM
7.62X54R

Harpoon them, slow them up and shoot them in the brain.

Reworded as : Stab them with the bayonet of your M91/30 then pull the trigger


I like it.

Quiet
June 15, 2009, 12:11 AM
.50BMG (bolt-action and single-shot)
It's what some of the native american tribes, who are allowed to hunt whales, in WA use.

Pigspitter
June 15, 2009, 12:17 AM
I'm no greenpeacer or nothing, but I just really can't get behind the idea of whaling. Call me a pansy, but I just think whales are to impressive of a creature to kill. I won't argue against allowing native tribes to continue hunting, but it just seems wrong to do for any other reasons. Just my 2 cents. I don't mean to start a flame war and I'm not some anti-hunter.

BlacklabelOP
June 15, 2009, 12:21 AM
What Caliber is a Boat? just ram em

Pigspitter
June 15, 2009, 12:24 AM
But, if i were Ahab, I'd lean towards a .50BMG.

bigfatdave
June 15, 2009, 12:39 AM
Sounds like a caliber debate to me!
A well-placed .22 short CB would do the job, you fools are trying to solve a software problem with hardware again!

rondog
June 15, 2009, 12:49 AM
I'm no greenpeacer or nothing, but I just really can't get behind the idea of whaling. Call me a pansy, but I just think whales are to impressive of a creature to kill. I won't argue against allowing native tribes to continue hunting, but it just seems wrong to do for any other reasons. Just my 2 cents. I don't mean to start a flame war and I'm not some anti-hunter.


I agree. For the native peoples that the whale is a big part of their diet and culture, you betcha. But just what does the rest of the world need so badly from whales to justify commercial hunting? I've never understood that.

bigalexe
June 15, 2009, 01:03 AM
A well-placed .22 short CB would do the job, you fools are trying to solve a software problem with hardware again!

Throwing out the hardware isnt always bad, alot of times in my experience in PC repair the bad software was stored on that hardware. Granted you just cost the customer way too much money and probably took longer than needed to do the repair but you solved the problem didnt you?

caribou
June 15, 2009, 01:44 AM
You guys must think Im kidding......
Thats me, in the first pict facing the camera next to the guy with cammo on, saw it myself. That 36foot whale took 4 harpoons with drag floats and was shot with an M-19 Finn'd Mosin, and 5 Bulgarian heavy ball in the brain. No more, no less.

Nobody uses a .50cal here, though the Makaa tribe of NW Washington state tryed one on thier frst Grey Whale hunt a few years back..
Its an inch of skin and a foot of fat that has to be shot through before you strike bone. Shots are placed in a dent about 2 feet behind the blowhole where the skull is very near the the skin, and the fat very thin there.

A "whale gun" is used in some Coastal Villages with a 2inch in diameter blackpowder "Whale bomb" grenade that explodes inside them and kills them.

They MUST be harpooned first, then shot.

ElToro
June 15, 2009, 03:07 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_t44siFyb4

you only need a bunch of dynamite !

MCgunner
June 15, 2009, 10:21 AM
I agree. For the native peoples that the whale is a big part of their diet and culture, you betcha. But just what does the rest of the world need so badly from whales to justify commercial hunting? I've never understood that.

Most commercial hunting has been stopped due to depletion of the resource. The redhead duck is finally coming back in numbers after market hunters nearly extinguished it in the early 20th century. The whooping crane is nearly extinct just for its feathers which were used on lady's hats.

Now days, commercial fishing is a culprit. Flounder populations are down. Redfish had been severely hurt 30 years ago by the popularity of "blackened redfish" in restaurants. They're coming back thanks to size limits and stocking programs. I've seen blue crab numbers depleted in my lifetime with the coming of commercial crabbing to the Texas coast. I've seen shrimp numbers depleted. Flounder regulations are being tightened, red snapper limits are TWO fish, now, hardly worth burning 150 dollars in fuel to go after. Shark limit is ONE per fisherman now, okay if you get one big enough, but most in the bay are 2-3 feet, so I don't even bother with 'em anymore.

Whales are the least of my worries. Commercial fishing is going to have to be curtailed at some point for many species, I see little option. Shrimpers raise hell about it, but shrimping is a fast dying industry. Shrimp farms are far more productive at providing shrimp for the table. Salmon are now farmed. Tilapia and catfish are farmed. In some parts of the world, they're even farming oysters. What do we need commercial fishing for? Get rid of commercial fishing and bring back the numbers so I don't have to take a PDA with me fishing to remember all the damned size limits and fish limits per species. :rolleyes:

Extremely Pro Gun
June 15, 2009, 10:58 AM
Whales are the least of my worries. Commercial fishing is going to have to be curtailed at some point for many species, I see little option. Shrimpers raise hell about it, but shrimping is a fast dying industry. Shrimp farms are far more productive at providing shrimp for the table. Salmon are now farmed. Tilapia and catfish are farmed. In some parts of the world, they're even farming oysters. What do we need commercial fishing for? Get rid of commercial fishing and bring back the numbers so I don't have to take a PDA with me fishing to remember all the damned size limits and fish limits per species.


I wanna buy you a beer!!!! :D

BTW I would use a 700 Nitro Express If I could find one. Or a semi auto 50 bmg!!

Art Eatman
June 15, 2009, 11:08 AM
Forty years back, the giant tuna of the Atlantic were down to 10% of earlier populations--and people STILL wanted to catch them. Same thing for cod, swordfish and king mackeral.

"We need the jobs!" Yeah, and when there's nothing left, then what? Jobs? What jobs?

Almost all governments are cowardly when it comes to protections of species. Even ours worries more about some useless minnow or frog than about such as the giant tuna. If the ESA were properly applied, commercial fishing in the oceans would come to a screeching halt. Then, after ten or twenty years, a controlled rate of harvest could be instituted. It works for hunting; why not for fishing?

schlockinz
June 15, 2009, 03:41 PM
Look at the stats for salmon farming. You input more fish for the salmon to eat than you get out (obviously). The problem is that the other fish are being commercially fished out, and ruining the food supply for natural salmon.

Eat some vegetables or kill it yourself, thats become my motto

MCgunner
June 15, 2009, 09:11 PM
Well, what I was reading about, they spawn 'em in the farm, the fry grow up and swim off to the ocean and return to the farm to spawn from where most of 'em are harvested. They spend 3 or 4 years in the wild eating in the wild before harvest. That's food the other natural fish don't get, I guess, but it sounded sort of ingenious to me when I was reading about it. Sorta like free ranging aquatic cattle that always come home on their own.

I know shrimp farming is under fire to clean up their emissions. Shrimp are dirty creatures. I guess water treatment is a necessary thing in the process. The consumer will have to absorb that if he wants his shrimp creole, fried shrimp, shrimp etouffee, sweet and sour shrimp, boiled shrimp, shrimp scampi, shrimp salad, shrimp alfredo.........anybody seen Bubba?

caribou
June 15, 2009, 09:57 PM
""Eat some vegetables or kill it yourself, thats become my motto ""

With vegtables comes farmers, and farms.
With farms comes fences that stop migrations change habitat that the indiginous animals use.
Ranching keeps large concentrations of animals being kept on small plots of lands, and local species of plants are replaced with what the domestic stock eats.
Insecticides, fertilizers and topsoil runoff pollute streams and rivers, killing fish and such.
Monocrops take away natural diversity and displace local vegitation.
Irrigation drains rivers and lakes, and wetlands are converted for crop use.

There are "Fish hatcheries" where salmon smolts are released to enhance wild populations.
"Fish Farms" are Salmon that are penned from Smolts to harvest, in large pens that float in the ocean and bays along the coast. The problem with them is keeping that many fish together polutes the waters with excessive fish waste and uneaten foodstuffs. This is unhealthy for the ocean and Salmon.

The problem is getting to be too many people on this planet, so Id just say "kill yerself" ~~LOL!!~~

Who says whe dont need WWIII for a fresh start...:evil:

schlockinz
June 15, 2009, 09:59 PM
hadn't heard of farming salmon like that, I always heard that they had a containment ordeal in the ocean, where they would feed the salmon ground fish that were netted. They were having problems with the fish escaping (they were different from wild salmon) and causing some of the native salmon to contract parasites.

The spawning method does seem ingenious, wonder if it truly is "sustainable"

Oh well, I'll stick to my kill it and grill it scheme, which reminds me, I need to kill some more pigs.

schlockinz
June 15, 2009, 10:01 PM
Caribou, I agree, I think that we are past the carrying capacity of earth, and its affecting my hunting:cuss::fire:

I mean, when was the last time someone actually hunted prairie chickens? I haven't even seen one in 10 years.

Sorry, hippie rant off.:uhoh:

MCgunner
June 16, 2009, 09:46 AM
I think it was Mendel over 100 years ago predicted 7 billion as the earth's carrying capacity. Of course, he made that prediction before modern agriculture. Agricultural advancements have raised the number and I don't know what the number is, now, but we're getting close I'm guessing and the growth is a J growth curve and we're on the steep part of the slope at this point. It has frustrated me over the years that tree huggers concentrate on recycling trash and other such symptomatic cures without addressing the disease.

But, a man's gotta eat and I can't live without my wheaties and cow juice. Can't kill that. Beer, a man's gotta have his beer. :D

Art Eatman
June 16, 2009, 10:31 AM
caribou, I hate to tell you, but wars generally lead to a net gain in overall populations. Where do you think our now-retiring Boomers came from?

Total world agricultural production seems to have peaked, or at least hit a lengthy period of plateau. And now, "rust" is spreading among wheat producing areas around the world. Grain inventories are at their lowest in about a quarter-century, now, and this year's grain harvest is expected to be minimal compared to past years.

MCgunner
June 16, 2009, 10:44 AM
Well, Art, so long as barley and malt and hops are in good supply..........:D

devildog32713
June 16, 2009, 11:47 AM
4 Bore baby! The rounds are $150.00 a piece! This is the definition of a powerful rifle.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ElmlIyOtf1Q

MCgunner
June 16, 2009, 12:58 PM
Apparently the 2 bore is easier.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXoa5zNn0TU&feature=fvw

Hell, I'd use my whole lead pot just pouring one bullet. :rolleyes:

CoRoMo
June 16, 2009, 01:41 PM
Any caliber will do, as long as it is DRT ammo.http://www.clipartof.com/images/thumbnail/1225.gif

moosehunt
June 18, 2009, 08:22 PM
I agree with Caribou! He see's the real world. And even in Alaska, what he sees way too much of is people! The world is greatly over populated, and a plateau hasn't been reached--in the US, population has slowed, but worldwide, man just keeps spitting 'em out! Aids was a hope, but didn't seem to pan out. Man is rapidly destroying the planet over food (and the associated need for water), not through "global warming". It is obvious that no politician even wants to mention the real problem--over population! This country has gotten so crowded it is sickening--and I live in Nevada! China, for all it's wrongs, has done one good thing--1 child per couple! We need that in the US. And the world. Not forever, obviously, but for several generations.

t165
June 19, 2009, 08:30 PM
Nature has a funny way of thinning the herd when the carrying capacity of the land gets overwhelmed by any one species. The amazing medical progression of man can only stave off the next great natural epidemic for so long.

And the natural instincts of man are only buried so deep. We will quickly shed our god-like compassion for our fellow man when the stomachs of our children are empty. Survival of the fittest shall reemerge. In the end the laws of nature will supersede the laws of god and man.

When hunting whale you have to use enough gun! The blood trail has a funny way of disappearing and I get dizzy holding my breath for very long. :)

Joe Demko
June 19, 2009, 09:48 PM
I agree that the world is too crowded. Now, which of you agrees to step off?

MCgunner
June 19, 2009, 10:29 PM
The world is greatly over populated, and a plateau hasn't been reached-

We're experiencing a J growth curve. Think rabbits, what do rabbits do? They start out well below carrying capacity, population grows almost unchecked due to a very high natality rate. The curve gets steeper and steeper in a logarithmic rate as 2 rabbits beget 8 rabbits beget 32, and on and on. More the population the steeper the curve until they exceed capacity to the point that they all die off of starvation and disease and the curve starts again.

Our problem isn't high natality so much as no predation and longer and longer life spans due to the miracles of modern medicine. The thing to do of course is control the birth rate, but how do you do that in a free society? The cure is coming. I am sorta hoping I'm dead before it gets here. I've got maybe 30 years left, maybe, if it don't get here first. Then, the kids can handle it. :D

moosehunt
June 20, 2009, 12:05 PM
Right on Mr. MCgunner. Something has got to give! Maybeso those wacky N. Koreans--or the Iran government whackos (Iranian people are not the problem. I'd sure like to go hunt there, but our gov't won't let me). The answer: Spay and neuter your children!

paintballdude902
June 21, 2009, 11:10 PM
caribou i kinda agree and have for some time, the human population is outa control. in nature there would be disease and other things keeping the population in check but now with anti biotics and meds for every thing and anything we no longer can count on nature to keep the population in check.

i like to tell people when they talk about global warming is that we need to thin the heard. i think that we should first start in washington dc with the US congress and senate

cooch
June 23, 2009, 08:54 AM
Sustainable utilisation of ALL resopurces should be the aim.

As soon as we start thinking that this or that critter is too cute, or noble, or <insert irrelevant subjective anthropomorhism here> .... we are putting increased pressure on the rest of the limited resources in this finite world.

Somewhere, land has been cleared to take up the slack because we're refusing to harvest whales. Amazon rainforest? African Nyika? Or just your local deer thicket....

Think about it....

mgregg85
June 23, 2009, 09:34 AM
Nuke the whales, its the only way to be sure.

Art Eatman
June 23, 2009, 12:04 PM
Enuf philosophy for one thread...

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