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Nickotym
October 20, 2003, 02:08 PM
I am reading The Dark Tower series by Stephen King at present. In the third book, one of the characters takes his father's ".44 Ruger automatic."

Does or did Ruger make such a gun in real life?


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444
October 20, 2003, 02:10 PM
In a carbine.

Lightsped
October 20, 2003, 02:20 PM
Seems like I have seen a 44 Ruger semiauto pistol before. If I recall correctly, it looked similar to the Ruger 22 MkII pistols, only much bigger.

Wedge
October 20, 2003, 03:21 PM
In the second book the gunslinger buys some .45 Winchester cartridges that were supposably very old style. I have never heard of that caliber either.

4v50 Gary
October 20, 2003, 03:22 PM
Ruger never made a 44 caliber semi-automatic pistol. The book is probably in reference to the old 44 Mag rifle that looked like the 10/22.

Wedge
October 20, 2003, 03:45 PM
Nope. The book is totally talking about a handgun. The kid had it in his backpack when he went to the other world.

Dr.Rob
October 20, 2003, 03:50 PM
There are a LOT of gun mistakes in the series.

I was particularlymiffed at the end of one book Roland comes back from NYC with 2 cop revolvers and a bunch of bullets, at the start of thenext book he (King) totally FORGETS that he had this happen, the guns and bullets dissapear.

The 44 Ruger automatic doesn't exist. And even if it did.. the kid never uses it anyway.

Nickotym
October 20, 2003, 03:55 PM
Right, I was looking for Eddie and Susannah to use the cop guns so they could conceivably have two each. Another thing that doesn't make sense is that Roland, Eddie and Susannah each seem to have a gun, but they are all the same caliber.

My guess on Roland's cartridge is that maybe it it supposed to be a .45 Long Colt.


Jake, the kid never uses the .44 semiauto, but Eddie does.

Ol' Badger
October 20, 2003, 04:06 PM
Ruger should look into it. The mark II's in .44 mag. 8 rd. mag, might be nice.

Wedge
October 20, 2003, 04:36 PM
If only Ruger could make the slide and safety a little more intuitive a .44 mag Mark 44 would be pretty sweet.

I kind of figured that Roland's guns were chambered in .45 colt. I thought that Roland only came back holding the bullets but I could be wrong.

Meowhead
October 20, 2003, 04:49 PM
Stephen King also wrote about a side-by-side shotty sawed off so short the ends of the shells showed, an M-16 that recoiled so hard it battered the shooter's arms and was uncontrollable, and a double-barrel pump-action shotgun. The man simply didn't bother to do five minutes of research before writing about guns.

Lightsped
October 20, 2003, 05:09 PM
This is what I was thinking of.... In my opinion it does kind of look like a Ruger Mk II.

http://www.hallowellco.com/AutoMag_in_case.JPG

http://www.hallowellco.com/AutoMag_full_right.JPG

CWL
October 20, 2003, 08:30 PM
Stephen King has admitted to taking several hundred hits of acid during his lifetime, probably helped his writing but not his grip on reality.

Mannlicher
October 20, 2003, 09:15 PM
I would not think Steven King would know a gun from a hole in the ground.

Dr.Rob
October 20, 2003, 09:26 PM
If Ruger made the Automag I'd buy one.

Those go in and out of production every few years. Hi standard, AMP and others have made the auto mag.

Dr.Rob
October 20, 2003, 09:29 PM
Oh and Roland even went to a gunshop, looked to see that the cartridges had the SAME markings as the ones in the cop guns, stuffed the boxes shells into his underwear and had the gun belts on him.

(it was a strange scene indeed)

Roland claims to 'never to have had such bounty"

Then at the start of the next book they are just gone. Poof, didn't exist.

You'd THINK he's be out of bullets by now.

James Bondrock
October 20, 2003, 11:24 PM
Few novelists are very knowledgeable about firearms. Stephen Hunter is one of the few who is. Even someone who should know better, Tom Clancy, once described ejected cases from a S&W 1076 as being made from stainless steel. Ruger does not make and never made a .44 caliber auto pistol. They do and did make a .44 Magnum autoloading carbine, but I don't think King had that in mind. ;)

George Hill
October 21, 2003, 01:34 AM
I think he musta just miss-typed "Ruger .45 Automatic".

c_yeager
October 21, 2003, 02:34 AM
At the beggining of the Waste Lands King mentions that Roland had brought back "over two hundred" rounds of ammo. Basically saying "Hey readers im sick of keeping track so just pretend its a movie and dont bother counting." As far as the .44 Ruger it didnt make any sense to me either.

wintermute76
October 21, 2003, 03:02 AM
There's .45 Winchester Magnum, not really old style but whatever. I think the AMT Automag IV was chambered for it.

Joe Demko
October 21, 2003, 09:54 AM
The facts are probably nothing more than King didn't keep track of how much ammunition Roland brought back, the police guns, etc. However, all readers should keep in mind with regards to the Ruger .44 automatic and other non-existent guns that the worlds those characters come from are not our world. They are very similar to our world in some ways, it is true. Their worlds aren't even identical to each other. In Wizards and Glass Roland and company enter the world of The Stand. Eddie and Jake think it is their own world until they notice that some details, the make of a car for instance, are different. Bottom line? Jake isn't from our world. Neither is Eddie, nor any of the other characters. Maybe in Jake's world, Ruger did/does make a .44 automatic. Maybe they also support the right of "honest men" to have magazines of more than 10 rounds, too.
The gunslinger books kind of nicely illustrate King's attitude towards guns. He's fascinated by them, afraid of them, and only knows a little about them. He believes that they should be in the hands of a only a few. In Roland's world, gunslingers pretty much have the monopoly on lawful use of guns.

spacemanspiff
October 21, 2003, 01:45 PM
golgo beat me to it....the worlds are similar, but have very distinct differences.
i'm re-reading Wizard & Glass, well actually i skipped over the stupid nonsense and went straight to the battle between Roland and his gunslingers vs Jonas and his harriers.

an interesting note that drives home the point that 'time is different' in rolands world: when Roland was in Mejis as a young man, they spoke of Lord Perth and how he fell from the sky. in book three though, when rolends ka-tet were going into Lud, they saw the corpse of Lord Perth, in the german plane. and they met Perths grandson or great-grandson, i forget which.

Sean Smith
October 21, 2003, 02:57 PM
Stephen King's "Gunslinger" series is pretty far removed from ANY reality. Nitpicking its gun facts is pretty insane as a result.

CJ
October 21, 2003, 03:09 PM
In reading about King's understanding of firearms (I think this was in his book, "On Writing"), he discussed that he really doesn't know too much about firearms, and that one of his friends who IS a gun afficianado often gets to read a draft and suggest corrections.

Of course, I also seem to remember some Ludlum novels where a character "flicks off the safety" on the Glock he picked up. I can forgive King for a fantasy-type novel, but I really do appreciate my spy novels being a little more accurate :)

Dorrin79
October 21, 2003, 03:33 PM
Golgo-
The gunslinger books kind of nicely illustrate King's attitude towards guns. He's fascinated by them, afraid of them, and only knows a little about them. He believes that they should be in the hands of a only a few. In Roland's world, gunslingers pretty much have the monopoly on lawful use of guns.

I think you're right about that.

I liked the Dark Tower books - the whole alternate-reality Western thing is a pretty neat concept.

King's gun knowledge is pretty abysmal, though.

I read (I was bored!) the lame "Dreamcatcher" book (my wife got an advance copy for free! Quit looking at me like that!!!) and the MP5 "carbine" apparently fired 5.56 NATO. I guess those spec ops guys had their own custom armory or something...

Nickotym
October 21, 2003, 06:53 PM
Spiff,

The Lord Perth that Roland sees as a child is diff from the "Lord Perth" They see in book III. In book III the guy in the plane is named Quick and they liken him to Lord Perth.

spacemanspiff
October 21, 2003, 07:48 PM
oh.... heh...... shame on me for doing such a fast re-read.....hehhehe...
my bad! :o

Lone Star
October 23, 2003, 11:21 AM
If memory serves, King is also anti-gun. Why would he know zip about them? He's also very PC.

John Sandford, who writes the "Prey" series, is much better in gun knowledge, especially in the later books.

In, "Silence of the Lambs", Thomas Harris wisely had the bad guy killing the girls whose skins he wanted with .38 wadcutters fired from a Colt Python.
I noted that Jody Foster had a S&W M13 .357 in the movie, which was correct for a new FBI agent at the time.

Lone Star

Joe Demko
October 23, 2003, 11:36 AM
The problem I have had with "hardware porn" novels and series' by gun-savvy writers has usually been that they aren't particularly good stories or writers. I mean, you read one Mack Bolan book, you've read them all. In the horror/fantasy realm Dean Koontz knows more about guns than most, but he really does seem to write the same book over and over. Not everything King has written is great, far from it, in fact. On the other hand, I've never picked up one of his books and failed to finish it due to losing interest.

Jim K
October 23, 2003, 07:23 PM
The reason for comments about .44 Ruger auto pistols and the like is simple. 99.9% of general writers don't know anything about guns and don't know what they are talking about. Further, they don't care because 99.9% of the readers are too dumb to know any better. It is pointless and silly to waste time trying to explain away stupidity.

Jim

c_yeager
October 24, 2003, 02:46 AM
Just in case this topic has peeked anyones curiosity the series is going to finally be finished up here pretty soon. I believe the new book comes out in November. Just for the record while king is entirely ignorant with regards to firearms i would hardly call him PC.

Justin
October 24, 2003, 02:51 AM
I knew that another Dark Tower book was due to be published sometime, but I thought I'd read that King had always invisioned the DT books spanning across something like 7 novels.

Is #5 going to be the last one? :(

Dorrin79
October 24, 2003, 09:59 AM
Justin -

from what I understand (from looking in The Gunslinger, Revised Edition that came out earlier this year) there will be three more books.

The first of the new ones, Wolves of the Calla, is due out pretty soon (winter 03)

Joe Demko
October 24, 2003, 10:10 AM
Can you briefly summarize what the revisons were?

Dorrin79
October 24, 2003, 10:38 AM
nothing really noteworthy.

He added a couple of new flashbacks from Roland's childhood, fleshed out the whole John Farson revolution a bit more.

Changed up the end scene with the Man in Black a bit.

probably worth checking out if you were thinking of re-reading the series.

Joe Demko
October 24, 2003, 10:40 AM
Thanx

Byron
October 24, 2003, 11:00 AM
Roland pointed out on several occassions that things are not as they seem. A parrellel earth may be the implication and things on Roland's earth are different. Byron

jason10mm
October 24, 2003, 02:35 PM
Just remember, sometimes ignorance can be a GOOD thing. When William Gibson started the whole cyberpunk genre he had no idea how a computer worked or what it was even built of. So his imagination was given free reign with pretty far-reaching effects. I'll forgive King a few trivial gun errors, the poor guy is so disabled nowadays I'm impressed he can still write (though, like Clancy, the specter of ghost authors has been brought up).

Hutch
October 24, 2003, 03:52 PM
I cut King no slack whatever. He's a gun-grabbing elitist, who spews the PC line on "easy access to firearms". To hell with him. Too bad, cause he's a great writer.

Paniolo808
October 24, 2003, 04:10 PM
Now that the subject of that old ruger 44 mag carbine comes up..... anybody have one of those laying around that they might want to get rid of? I love those things and am always looking for the old style tubular magazine model. Just curious....


Aloha

sw442642
October 24, 2003, 04:21 PM
I read a thriller by William Diehl where a brave soldier picked up a 30mm Gatling gun and hosed down the enemy with full auto fire.

He also had a sniper with a full auto 50 BMG rifle that he could easily lug around.

At least King is in SF land - Diehl was writing as the techo tough guy.

HarryB
October 24, 2003, 05:52 PM
Now that the subject of that old ruger 44 mag carbine comes up..... anybody have one of those laying around that they might want to get rid of? I love those things and am always looking for the old style tubular magazine model. Just curious....

A shop in Mesa AZ has one for under 400. Pm if interested in contact info...

Travis McGee
October 24, 2003, 06:14 PM
It cracks me up how writers don't know rifles from shotguns.


My favorite is "Hostage" by Robert Crais, where the plot turns on a 7-11 owner being killed by a robber, because he forgot to unsnap the safety on his Glock, and it wouldn't fire at the critical moment of truth.

c_yeager
October 26, 2003, 02:31 AM
I did a search and couldnt come up with anything linking King to gun control. Perhaps you could enlighten me?

Alcoatari
November 22, 2011, 11:09 PM
I realize this is ancient history... but nonetheless...

King is known to be uneducated when it comes to firearms and automotive knowledge. He has people who are supposed to correct him in these capacities, so called "experts." It seems, however, that they either give bad advice occasionally or that King chooses to ignore their corrections.

That being said it is appropriate to keep in mind that the Jake with the .44 Ruger Automatic came from an alternate universe. At least alternate to Roland's and most likely alternate to the original Jake's. Let us not forget The Kansas City Monarchs, Nozz-A-La Cola, and the Takuro Spirit, after all "There are other worlds than these."

WC145
November 23, 2011, 03:43 PM
You dredge up an eight year old fantasy thread for your first post? Seriously?:rolleyes:

dprice3844444
November 23, 2011, 04:26 PM
amt made the 44 automag and wildey the 45 win mag pistol

http://www.wildeyguns.com/wildey.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wildey
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AutoMag_(pistol) dirty harry

Claude Clay
November 23, 2011, 07:17 PM
id love to have a swing out cylinder on my SA frames---

all the time over 45 years i would have saved reloading the guns i could have started a second family....or waxed a car
the alternate/overlappping realities allows King to walk away quite trig from any misspeaking.
try palavar at thedarktower.org

NoirFan
November 23, 2011, 11:02 PM
Oh and Roland even went to a gunshop, looked to see that the cartridges had the SAME markings as the ones in the cop guns, stuffed the boxes shells into his underwear and had the gun belts on him.

(it was a strange scene indeed)

Roland claims to 'never to have had such bounty"

Then at the start of the next book they are just gone. Poof, didn't exist.

You'd THINK he's be out of bullets by now.

You know, that's actually my favorite scene in the series. I liked the contrast between Roland's poorly sealed, worn out shells and the shiny new, never-fired cartidges in their boxes. It was a nice worldbuilding moment showing that industry and human progress had long broken down and that he had been scavenging and recycling for a long time.

Kendal Black
November 23, 2011, 11:14 PM
King's art, and he is very good at it, is escapism. Once you accept the oddball premise, that there are ravenous cat people among us, or the machines have all turned against us, you are simply along for the ride after that. He is spinning ye olde yarn, and if he keeps you interested to the end, he has done all his duty.

.44 Magnum Ruger pistol. Hmm. I suppose a fellow without expertise could conflate a Super Blackhawk revolver with that, but once you have accepted the ridiculous part, what's the problem with that?

FIVETWOSEVEN
November 23, 2011, 11:22 PM
I read (I was bored!) the lame "Dreamcatcher" book (my wife got an advance copy for free! Quit looking at me like that!!!) and the MP5 "carbine" apparently fired 5.56 NATO. I guess those spec ops guys had their own custom armory or something...

HK53, basically a MP5 chambered in 5.56 x 45.
http://www.whq-forum.de/cms/uploads/pics/hk53-01.jpg

The problem I have had with "hardware porn" novels and series' by gun-savvy writers has usually been that they aren't particularly good stories or writers. I mean, you read one Mack Bolan book, you've read them all. In the horror/fantasy realm Dean Koontz knows more about guns than most, but he really does seem to write the same book over and over. Not everything King has written is great, far from it, in fact. On the other hand, I've never picked up one of his books and failed to finish it due to losing interest.

Larry Correia's books, Monster Hunter International are awesome in both aspects.

Owen Sparks
November 23, 2011, 11:27 PM
Ruger DID make a semi-auto .44, but it was a carbine not a handgun. It has been discontinued.

Strykervet
November 23, 2011, 11:33 PM
I've read a lot of King's work and he frequently gets firearms wrong, but it doesn't detract from the story I don't believe. Authors are also weaving a whole story together using one word at a time and sometimes it just works out better to use "automatic" instead of "revolver" to lend feeling --kind of like the fudging the "news" does but for a nobler purpose. King also calls street lights "arc sodiums". They are actually called high pressure sodiums, but his term lends a different feel than those other two terms would.

As for the .44 Ruger automatic... Only one I can think of myself is the 10/44 carbine. Looks just like the 10/22 but in .44.

In one book of short stories (a more recent one) in one story he picked the ".45 Hardballer" and really went over that word "Hardballer". It was perfect the way he used that pistol in that story. But because of the importance of this particular pistol as component of the story, he was a little more detailed and accurate (if I am accurate in memory myself!).

Alcoatari
November 24, 2011, 01:15 AM
You dredge up an eight year old fantasy thread for your first post? Seriously?:rolleyes:
Yeah I know, I'm so ashamed... I came across it via Google search and found it interesting enough to respond to.

longhair75
November 24, 2011, 09:59 AM
In Mr. King's epic novel, The Stand, Harold Lauder carries a Colt Woodsman .38 caliber revolver.....

Deltaboy
November 24, 2011, 10:03 AM
Ruger DID make a semi-auto .44, but it was a carbine not a handgun. It has been discontinued.
Yes the Deer slayer. It was great rifle.

buck460XVR
November 24, 2011, 11:43 AM
There's a reason it's called "fiction".

Dr.Rob
November 24, 2011, 12:21 PM
This zombie thread needs a bullet in the brain pan.

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