$10,000 permit?


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rrruuunnn
June 16, 2009, 03:20 PM
Someone said that in Texas if one has to carry over $10,000 for their job, they are allowed a gun permit. Is this true?

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ljnowell
June 16, 2009, 03:31 PM
In texas you can have one anyway, cant you?

CoRoMo
June 16, 2009, 03:32 PM
If you apply for a permit, you are allowed a permit.

Raptorq7r13
June 16, 2009, 03:33 PM
Texas is a Shall Issue state. As long as you can own a firearm, take the class and pay the fee, you can get a concealed permit.

shameless
June 16, 2009, 03:50 PM
"Raptorq7r13
Texas is a Shall Issue state. As long as you can own a firearm, take the class and pay the fee, you can get a concealed permit "

Texas has attached non payment of Student Loans to the CCW Permit.

If you are not current with payments, you must become so before you will
be allowed a CCW Permit.

CoRoMo
June 16, 2009, 03:52 PM
My brother is an instructor in Texas.
If you have $10,000, he can perform the instruction needed for acquiring a permit.:D

CapnMac
June 16, 2009, 04:09 PM
Business Code may still have a provision for that sort of thing. It has some specifics on use of force to prevent loss of property and the like, too. Business Code allows business owners to go armed in their place of business, too.

Not sure if the Transporation Code covers that, though.

Not having a properly unified code can offer a number of challenges in citing things.

Frog48
June 16, 2009, 04:41 PM
Someone said that in Texas if one has to carry over $10,000 for their job, they are allowed a gun permit. Is this true?

Thats some bogus info.

Issuance of a Texas CHL is not contigent on any particular form of employment, or duties of employment, such as carrying large sums of money. As long as you meet the Texas CHL eligibility criteria, you can get the license.

41022collector
June 16, 2009, 04:48 PM
I cannot say for Texas, but in ohio, even now with CCW avail a code nicknamed "The Prudent Man Act," the law basically states a Man would be prudent in going armed if carrying large sums of money, jewels etc.... it is still on the books here, but truly gettinga CCW in anywhere except Cleveland in Ohio is fairly easy.

I am not sure if Tex has this same type of law, code, act, rule etc....

Regards,
Mike

CWL
June 16, 2009, 05:07 PM
I think that the OP is looking for a way to justify a CHL when he may not otherwise qualify for one (under 21?). Remember that the OP seems to post a new "life or death" encounter every week.

rrruuunnn
June 16, 2009, 06:53 PM
I have been a CHL holder for 8 years. I am at the ripe age of 39. The problem is that I sent my renewal application 2 weeks after my expiration date. So I have to wait months for a permit.

I had to carry large sum of money over $10,000 today from the restaurant to the bank. I am still waiting for my CHL to come in the mail.

I happen to bank at the bank that got robbed just this week. I recall at least 4 bank robberies the past couple years. And I don't even watch the news. I live in a city where crime is becoming a problem like every city in the country. Just a few weeks ago someone had their car jacked near our restaurant. The Onstar located the vehicle.

I do recall that my father was given a gun permit and gun from a cop 30 years ago. Also my commissioner friend got a gun permit with a gift gun about 20 years ago. I'm not looking for special treatment. Just want to know the law as of now while I'm waiting for my permit.

I think that I'll just email my CHL instructor now and ask him.

TheWarhammer
June 16, 2009, 07:11 PM
rrruuunnn,

The answer is that you cannot legally carry concealed until to receive your renewed TX CHL, regardless of how much money you are transporting. Likewise, if you lost your CHL card (lost or stolen wallet) you would not be legally allowed to carry until you received your replacement CHL card. This type of issue (long waits for renewed/replacement CHLs in Texas) is why a lot of people also get a non-resident permit from another state, like Utah. By leaving the spare permit at home, you always have a valid permit to carry if the other is lost or expires. (Obviously you would want to make sure to stagger the renewal dates.)

rrruuunnn
June 16, 2009, 07:16 PM
One good thing about applying late is that I get one extra year for my license because it expires on the 4th birthday and I already passed my birthday. So my first will be in a year.

This pertains to Texas only.

Well, I have some politcal friends and cop friends. So if I really wanted to get one, I probably could.

Rockwell1
June 16, 2009, 07:18 PM
I had to carry large sum of money over $10,000 today from the restaurant to the bank.

I can't imagine one restaurant doing 10 K in one day shouldn't you be doing bank drops a little bit more often?

he problem is that I sent my renewal application 2 weeks after my expiration date. So I have to wait months for a permit.


And this is the fault of the state of Texas how?

Remember that the OP seems to post a new "life or death" encounter every week

And I thought I was the only one that n:Dticed that

Well, I have some politcal friends and cop friends. So if I really wanted to get one, I probably could.

Would you like us to all be impressed now?

rrruuunnn
June 16, 2009, 07:22 PM
I am not blaming Texas. They sent me my renewal paperwork in the mail six months ago. I didn't realize that I had to take a renewal class and wait 2 months for processing until recently. I gladly take the extra year gained for applying after my birthdate.

I own 9 locations, you do the math. If you deposit everyday, you'd still be at $10,000+.

I'm not trying to impress. I'm just saying that I'm law abiding and we donate money to the community. We know the university president on a first name basis, and get personal letters from our US state representative.

I am not trying to be annoying or arrogant. I have worked along side my employees since I was 12 full time. I am really down to earth guy. People in high school thought I was poor. I was one of the few that didn't have a car till I was 26. I am not a flashy guy.

Like I said I sent my email to my CHL instructor and I'm leaving to do my errands. Have a good day.

chuckusaret
June 16, 2009, 09:18 PM
I can't imagine one restaurant doing 10 K in one day shouldn't you be doing bank drops a little bit more often?

There are many here in Palm Beach County that do in excess of $10K per day. Most have armored car pick up though.

SharpsDressedMan
June 16, 2009, 09:37 PM
Don't know what problem there would be in Cleveland (OH). Anyone from Cleveland can go to an adjacent county (like mine, Medina), make an appointment, and get a CCW license. The City of Cleveland does not call the shots on a CCW license, nor does the County of Cuyahoga, since they can be "bypassed" at the adjoining counties, should they give the applicant a problem. Ohio is basically a shall issuse state to qualifying applicants, AFAIK.

SHvar
June 17, 2009, 12:29 AM
You can either get a CCW or apply for the lethal weapons cerification which does not cover concealed carry. Having a certain amount of money on you does not allow you any more privelege than any other swinging Richard in this world.
Somebody is pulling your leg, watch it doesn break off after that long of a pull.

Frog48
June 17, 2009, 12:40 AM
Well, I have some politcal friends and cop friends. So if I really wanted to get one, I probably could.

Good luck with that. Some local yokel mayor or cop doesnt have any more pull with TX DPS than anybody else. You could be Governor Perry's best friend, and it still wouldnt matter.

rrruuunnn
June 17, 2009, 01:01 AM
Are you saying that my father was given a fake permit and gun from the police and my commissioner friend was given a fake permit and gun from the police too. Wow. I saw on court TV , a woman in fear for her life was given a gun permit by detectives. Did the police commit a crime in front of the television camera. Wow.

I feel like Spencer Pratt in I'm a Celebrity. Get me out of here. LOL.

theQman23
June 17, 2009, 01:16 AM
I don't know anything about Texas, (except its beautiful of course.....) but here in Maryland there are issues about acquiring that can be based on money and deposits. I have a card from FL that gives me a lot of reciprocity in the states that I carry cash in, (I have a mobile vending business, we sell racing tires at race tracks) but I don't yet have a MD permit in my own state. I am eligible for one since I own a corporation licensed here, and have a small storefront address as well. My cash deposits are normally only a couple of grand at a time, but because our credit card and check deposits can sometime exceed ten grand in a weekend, the police are willing to issue me.

The goofy thing is that if another person, like a restaurant or theatre manager, made deposits that are way, way larger than mine, they still can NOT get the permit here, unless they OWN the company.

Obviously I am lucky that I fall within the guideline and will take full advantage of it, but it seems unfair to everyone else that lives here. There are employees of other companies around me, that handle WAY MORE CASH than I do, but can't get licensed. Doesn't seem right.

I know that someone reading this may chime in and say, "well, yes, if they represent the owner in deposit and banking with that kind of money their employer can sign off and get them a card," which is technically true, but the liablity and legal responsibilty of the carry, and any subsequent discharge, transfers directly and squarely back to the shoulders of the owner who signed off on that, so in practice, no one does it that way. Unless your employer is an armored truck service, the chance of him signing off on your getting a card here as an employee is like, nill.

-Quentin
Romans 10:13

wrs840
June 17, 2009, 01:27 AM
I'd recommend getting a permit through standard channels and avoid carrying the ten large around whenever possible.

Les

Frog48
June 17, 2009, 01:54 AM
Are you saying that my father was given a fake permit and gun from the police and my commissioner friend was given a fake permit and gun from the police too.

What the heck are you talking about? Yes, I am saying that they're fake. Texas state law has no provisions for issuance of concealed handgun licenses by local jurisdictions, so the sort of “permit” you’re talking about would be legally invalid. The law is the law, CHL's are issued by Texas DPS. A local law enforcement agency does not have the authority to issue a concealed handgun license. Nor would any police department just give away firearms to civilians willy-nilly.

Way back in the day, it was fairly common for a county sheriff to deputize their friends/family, often for no other reason than to allow them to carry firearms. However that is not a realistic option nowadays, as Texas Peace Officers (including appointed deputies and reserve officers) have been required to attend a police academy and become TCLEOSE licensed. Thats been in effect since the mid-1980's.

SHvar
June 17, 2009, 01:17 PM
Aside from this armed security guards even take a week long course (lethal weapons certification), go through a psych exam, a background check, etc.
Police who work for local depts. require a local police academy which usually last 3 months, and has all of the prerequisite pysch exams, and background checks beforehand.
These certs were brought on by former criminals in the past who were made into police, and the few with long mental health histories who were hired by police departments at one time.
Major trouble like this caused massive change in the system. Heck even a certain dept of corrections changed its system many years ago when it was common place for relatives of employees to get hired on that premise alone. The top of the cake was a long time employee who wrote about his threats to other people, then one day after work shot his "multiple wives" and children, then himself.

rrruuunnn
June 17, 2009, 07:41 PM
Shvar,
I'm not sure what point your making. There was 20 20 or 60 minutes about what your are taking about. One of my friends failed the physical. Another the mental. But his brother became one. Another one became a cop. I was told that one day will not be enough training for chl. And the cop in our class complained how much hours of training required annually. That is why I've already taken three CHL and read 4+ books and go online. Each instructor is like a new class. I still don't want to be in any situation. Innocent people are in jail for defending their life.

I'm sure I could call my father to repeat the story, but he is in his late 70's and hard to talk to. Also, I may just have to call my friend to repeat the story to me. Because I don't know who to believe right now, my distant memory or the LEO.

My main concern is the type of people we've hired in the past. I have seen many criminal records. Otherwise, I wouldn't be even getting a CHL.

Funny, thing that you mentioned that ex criminals have become police officers. Because in 2 of my CHL classes, I saw 1 or 2 students that didn't look eligible for CHL.

SHvar
June 18, 2009, 01:04 AM
Keep in mind these sweeping changes occured during the early to mid eighties for most police departments, and other LE communities followed in the late eighties.
A 2nd class township can hire almost anyone as a policeman, these people just have to pass a background check, etc. These departments dont supply side arms, uniforms, etc. But at the same time most are in areas with all state roads, if they receive a call to respond to, they have to wait outside until the local state trooper shows up on location.
1st class townships require the 3 month academy preferrably beforehand, most prefer prior military service, and prefer college in the LE subject. They also require a year of training with another experienced officer before going out on their own. Plus many have a 6 month probationary period on their own after training.

stickhauler
June 19, 2009, 02:49 AM
Ohio requires any firearm carrying security or police officer to complete the Ohio Peace Officers firearm training requirement to be allowed to carry a weapon. In the case of a concealed carry permit for individuals, you can either complete the course, supply proof of course completion to the local sheriff's office (or any adjoining county sheriff) and fill out the application, if you pass the background checks, you get the permit. They also have an emergency ccw permit for people who need one immediately (usually for domestic violence victims) that a sheriff can issue immediately without the training requirement, but you also have to have a filed protection order in place to qualify for it. And it only lasts like 90 days, the time they consider sufficient to complete training and apply for a regular CCW permit. I know the Ohio Peace Officer training requirement is still in place, as our former police chief didn't have the certification, and couldn't carry a firearm on duty, he also lacked arrest powers as a result of that. Pretty bad when your chief has to call a beat cop to arrest a bad guy.

We used to have the special deputy procedure as well for people to have the right to carry, which made no sense to me anyway, as we also have open carry laws on the books, then and now, so having a badge didn't give you any more right to carry openly than any other law aiding citizen.

rrruuunnn
June 19, 2009, 10:34 PM
The commissioner's son said that his father was given one because people hated his politics in the Houston area. Sounds like what you are saying.

We had a retired cop in our CHL class. He has to take CHL class regardless of his experience.

I was advised to send my application certified mail. I didn't get a return confirmation. I'm a bit worried.

SHvar
June 20, 2009, 12:14 AM
PA the application takes anywhere from a few days to 2 weeks. It asks for your reason, protection or hunting. Regardless of your reason the background check must be passed.
The law says you must pass the checks to be granted, plus your references must be contacted and verified before any permit/license can be issued or approved.
A friend applied because of a "hit" being put out on him, he was turned down the next morning because of a past "possession of a small amount of Mary-jane" conviction. The sheriff can turn you down to carry for any minor criminal record, its their choice.

Art Eatman
June 20, 2009, 02:06 PM
The thread is about Texas law, and not about brothers-in-law and anecdotes from other states.

I know of nothing in Texas law as to "guns'n'money". There have been some court decisions which held that there was justification in carrying a handgun on one's person between one's place of business and a bank's night depository.

Current Texas law says that having a handgun in one's car is legal, even without a CHL. I'm guessing that the safest way to be legal would be a two-person deal: The one in the car has the gun, while the other drops the money-bag into the night depository.

SFAIK, right now, DPS is still overloaded with a high volume of CHL applications.

bdickens
June 21, 2009, 12:21 PM
I do recall that my father was given a gun permit and gun from a cop 30 years ago. Also my commissioner friend got a gun permit with a gift gun about 20 years ago. I'm not looking for special treatment. Just want to know the law as of now while I'm waiting for my permit.

Not in Texas. There was no such thing as a "gun permit" 30 or even twenty years ago.

punkndisorderly
June 21, 2009, 12:42 PM
Might want to be prepared for a LONG wait. I think new permits are running 3-4 months currently. The news had a story on the backlog last week. Permit requests in TX have been going up faster than they can hire people to process them. They also contracted out the production of the ID's and the processor had a crappy laminating machine that required multiple attempts to get one passable ID. They may have fixed that since.

There was a backlog when I got mine a year or so ago (had one previously in AL). Took a little over three months.

For what it's worth, I believe Texas law gives them a maximum of two months to process a permit.

SHvar
June 21, 2009, 01:50 PM
I was reading about Texas and CHL, they can deny you for many things.
Here are a few..
"A number of factors may make you ineligible to obtain a license, such as: felony convictions and some misdemeanor, including charges that resulted in probation or deferred adjudication, pending criminal charges, chemical or alcohol dependency, certain types of psychological diagnoses, protective or restraining orders, or defaults on taxes, governmental fees, student loans or child support."
As far as 30 years ago a CHL, no, in fact there wasnt a CCL, CHL, CWP, CWL, available to anyone (it was illegal, people open carried) around 1986 some states started making them available.
I used to know many who open carried before that.

bdickens
June 22, 2009, 07:42 AM
There was, and is, no legal open carry in Texas in public.

TSG
June 22, 2009, 11:32 AM
I am a current CCW holder and carry in TX.

Before I got the permit and even now, the protection that the Castle Law
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