[mugsie]

Quite honestly - I am getting really annoyed at the level of moderation being imposed upon the members of THR. It seems like one can't mention anything which might contain the slightest bit of controversy witout it being shut down.

So - what say yea - are they getting too much like big brother in limiting our right to free speach or are you ok with it?

Hit the poll and let's see where this will go.

[rbernie]

http://www.thehighroad.org/code-of-conduct.html

A note on FREE SPEECH:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

The First Amendment is greatly respected here on The High Road, as are all other Amendments that the Second Amendment defends. However, The High Road is private property and requests that members adhere to all forum policies. It is a contract agreed to by all who become members of The High Road. Those who break forum rules cannot invoke censorship or freedom of speech - a contract broken is a contract broken. If you do not like the rules of conduct or the acceptable topics, seek out a new venue to frequent or start your own board.

[DAVIDSDIVAD]

http://images.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/3/38/This_thread_is_bad_and_you_should_feel_bad.jpg



lol:


1.) Where's the poll?

2.) PM the moderator bothering you

3.) it's "speech"

[jhco]

Simply put we are here because they are here, if you don't care for the way the site is run, then it might be best for you to try a different forum, one that might better suit your needs.
IBTL

[Double Naught Spy]

Are moderators getting too much like the Democrats?

No but some participants act like 2nd generation welfare recipients who feel entitled to free welfare.

[Armando F. Alvarez]

Why did you move Armando F. Alvarez's post

[AKElroy]

I'm waiting for Obama to provide me with some direction to go here.

[AKElroy]

What follows is a lesson on how to stop this ridiculous nonsense: Anyone want to talk Walmart?

[rbernie]

Why did you move Armando F. Alvarez's postBecause you/he posted it in the incorrect forum. A Mod decided to help out by simply moving it to the more appropriate forum so that it would get better/more appropriate visbility. We also took the liberty of removing the spam from it, to make it more appropriate for this forum.

Oh, and it's generally considered rude to jump into somebody's thread with an unrelated question. It's far better to start a new thread with your specific query.

Aside from all that - welcome to THR. :)

[Larry Ashcraft]

Why did you move Armando F. Alvarez's post
Because it was in the wrong forum?

That's one of the things moderators do.

[moewadle]

moderators this whole site would become a chaotic mess. I already see too many attempts at going off on tangents that do not really relate to the subject of a thread. I also see, what I feel, is often a lot of narrow-mindedness and demonizing of people who do not agree with the mainstream philosophy of THR web site. So, I am grateful for the site and for the moderators. I see lots of unselfish and constructive input of all kinds here as well as the negative stuff I mentioned above. Keep up the good work moderators! And thank you for your work. I know it must be a thankless job sometimes.

[MattTheHat]

...limiting our right to free speach...

It cracks me up every time I read something like this.


-Matt

[ArfinGreebly]

Starting a thread with a strawman argument is pretty much a losing proposition.

Sorry, zero crediblity points for that.

Quite honestly - I am getting really annoyed at the level of moderation being imposed upon the members of THR. It seems like one can't mention anything which might contain the slightest bit of controversy witout it being shut down.

So - what say yea - are they getting too much like big brother in limiting our right to free speach or are you ok with it?

Hit the poll and let's see where this will go.

Actually, the argument suffers from multiple FAIL. There's Appeal to Ridicule (comparing mods to [disparaged political party]), along with a kind of Ad Hominem (although not directly), mixed in with Special Pleading (I don't like the rules, so they shouldn't apply to me), Straw Man (hyperbole: "can't mention anything").

And then there's the "let's embarass the mods" angle . . . that's normally a Thursday thing.

So, all in all, that's a lot of illogic for such a short post.

And there there's what rbernie said above.

Oh, I didn't vote in the poll. I'm biased.

[danprkr]

However, The High Road is private property and requests that members adhere to all forum policies. It is a contract agreed to by all who become members of The High Road. Those who break forum rules cannot invoke censorship or freedom of speech - a contract broken is a contract broken. If you do not like the rules of conduct or the acceptable topics, seek out a new venue to frequent or start your own board.

As much as I disagree with some of the moderator's decisions here I have to agree with this point.

[Robert]

The rules are just that, the rules. They are in place to limit the damage that would be done to this thread if people were just allowed to run around talking about whatever their heart's desire. There are many forums on the net that allow a broader range of conversation. THR exists for a specific reason to address specific issues. Anything outside that mission is not acceptable.

Oh I did not vote, but this speaks for it's self.

[MMCSRET]

I did not vote: I do feel that the moderators are a little heavy handed and arbitrary, but it is a private forum and if I don't like it I can leave. On occasion I do stop and walk away and come back later, I relate that as me sending the petulant child to his room. Maybe the child is me, then, maybe I'm sending the forum to its room. At any rate I'm glad THR.ORG is here, even if its not the most professionally run forum.

[bikerdoc]

Simple answer, Dont like it leave.
Want some answers PM the mod in question.
The way it is evolved from experience over the years making this the best forum bar none.

Just my deflated .03

[Justin]

I don't know what to tell you. Wait until I get on the Red Phone to Obama and I'll have an answer for you sometime this afternoon.

[JR47]

Anytime that two opinions, or more, are expressed, and a choice is made, there will be those who feel slighted.

Moderators have a thankless job, but an important one. There are limits on Free Speech, such as the classic "yelling fire in a crowded theater". There are also topics that are forbidden, such as soliciting information on illegal subjects. Between them, there are the usual whines and attacks on opinions that have the temerity to differ from another's. Ad Hominum attacks are forbidden on virtually every forum, but there are always those who feel that this rule is used to THEIR disadvantage, no matter how rude or crude they've been towards others.

The rules are plainly posted for everyone. The Moderators are charged with enforcing them. You don't have to belong here should you disagree with these rules, or their enforcement.

[wyocarp]

What???? Moderators have a "red phone" that goes directly to Obama's office? That totally explains everything. I wish we would have been told that from the beginning. Thanks for giving us the straight scoop Justin.

[LWYM425]

"No but some participants act like 2nd generation welfare recipients who feel entitled to free welfare"
Double_Naught_Spy

That made me actually laugh...

and then feel very, very, sad.

Its like finding fresh rat scat after you've gone through so much to get rid of them.

Opps, was this off "topic"??

[ilbob]

I heard a rumor that one of the moderators actually is a democrat!

[Justin]

What???? Moderators have a "red phone" that goes directly to Obama's office? That totally explains everything. I wish we would have been told that from the beginning. Thanks for giving us the straight scoop Justin.

Totally. This weekend Barry and I will be kickin' it, grillin' some burgers on the patio in the Rose Garden.

[rbernie]

I am SPARTACUS!

[JohnBT]

I don't think there has ever been a problem expressing an opinion on THR. It's how it's presented that is important. See, I can't call you an idiot and goofball because that is against the rules, but I can say that your point of view is wrong and that you don't understand the rules and you're jumping to error-filled conclusions left and right and that you seem to be wound up a little tight.

See how easy it is to get a point across politely? :)

John

[ranger335v]

"Membership" on any site is fully worth what it costs.....so let them run it as they wish.

I read web posts for interest and only respond to those that interest me. It's a way to fill bits of otherwise empty time, it doesn't give meaning to my life.

An often ignored factor in the rights of "free speech" is that others don't have to listen. So, if I don't care for what anyone says I can either (1) ignore it and move on OR (2) post a counter argument. Which the OP may in his turn ignore or respond. I don't care. In verbal conficts, most of us are only preaching to our own choirs anyway, not changing anyone's mind on controversal topics.

Why the moderators, or anyone else, seem to get their panties in a knot over what strangers on the web say is a mystery to me. At least until it degenerates into angry name calling, which should be stopped. And only proves the low mentality of the name caller. (That's usually the "liberals" approach.)

Actually, I don't care if the mods lock any topic, delete messages or toss any members.

When I say I don't care, I mean it. I don't get angry about what any poster says or what the local management does about it.

[JohnBT]

"Why the moderators, or anyone else, seem to get their panties in a knot over what strangers on the web say is a mystery to me."

It's rooted in the goals that were set for the site in the beginning, and TFL before it - to show gun owners and ownership in a positive manner and sway the fencesitters. And to have a good time in a way that won't offend women or children or sensitive men. ;)

John

[ilbob]

And to have a good time in a way that won't offend women or children or sensitive men.
Just who are you calling "sensitive"?

[woof]

I voted no then I read what rbernie said and now I wonder. I do agree that it is private property blah blah and you can go away if you don't like it. But the site was created with the goal of people being here and if a significant number of people think moderation is heavy handed then maybe the powers that be would want to consider that. Not that they have to mind you, they are free to just ignore feedback or even punish it. But a prudent action for a site wanting to attract not repel might be to at least consider it. Somewhere around 30% is pretty significant.

By the way lumping all mods together is foolish. Some are very flexible, some are on a trip of some kind. Every forum I know of has this problem and searches for solutions.

[chieftain]

Actually rather simple.

"Their house, their rules."

If you don't like it, don't visit. There are a lot of other gun forums on the web. I am sure you can find one that will agree with you and your viewpoint, what ever it is. When you find them, go whine over there.

Go figure.

Fred

Stupid should hurt

[The Wiry Irishman]

I agree with ranger335v. If you get worked up about something that happens on the internet, you need seriously re-evaluate your life.

[dirt_j00]

I think erring to the side of civility, as opposed to the other way, is the better method.

Keep up the good work guys!

[rbernie]

But the site was created with the goal of people being here and if a significant number of people think moderation is heavy handed then maybe the powers that be would want to consider that. Trust me when I tell you that the Mods *do* consider this, in private. As a relatively new mod on this site, I was surprised to see the amount of dialogue that occurs in private over these sorts of issues.

The issue is how to balance inclusion vs. noise. Moderation can drive off folk, but then so can excessive amounts of noise from unmoderated buffoons.

In the end, the trick is to balance the moderation just so, such that you get the content you want from as many people as possible. The ones that you scare/drive away are hopefully those that don't contribute the content that you want and who would have otherwise made the noise that drives away contributing members.

[AKElroy]

At the risk of sounding like a suck-up, I will say that having a clean, focussed forum is refreshing. I actually have interests other than guns, and some other forums I participate in are so completely profit driven that they are out of control with all the ads, pop-ups, profanity & completely off-topic meanderings. Every other word typed becomes a hyperlink to something someone is selling. Thanks for running a tight ship, guys. Now, reward my smooching by giving me latitude when I post something stupid. I'm talking to you, Rbernie!

[wrs840]

Kudos to the THR mods. I think they do a great job.


I'd vote for for a grammar/punctuation/spelling/apostrophe/sentence-structure despot to be on the job too... yeah, I know... it's a budget thing... :D

Les

[Maelstrom]

I kinda like that the mods all showed up to mock the whining guy.

[JohnKSa]

If they were this thread would have disappeared already.

[sm]

No.

-THR does not have a teleprompter.
The THR Staff are free thinkers and they do use their brains. Decisions are discussed in Staff and then decisions are carried out after they have been discussed.

--None of the Staff:
-has ever bowed to a king or kissed their hand,
-wants to take away your knife that opens with one hand.
- wants your guns or ammo.
- has been on Oprah
- leaked to the press where the secret room is a VP goes when things get serious
- was considered for the Senate job, up for sale by Blagovich, once Obama became TOTUS
- appointed Hillary as Sec of State.
-has presented Her Majesty stupid gifts.

etc.

[BullfrogKen]

Hey, what's wrong with Oprah?

[MMCSRET]

Moderators on THR.ORG do the job most of us with a clear mind would never accept. I've served on committees before and will never again.

They do the job that needs to be done.
I don't always agree and move on. So far I have returned as many times as I stepped away.

Thanks to all of them for doing the job!!!!!!!!!!

[harmonic]

They're no worse than any other forum. Definitely not as bad as some.

[sm]

BullfrogKen wrote:
Hey, what's wrong with Oprah?

Ken,
We need to talk.
I am your friend and, well, sometimes friends just have to say things.

I don't care what Oprah said, that rhinestone pipe is gaudy as hell and when you fire up a bowl in the mink covered one, it stinks!

Suggestion- watch old black and white gangster movies. How do think Jeff White became such a good cook, especially with Sicilian and Italian dishes?

*smile*

[33-805]

I post and read here (free of charge, I might add) because of the nonsense on so many other forums. I am no prude, but if I want to read about a bunch of mall-ninja, proto-simian teenagers' gun fantasies liberally sprinkled with their sexual, drug and alcohol dreams and jokes, there are any number of other places to be. Of course, that is just the opinion of a registered, cranky older guy. ;) The mods are doing well, thanks guys.

[BHP FAN]

+1 to what 33-805 said.

[Handyguy]

It's a thankless job but somebody has to do it! I think the MODS are doing a great job. There has to be some rule of law and boundries in each group. I think this site or any other would be out of control if not for the MODS. Keep up the good work!

[JohnBT]

"Just who are you calling "sensitive"?"

If the shoe fits Cinderella...

:)

[hso]

I kinda like that the mods all showed up to mock the whining guy.

Lemme call the 18 other Mods since the ones here aren't doing a very good job of it.:rolleyes:



This is an old question with the same answer, every time. Some don't like the extent to which the conversation is focused and some do.

The point that members keep making is that this is the only place on the net with the breadth of firearms discussions that maintains a high level of civility and a clear focus.

Plenty of places have the same level of civility, but they're more narrowly focused.

Some have a broader focus, but aren't much on civility.

THR fills a niche that thousands of people prefer over other sites.

[danweasel]

I love this forum. I come here to talk and learn about guns and self defense, reloading and shooting techniques-for lack of a better word FACTS. Not politics, not values, not religion etc... To each his own with those things. Regardless of how you feels about some of these things they are not facts and If I wanted to discuss them I would join a Political or Religious forum and argue with people who aren't going to change thier opinions anyways.

I do however, enjoy reading posts like this. "Like democrats"??? Weak.

There is a place on the internet for every kind of "discussion" you could possible want to have and it doesn't take much work to find it. Let's stick to guns here on The High Road.

Thanks Mods,

Dan

[Walkalong]

I have posted this before, but the level of maturity and civility is why I chose THR.

I lurked here and there and some sites were just pitiful. It was like being with nasty 5th graders.

I like it here, and I think the Mods do a good job. Perfect? No such thing.

It's about guns here. I thought I knew a few things about guns, and I did compared to the average Joe, but I have increased my knowledge 10,000% since joining THR, and I realize I still don't know squat compared to what's out there.

[Old Fuff]

Maybe we should just get rid of ALL the moderators.... :uhoh:

Of course then there wouldn't be anyone to run things... :eek:

And it might get so bad that I didn't care if there was a High Road or not.... :(

What was that old saying... "If it ain't broke don't fix it..." ;)

[Beren]

THR, where every day is Thursday.

[The Wiry Irishman]

Not politics, not values, not religion etc...

The civility is nice, but I can deal with the absence of it. What really draws me to THR is the absence of politics.

[kilo729]

I see I'm not the only one hitting the third option for fun.

[Larry Ashcraft]

We're the Mod Squad!

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d59/lsashcraft/mod_squad.jpg

Sorry, that may be lost on the younger generation. :p

[JohnKSa]

I would gladly accept an occassional (sic) rude, vulgar, or offensive post...From what I've seen, where there is not enough moderation, the offenses are not "occassional". But I still like your solution.Just go elswhere.I have to agree. This is excellent advice. I've never understood why people join a forum and then complain about the moderation. There are a lot of firearm forums on the web--why not find one that you like rather than trying to make one fit you.











...are you still here? Why??????

[jim in Anchorage]

Larry,are you the second from the right?:eek:I never would have guessed.

[SometimeIWill]

I don't post much, but I appreciate the work the Mods do. I do not question someone's rules in their own home.

[charlie-6]

Some may just be dem's?

[bikerdoc]

just another thought,for the OP and others.

The mods dont read every post. most of the closed threads, and editing of posts come from your fellow members hitting the report button, bringint the post to attention of staff who then make a decision based on the forum rules.

If you have a beef about over moderation it is with your fellow members not the mods.

[KenWP]

I feel the moderators do not do enough on here. That and they don't seem to be able to think for themselves. There are a lot of drival ridden posts and threads on here and they don't stop them dead and one moderator even thought the thread made sense.
On one post I asked what a zombie was supposed to be and the moderator actually closed it down. There are some of us out there that actually read and can think that have no idea what you guys are talking about when you make up slang names for things but no explanations.
Just my two cents worth as I figure this site could be a lot better with moderators trained to jump on poor threads and clean the site up so the educated people on here could enjoy it.

[jh9x18ky]

To the original poster..... Do you really believe in free speech ... or only free speech that agrees with your opinion, politics, mindset ???

[ilbob]

Wasn't it Shakespeare that said "Kill all the mods"?

[Walkalong]

Stupid should hurtIt really should......:)

I think the best advise is is for unhappy folks to find a place where they are happy, if it exists. Don't try to drag THR down to the level of the places they seem to like.

[gvnwst]

Me, i love the amount of moderation on here, it keeps the fighting down, and the (to be blunt) idiots out.

Keep it up guys.
:)

[CoRoMo]

None of the Staff:

-wants to take away your knife that opens with one hand.
- wants your guns or ammo.


I might agree to the "take away" notion, but I'm going to venture a guess that if the staff knew what I had, there'd surely be a few covetous droolers amongst them.

You know they want it!!

[sm]

You know they want it!!

You do make a point, as we do have some serious knife knuts on Staff...
Easy to spot, as they have no hair on their arms, and keep a bandanna handy to wipe the drool off their chin.

*smile*

[ArfinGreebly]

Hey!

I resemble that remark!

:D

[~z]

Normally I dont stick my nose into the mgmt of this gig and assume closed posts are closed for a reason (yes, I usually fall into the "casualty vampire" mode and read them to see why). However most of my traffic is on hunting and reloading where posts are only closed because they address a question that has been been beaten like a dead horse the day after St Pattys Day or have strayed from the OPs question. I have been very happy of the level of moderation around here. I have been "on" for several years and keep returning.

I think an attaboy is in order. I have found the mods to be helpful and wise. Not trying to kiss up, but seriously, good job guys, thanks for letting me play in your yard, i'll pick up my beer cans when I'm done.

~z
PS I think Art is cool

[Larry Ashcraft]

PS I think Art is cool
Yes, he is.

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d59/lsashcraft/art_n_justin.jpg

Art's on the right, and, no, that isn't me with him.

[Pun1sher]

I've seen what happens to forums when the mods are lax. It ain't pretty.

[alsaqr]

THR is the best site that I visit: Keep up the good work. Some of the sites that I quit visiting had become about like the old Yahoo boards.

[Art Eatman]

A large part of our deal here is to persuade the fence-straddlers and neutrals in the gun-control squabble that we as gunowners are not knuckle-dragging Neanderthals. We're grownups, mature adults, conversant with courtesy and politeness.

I fake it as best I can, and it's not easy.

I never ask anybody else to do more than I do. If I can restrain myownself and act just like a grownup, I don't see why others would have difficulty...

[Floppy_D]

Here's the deal. There are some real sages on this board, who have forgotten more about guns and reloading than I'll ever learn. Some of these guys have a lifetime invested as a LEO, gunsmith, hunter, etc... and they're willing to take time out of their day to thanklessly answer frequently asked questions, for free. They're generous enough to share what they spent years learning, but probably wouldn't continue to do so if the place reduces to squabbling and bashing. If the moderators put too much slack in the reins and the insults and bickerings fly, the wise old contributors will find a better use for their time. The fact that this place is fairly civil is probably why we have so many bright and talented minds here.

What I'm getting at is don't be a Sally if your post gets deleted, there was probably a good reason. If your post was really related to the mission of THR, then it probably wouldn't have disappeared. If a forum that focuses mainly on petty banter and arguing is more your cup of tea, then there are plenty to choose from.

Thanks, mods.

[Joe Demko]

You don't know overmoderation. You wouldn't recognize overmoderation if it walked up and bit you in the sitmuscles. You want real overmoderation? Make me a mod. Inside of 48 hours ya'll will have stopped wondering what that term "Age of Darkness" really meant.
There's a skillion unmoderated boards on this internet thingie. Go join one of them and sate yourself on screaming insults about the political opposition and arguing about which video game gunz rool and which onez drool.

[BullfrogKen]

What I'm getting at is don't be a Sally if your post gets deleted, there was probably a good reason. If your post was really related to the mission of THR, then it probably wouldn't have disappeared.

Well said. But may I be so bold as to add onto your comments?

If a contributor does feel his post, or entire thread has merit, PM a Moderator and politely present your case. I can tell you from personal experience that the Staff will and does debate some actions before they are taken. If you feel it rates a second look, the Staff will bring it up for debate amongst each other for a second look. Closed threads have been reopened, sometimes after a lot of cleanup first, but that does occur.

we as gunowners are not knuckle-dragging Neanderthals. We're grownups, mature adults, conversant with courtesy and politeness.

Who's this, we? :scrutiny:


:D

[Maverick223]

Thanks mods. for all of the hard work. :)

[Joe Demko]

Furthermore, I've had my share_and then some_of PM's and warnings about my conduct here. In all cases, however much I may have resented the mods, they were doing nothing more than keeping this place focused on the mission for which it was founded.
Everything that passes through my mind and falls out of my mouth is a pearl of ineffable wisdom. That goes without saying. That doesn't make all of it on-task for THR. If I can try to stay focused on what this place is about, so can you.

[meef]

Every so often along comes a posting stating something along the lines of:

"Waaah! Bad, nasty, insensitive, arbitrary, heavy-handed Mods are picking on me/others/whatever."

This one is just the latest incarnation of same. And you can safely bet whatever you hold dear that it won't be the last.

Want a thread whining about the Mods? Just use the "search" function instead of bothering to take the time to create your own.

geez.....

:cool:

[Larry Ashcraft]

Forget it. I'm not wasting my breath.

[ArfinGreebly]

TGT, are you suggesting that you wish to no longer be a member here?

I didn't get that from your first post.

I'm sorry if that's what you were going for, I musta missed that.

I thought you were just having a good old fashioned gripe.

From what you've written here, it seems that you're really quite bitter. Generalizations, name calling, and that sort of thing.

If you're desperately trying to quit THR, but just can't keep from clicking the URL, I don't know what to tell you. I don't imagine they have Forums Anonymous where you are, and the slogan "one day at a time" has already been taken.

If you are, in fact, trying to break the THR habit and need some help, please let me know, and I can give you a hand with that.

Again, I apologize if I missed your original intent.

I certainly don't want to force THR on anyone, as I know from experience how hard that habit is to break.

Let me know what you need.

[Tob]

THR is one of the most civilized forums I've been on.
The mood on a forum is set by the owners/mods, and this forum has earned all the credit it has been given, and more.

kudos THR.

[DAVIDSDIVAD]

I always loved how guys like TGT use God as a weapon.
"You're not as Christian as me."


Larry's response is perfect, IMO.

[meef]

TGT.

:rolleyes:

Man, you're a piece of work.

I mean that in a nice, friendly, Lord serving sort of way, of course.

Carry on.



:cool:

[gimlet1/21]

I had a post locked once, because the moderators thought it was ridiculous. I don't know why; it was my opinion that we had an interesting discussion going on if I could have taken down the escaped gorilla at the zoo? Other than that I have been happily reading and commenting daily since finding this forum. By the way I didn't vote either, does this mean you have us by the short hairs?

[JShirley]

THR is of course not the place to have religious discussions...or talk about cars...or sex...or any other number of things. Sorry if that cramps anyone's style. I suppose understanding the Constitution does indeed make staff here just like Democrats.

TGT, I strongly suggest you read and take to heart Matthew 7:1-5. That is, when you don't come back to this board/thread. :rolleyes:

John

[GojuBrian]

Nearly 450 votes for "What does Obama say I should do"

!!!! LOL !!!! Shows the level of sarcasm in gunowners. :)

I haven't had a problem with moderators here, I think they are fairly laxed really.

I've played the moderator role on a martial arts website for a while.
Mods are overworked, underappreciated, and no matter what..somebody always whines about them.

There are instances where mods start "power trippin" and like everyone else should take some time to reflect and relax from the boards.

Like congress, there should be term limits. :D

[bikerdoc]

One last time for all of you that dont get it.(yes i'm shouting)

the mods dont read every post. They cant possibly do this, there are too many.
If you get closed, warned, or whatever it is because your fellow members, who understand the purpose and mission of thr, and have read the forum rules, hit the report button. this brings your post to their attention and they act accordingly.

If you you have a beef about overmoderation it is with your fellow members.
Dont like it - leave. Want to stay, read the rules. Even then if you get your hand slapped take it like a man and learn from it.
Period, end of story.

[SleazyRider]

At the risk of taking the high road, vigorous debate is a good thing, from which we all profit; arguments and name-calling are quite another matter. From what I've seen, the moderators do a commendable job of distinguishing between the two, encouraging the former and squashing the latter.

"Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it," sayeth Thomas Jefferson during his 1st Inaugural Address. 'Nuff said.

[Walkalong]

"This thread has outlived it's usefulness".
about 2 pages ago............:)

[Art Eatman]

I see that for all the infinite wisdom and experience of some detractors, spelling is not the long suit. If one is going to call names, at least take the trouble to spell them correctly.

N. A. P. O. L. E. O. N.

"Napolean" probably has the little Corsican spinning in his palindrome.

I considered for a moment that the writer possibly was thinking Italia and Napoli, but that would then have been Napolian. I guess. On reflection, however, probably not.

More coffee...

[kilo729]

I don't understand why people get butthurt over getting modded.

I've been modded a few times, for good reason - I can get hot under the collar myself, but the mods have been kind enough to shoot me a PM as too why it got modded.

[jon_in_wv]

If you don't like ti go to another forum like Glock talk or one of the other ones where people get to crap all over or hijack your threads, spew racism or ignorance, or just in general attack any statement you make like a bunch of thugs. THR is the best forum for a reason. Personally I think its slipped a bit the last few months. Thread hijacking has become the norm and personal attacks are WAY too frequent.

Recently I posted a for sale add on another forum, same add as here. I posted an update to it and it was deleted and I was snidely told to "check the rules" I told them to stick it and thier rules were ridiculous. (i couldn't post an update for 5 days? ) THR does a good job. Quit crying.

[hso]

Folks, I think the various positions have been adequately presented.

There's always this coming Thursday if you didn't get your licks in. :evil:

[Justin]

Those little Napoleans with a problem know who they are. Let them do as they may. Often the truth hurts. Should they act against what I have to say here, it will only serve to make my point.


It doesn't hurt. After all THR is life. Below, please find the creed that I live by.

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=100174&d=1245771698