Now I know what the 1911 fuss is about


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wbwanzer
June 19, 2009, 07:41 PM
I've been starting to think about getting a 1911 for my next gun. I've bought too many pistols already this year so it may not happen until later on. But it won't hurt to start looking now. You can never put too much time into research.
Anyway, I've been researching online of course and today I stopped in at my local GS and happened to look at a Taurus PT1911. I know they get mixed reviews but I just wanted to hold a 1911 and check it out. Well I dry fired it twice and now I see the difference between a 1911 and a regular semi-auto. Even being a Taurus, the trigger was almost as crisp as a good revolver in SA. Way better than any semi in SA that I have shot. So now I'm really getting hooked on the idea of a 1911 as the next pistol.

My other semis are 9mm and I looked at the price of 45ACP ammo for the heck of it and decided to stay with 9mm. I'm retired at the moment and am trying to shoot once a week if possible, so I think 9mm is the way to go.

So I'm looking at relatively inexpensive 1911s, say in the $500 to $850 range. I'm also looking at full size pistols ( 5 inch barrel). I'm seeing Taurus of course but don't know if they make a 9mm. It looks like RIA, Para and STI also make 9mm. Don't think I could get an STI in my price range unless used, but I'm not opposed to used. I would love a Dan Wesson in 9mm but I think they are hard to come by and out of my $ range.

My question is, is there anything else I should be looking at in that price range that would be 9mm and have a fairly good reputation? Fiber optic front sights are a plus, but it sounds like 1911s are modified quite often, so that could be an add on.

Anything else I should look at and any thoughts about those I have mentioned? Anyone know Para's reputation?

Thanks

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wahsben
June 19, 2009, 07:50 PM
You might want to check out the Springfield Armory EMP.

wbwanzer
June 19, 2009, 07:56 PM
I just edited my original post to include full size guns ( 5 inch barrel) as opposed to compacts.
Thanks for the suggestion though.

JTQ
June 19, 2009, 08:11 PM
I don't think Taurus has a 9MM 1911, yet. There are not a lot of 9MM 1911's but they can be found. Kimber, Springfield, STI, and ParaUSA immediately come to mind and S&W has just begun offering a high end 9MM.

I don't think you will find any new 1911's at your bottom price of $500 as most of the 9MM's typically are in the more costly pistols since most companies make their baseline pistols in .45 ACP. I find the $800 - $1,000 range the "sweet spot" for most production 1911's, give or take a hundred or two.

Quack
June 19, 2009, 10:03 PM
For about $850 you can get a Springfield Loaded 9mm
you can get them with either target or combat sights.

here's mine. paid ~$799+tax

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a317/Quackzilla/DSC_7424.jpg

now with a few things done.
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a317/Quackzilla/DSC_7991.jpg

The EMP is one of my carry guns, but a bit out of your price range @ $1049
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a317/Quackzilla/Guns/DSC_91032.jpg

STI's are good too. the Trojan 9mm will be about $999. i don't have one, but i have an STI Edge in 9mm

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a317/Quackzilla/Guns/DSC_8058.jpg

DRYHUMOR
June 20, 2009, 06:51 AM
Taurus actually has a 1911 in 9mm listed for debut this year.

I called my FFL about one, there are none to be found at this point. He deals in a lot of Taurus products.

I have seen them listed on the web for $450 ish to $550 ish. But not in stock. I figure if it isn't out there now, it should be soon.

wbwanzer
June 20, 2009, 09:31 AM
Quack, those are some fine looking pistols. Nice job with the photography too.

Quack
June 20, 2009, 09:36 AM
thanks. 9mm 1911's are a blast to shoot. all my shooting friends love shooting them. my favorite of the 3 has to be the STI. it's a well built gun & is very smooth.

wbwanzer
June 20, 2009, 10:00 AM
Yeah, I've seen nothing but good stuff about the STI pistols. They probably cost a little more than I wanted to pay, but maybe it could happen.

I'm going to a gun show this weekend so I'll be paying attention to the 1911s. I had never given them a thought until recently. I'm still not in a position to buy right now unless I want a divorce.

I just got to thinking, that if all 1911s have triggers as good or better than the Taurus that I played with, then once I get a 1911 the other non-1911 semi-autos that I own won't be as desireable any more. I had always wished my semi-autos could have triggers like my S&W revolvers. Well now I've discovered that they almost can.

Dobe
June 20, 2009, 03:23 PM
9mm 1911's are a blast to shoot. all my shooting friends love shooting them
+1. Mine is my favorite range gun.

Rinspeed
June 20, 2009, 04:30 PM
I would either look for a used STI Trojan or save a bit longer and get a new one.

S&WMP45
June 20, 2009, 04:35 PM
i have a para gi expert, and you will not find more features on a 1911 for $550!!!

-polished feed ramp
-polished extractor
-hand lapped slide to frame fit
-precision crowned barrel

never jams and does one hole at 20 yards

or you can pay the same price for a springer with none of those features

djs764
June 20, 2009, 04:36 PM
S&W has a 1911 in 9mm that just came out this year. But me being from The People's Republic of Massachusetts, the gun isn't on out AG list yet :cuss:
I have the S&W Gunsite 1911 .45 and love it and want one in 9mm, hopefully S&W will make this Ma. compliant soon :banghead::banghead:

Frog48
June 20, 2009, 04:36 PM
I'm seeing Taurus of course but don't know if they make a 9mm.

They dont at the moment, but if you dont mind waiting, there is one in the new catalog. Hopefully they'll be out soon.

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a244/SigEpGrant/Other/TaurusCatalog1.jpg

wbwanzer
June 20, 2009, 04:47 PM
S&WMP45 - I'm open to Para, and they make a full size in 9mm, but when I search the forums about Paras, I get mixed results. Some people have real problems with them. I've got more researching to do, but at this point I'd be a little hesitant to go with Para.

S&WMP45
June 20, 2009, 05:02 PM
i hear ya, i was hesitant to buy a para too, before i saw this model.

however, it doesn't have that power extractor that seems to break, nor the ramped barrel, and the slide to frame fit is a lot tighter than any other para i've seen.

and don't think i would buy any other para than this one,for the same reason, hear a lot of probs.

but they got this one right for some reason lol

wbwanzer
June 20, 2009, 05:48 PM
S&WMP45 - Does this GI Expert go by some other name? I'm looking at Para's site and I don't see a model by that name. Does this GI Expert come in 9mm?

wbwanzer
June 20, 2009, 05:53 PM
Never mind. Duh! The GI Expert is there on the site, I just missed it. It only comes in 45 though. But it does sound interesting.

S&WMP45
June 20, 2009, 05:54 PM
yeah check out the 3 gun magazine review links they have there too, it is really that accurate and reliable!

wally
June 20, 2009, 06:54 PM
RIA "Tactical" is the best bang for the buck in a 1911. Don't buy anything until you taken a look at these, then if you want to spend more, fine.

--wally.

S&WMP45
June 20, 2009, 06:58 PM
ria? those are made in the Philippines. they are cheap and i've heard good reviews and bad, but do you really want a $350 1911 made in a 3rd world country??

Five-O
June 20, 2009, 07:08 PM
Quack, those are some fine looking pistols. Nice job with the photography too

wb, I agree with your assessment.
Just curious quack, but just how did you manage to get such sharp pics? I have posted only one set of pics and try as I did could not get proper focus or lighting. Do you use a tripod? Do you use macro?
I have a Canon sd1000 and I'm sure it can do what you did, but gotta figure out how first.
thanks

wbwanzer
June 20, 2009, 08:21 PM
Five-0

I realize that I'm helping to hijack my own thread, but here's a picture taken with my four or five year old Canon PowerShot A95 (read point and shoot). I took it outside but not in direct sunlight, turned the flash off, turned macro on and held her steady. Not bad:

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m145/wbwanzer/Sig229Apr2009005.jpg

Quack
June 20, 2009, 09:47 PM
i use a D300 ad the lens was either a 30mm/1.4 or a 17-55mm 2.8. they were all handheld pics on my kitchen table.

Rodentman
June 20, 2009, 11:07 PM
I couldn't pass this one up......

http://fototime.com/A47C0A9852FDE48/standard.jpg

http://fototime.com/6F8BDF44D654C9F/standard.jpg

http://fototime.com/9C7641F268523FC/standard.jpg

http://fototime.com/590533CF210DAC4/standard.jpg

S&WMP45
June 20, 2009, 11:43 PM
cool looking emp, heard a lot have feeding probs though, but it sounds like it's mostly attributed to the magazines

Frog48
June 20, 2009, 11:49 PM
Nice Springfield you have there. Is the EMP available in all blued and/or all stainless? I havent warmed up to two-tones.

wally
June 20, 2009, 11:54 PM
those are made in the Philippines. they are cheap and i've heard good reviews and bad, but do you really want a $350 1911 made in a 3rd world country??

As opposed to Brazil where the Taurus and SA come from? It was the Philippine insurrection that led to the need for the .45ACP and they have embraced it.

US support is out of Nevada and is way above average, but admittedly not as good as S&W.

My oldest RIA is approaching 15,000 rounds, I paid <$300 for it and quickly spent more on ammo run through it than I did on the gun back when Wolf was $100/1000.

--wally.

Quack
June 21, 2009, 12:18 AM
EMP's are only two-tone. Stainless slide & Aluminum frame.

The feeding problems are due to the angle of the feed ramp or extractor tension. my EMP runs great. if you have problems Springfield will fix it.

S&WMP45
June 21, 2009, 12:36 AM
QUOTE:
As opposed to Brazil where the Taurus and SA come from? It was the Philippine insurrection that led to the need for the .45ACP and they have embraced it.

US support is out of Nevada and is way above average, but admittedly not as good as S&W.

My oldest RIA is approaching 15,000 rounds, I paid <$300 for it and quickly spent more on ammo run through it than I did on the gun back when Wolf was $100/1000.

--wally.



thanks for the history lesson lol, but i'm not sure what the Philippine insurrection has to do with the quality of 1911's made there.

and i wouldn't buy a brazilian springer (not all are brazilian made) and i definitely wouldn't buy any taurus model either!

i know there's plenty of people that like taurus, i'm just not one of them. and the springer model you want can normally be had made in america, for some reason some mil specs and gi's are made in america (the one's lacking the "made in brazil" stamp) and some are made in brazil

like i said, i'm not saying brazilian made 1911's are bad, i would rather just buy one made in america for the same price, makes sense, doesn't it?

Quack
June 21, 2009, 01:02 AM
all Springfields start with parts made in Brazil. the NM serial numbers have more than 50% of the fitting/assembly done in the US.

S&WMP45
June 21, 2009, 01:03 AM
yeah i need to call springer and ask before i pay $900 for a champion operator, if i'm gonna pay that much for a 1911, i want one totally made in america!

might just have to throw in another $100 and get a dan wesson bobtail-100% american made and NO mim parts

Quack
June 21, 2009, 01:06 AM
if you want a 1911 totally made in the US, you're not going to get it with any Springfield.

Clifford
June 21, 2009, 01:11 AM
I believe all springer frames and slides(1911) are made in brazil. But some were not marked as so for one reason or another.

Looks like I was 9 minutes to late on this post!

wbwanzer
June 22, 2009, 10:09 AM
Grant48 - I just called Taurus about the release date of the PT1911 in 9mm. Their answer was 'around the end of the year'.

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