Do not want to sound dumb


June 19, 2009, 09:39 PM
I was just wondering what is the difference between states, some are :Shall carry, May carry and Shell issue ?

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Boba Fett
June 19, 2009, 09:44 PM
Have a look at a couple of sites:

Then you'll probably have to read each state's linked material on the subject for their specific definitions.

June 19, 2009, 11:43 PM
The terms have to do with how the state handles concealed carry permits.

"Shall issue" states are ones that must issue a permit to anyone that applies for one unless he is not legally allowed to have one. This is different from "may issue" states where the person applying is basically asking for permission from the local sheriff to be allowed to carry. Some states do not require any permit to carry concealed. Some do not allow it at all.

California, for example, is a may issue state. Unless you are really cozy with the sheriff of your county or have some political clout, you are not going to have his permission to carry concealed. This popped up recently when a new sheriff started taking away permits that the previous sheriff had granted. Within political reality, it is totally up to the sheriff who can have a concealed carry permit.

Oregon is a shall issue state. If you are not a felon or have some other legal disqualification, the sheriff must give you a permit if you apply for it.

Black Knight
June 20, 2009, 03:05 PM
What's the difference between states? Thats a $64,000 question. When it comes to other civil rights we seem to be states united but when it comes to gun rights we are anything but united states. Concentrate on your state and the states you may visit or work in. That way your head won't ache so much. I just spent 2 weeks in Georgia unarmed because of the different laws. I would be legal in Virginia (home state) and North Carolina but that would have been it. Good luck.

June 20, 2009, 03:15 PM
Yeah Black Knight as a Georgian I'm sorry that happened during your visit. I see that Georgia and Virginia do not honor each others permits. I think Georgia will reciprocate states that do likewise. Will VA honor other states permits?

Black Knight
June 20, 2009, 07:49 PM
Virginia does not honor or recip Georgia's permit according to the Virginia State Police website. Well I'm back home now so everything turned out fine.

June 20, 2009, 08:37 PM
Black Knight:

Get a New Hampshire permit. It is accepted in GA. You need to send them a copy of your VA permit and $20. It is good for 4 years.

Go here:

Black Knight
June 20, 2009, 11:17 PM
Thanks for the info. With my Virginia permit and a New Hampshire permit it appears I would be legal in 30 states. Most of the states in the "traditional" south would be covered as well as a number of the mid-west states that I might consider visiting in the future. Big plus is it costs less than Florida's permit.

June 20, 2009, 11:21 PM
None is "shall carry"..

June 20, 2009, 11:28 PM
None is "shall carry"..

I wish there was, though! There are a couple that are "shall NOT carry" though :cuss:

June 21, 2009, 12:45 AM
None is "shall carry"..

I thought AK and VT were. Never been to those states though, so don't know.

June 21, 2009, 08:29 PM
As a rookie I had to attend a NCIC/IDACS class taught at the District 35 Indiana State Police Post just north of Evansville, Indiana. A veteran Evansville City Police Officer was there with a snubnose .38 in a side holster. I asked him why he was carrying it during class. He said it was departmental policy for officers to always carry when off-duty. If caught without one he said he would be punished by the Department. I stated I thought that would be been a real PITA and the Evansville Officer seemed to agree. This was back in the mid 90's and I'm not sure if it is still EPD policy or not. I know this is apples and oranges but I did find it interesting. I think Switzerland requires all households to have a firearm IIRC.

Jim K
June 21, 2009, 08:34 PM
Most police departments require sworn officers to be armed at all times, with few exceptions. The policy is based on the concept that the officer is never really off duty and might have to defend himself or others or to make an arrest at any time. A bit of a PITA at times, but IMHO, generally a wise policy.

On a light note: Several years ago, a gang of thieves decided to raid a wedding reception, with the idea of stealing the valuable wedding gifts. Alas, the bride and groom were police officers, as was most of the wedding party and a majority of the guests. When the would-be thieves hollered "stick 'em up", they were instantly covered by 50 or 60 guns. Even the bride hiked her skirt and pulled a Glock from an ankle holster. Some days, good honest crooks just can't win.


June 21, 2009, 10:22 PM
HuntandFish, neither Alaska nor Vermont requires its citizens to carry. There are no "shall carry" states in the Union.

June 21, 2009, 10:25 PM
I was also required by my employing agency to carry at all times while within the city limits. However, that was the department's policy; the state (Florida) had noting to do with it.
Outside the city's limits, my carry rights were no different than those of Joe Citizen (legally, at least. "Professional courtesy" extended a little further.)

June 22, 2009, 02:06 AM
Jim Keenan...I don't know what part of the country you are from but most PD's and Sheriff Departments I'm familiar with here in southwest Indiana do not require off-duty carry unless uniformed (security work) or driving a department vehicle. I've been out of the game for years and have not really kept up with local LEO policies. There are different schools of thought on the matter like everything else. The wedding story is funny duty "shall" carry worked out well there.

Black Knight
June 26, 2009, 07:10 PM

Just sent off for the NH permit. I wonder how long it takes to get. When combined with my Virginia permit it adds quite a number of states that I may end up visiting during the rest of my career. Thanks for the information. Maybe someday I can return the favor.

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