[Bren]

I'll post a pic when someone gets it right. :D

Bren

[Erich]

So I'm guessing it's not that silly AMT thing with the stainless that galled.

[Bren]

Nope Erich, further back in time and they were Blue as Gawd intended 1911's to be. :p

[nextjoe]

I'm guessing one of Jim Clark Sr.'s longslide conversions, made by cutting and welding two regular slides?

Best,
Joe

[Ankeny]

I had one of Clark's long heavy slides back in the early 1970's. They were an awesome pistol.

[Bren]

1970's :confused: Nope, before that.

The original factory 1911 style longslide.

[jar]

IIRC, it went by Fred but I'm not sure if that was it's real name or a nickname. ;) :p

[Bren]

Maybe a pic will help.

[Norm357]

1911 Navy model? Im stretchin here.:p

[Dorrin79]

hey Bren - was it chambered in .38 super?

i don't remember the model number...

[bountyhunter]

Wasn't that the east german Mauserlinkakov that they were going to flood the market with as clones of the Colt?

[9x19]

The Llama POSer... I remember them well... besides the grip screws are too far apart... :neener:

[Johnny Guest]

Why do I suspicion you put on that lanyard loop just to throw us off?

Something cobbled up by a military armory? I see the illustrated piece is an -A1. It also wears the old "National Match"-type high fixed rear sight. Almost gotta be . . . .

Okay - - UNCLE!
What's the answer?

:(
Johnny

[DMK]

I don't know who made it, but I'm drooling on my keyboard over that thing.

Please post the answer soon so I can start searching the auction sites.

mmmmm, blued longslide.

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?s=&postid=556659

Edited because I can't spell. :rolleyes:

[BluesBear]

Hmmm ..
Not a Star because the Stars had an external extractor.

Looks like a Llama frame, except the early Llama's didn't have a grip safety, though later ones did. The serial number size and location is like Llama did theirs. The lanyard ring is typical Llama also, but Llama usually put them on the left side.

So I'd guess it's a Llama.

[Bren]

Well, we are getting somewhere. :p

Yep, the only difference for a 1911 is the grips screw location and no screw bushings, all parts look interchangeable and I've had it apart.

The lanyard IS on the wrong side, it's just the MSH pin and I've already moved it to the correct side. (post pic's)

Yes it is a early Llama, vintage 1931, some say older. This one has no date stampings so it must be the first run. (1929?)

Believe it or not, it looks well built and this was when they became Llama and was shaking off the "ruby" name and trying hard to build a good gun.

Mine is in 9mm long (largo) (banyard)(9x23) but according to the manual was designed to shoot other calibers without mods. (which my not be wise) The side is marked "9/9mm 38" and will probably chamber 38 super too. Some say these were built for Mexico.

This model also came in 38 and 45acp. They are pretty rare but I found it for less than a Mak and it still had cosmoline in the FP and Extractor and hasn't been shot much. No rust but it has scratches here and there . All my 1911 mags fit the gun (9mm,10mm,and 45acp) and the slide locks back. All the safety check pass.

I haven't shot it yet but will try some largo them I'm going to fit a 9mm barrel and bushing. It has a good crisp trigger and feels and looks good. :D


Funny how a longslide was factory built so long ago eh?



Anyway, I STILL need a name from you guys! It has something to do with the length. :uhoh: Bren

[Andrew Wyatt]

that's not a 1911, it's a llama.

[BluesBear]

Almost all of the Llama from that time frame that I have seen were marked "Llama Especial".

Yours looks like it's a 6" barrel. Nice balance of lines and form. I always thought that the AMT Longslide Hardballers just looked funky with that 7" barrel.

Also didn't the older Llamas have a longer firing pin than a Colt? IIRC the FP would dimple the primer if you lowered the hammer on a live round.

Also, with some of them, you could engage the thumb safety with the hammer at half-cock.

[Bren]

Blues bear, on this model, the FP is longer in order to strike other calibers. I can drop in another from my parts bin and I never lower the hammer on a 1911 anyway. The safety doesn't move at half cock.

Andrew, this guns is every bit JMB's 1911 design and the parts interchenge. :rolleyes: I think you're just mad because you can no longer buy real 1911's in Kalifornia. :p

[Gordon]

I collect Spanish steel and would give my left *&^ for that 'un!:D

[Bren]

Gordon, Have you seen or heard about these before?

BTW, The name is,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,



"EXTRA"

[Andrew Wyatt]

I think you're just mad because you can no longer buy real 1911's in Kalifornia.


*shrug* 1911's have grip screw bushings and take 1911 grip panels. and have inertia firing pins.

[nextjoe]

and have inertia firing pins.

So does that mean my Colt isn't a 1911, since it has a firing pin spring? :confused:

AFAIK, all 1911s use firing pin springs...

Best,
Joe

[Andrew Wyatt]

inertia firing pins don't rest on the primer when the hammer's down. FP springs don't have anything to do with that, one way or another.

[nextjoe]

Ah, I was mixing up inertia firing pins with floating ones, like the Garand. Gotcha now.

Best,
Joe

[Bren]

Andrew, PAAAAAAAALEASE! Soooooo Colt, SA, Kimber, S&W, and Para aren't 1911's either because of all the Kalifornian correct safety devices? :rolleyes:

:barf: :barf: :barf: :barf: :barf:

Maybe the A! isn't a 1911 either?

BTW, The FP on the "Extra" is about the same (1911 with spring) and doesn't protrude with the hammer down.

[BluesBear]

Nextjoe

An inertia firing pin is shorter that the firing pin channel.
When the hammer strikes the firing pin it moves forward and uses inertia to hit the primer. It is then drawm back to the rear by the firing pin spring (which technically should be called a firing pin return spring) until the real of the pin rests against the hammer. When the hammer is cocked, the firing pin spring further pushes the firing pin to the rear so the hammer is able to strike it again. Another term could be rebounding firing pin.

In the Llama and many other foreign made pistols when the hammer hits the firing pin it stays in contact with the hammer on one end while the nose hits the primer. So if the hammer is down against the firing pin that means the nose is also resting against the primer which is a very dangerous condition. Which is why you keep an empty chamber under the hammer of a Colt SAA.

edited to add... I was typing this while y'all were replying.

[nextjoe]

BluesBear,

Thanks but I got it already... I was thinking of a floating firing pin (no return spring) for some reason...

Best,
Joe

[BluesBear]

Well if y'all want to get technical if it wasn't manufactured under an official government contract, by an approved government contractor it ain't a 1911 or 1911A1.

But if y'all ain't splitting hairs, then all of the aforementioned pistols are examples of 1911 TYPE or 1911 STYLE pistols.

:neener:

Y'all play nice now.

[Bren]

Yes, I'll by that but since JMB was dead in 1926 who has the athority?

:neener: :neener: :neener:

Hahahaha! For the recod I stated Style in a latter post.

I just don't like when people get to testicle. :p Bren

[Gordon]

Bren: Llama "Extra"'s are much desired by Spanish collectors, but remember Spanish guns are cheap which is what makes it fun. Yours is worth $400 or so without a complete exam. Check out Sociedad Largo forum.:)

[makarov1989]

A longslide Llama? Cool. Not all Llamas are junk. I have seen some older ones that were decent. You can't stay in bussiness for as long as Llama by making junk. The Mini-Max .380 pistols that I have seen have been worse than junk but that doesn't mean that all Llamas are junk.

How does it shoot with that 6" bbl? I bet it is a cream puff. Probably pretty accurate also judging by most Spanish 1911 style guns I have shot. They tend to be good shooters.

[Bren]

Gordon, thanks for the info.

Mak, just got it and havn't shot it yet. Bren

[BluesBear]

Are we going to see the original photo of the right side without the markings blanked out?

[Andrew Wyatt]

Andrew, PAAAAAAAALEASE! Soooooo Colt, SA, Kimber, S&W, and Para aren't 1911's either because of all the Kalifornian correct safety devices?


What safety devices? Series 70 style 1911s are kosher here. they just have to pass the drop test.

[BluesBear]

Just hope that they don't start dropping them on their muzzles. :scrutiny:

[Andrew Wyatt]

they do.


it's odd how many of them dangerous series 70 1911's pass. (every one so submitted).