Metal detectors at bank door


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jim357
June 21, 2009, 12:36 PM
I live in Southern California and have noticed something in the past few months. I am seeing more and more banks with a metal detector system at the door. I was walking past one last Sunday that was closed and took a good look through the glass. The system is like a long tunnel about 15 feet long with a metal detector in the middle. You enter the front door, go through the detector and if they decide to let you in, the inside door is unlocked. There is also a small table with a TV camere pointing down at the table which I assume is to put your metal items on to be looked at using the TV camera when you then go through the detector.
I understand that the bank is concerned with getting robbed, but I am not a bank robber and don't like being treated like one. My bank does not have one installed (YET) and I am not sure what I will do if it is installed. By that I mean that if all banks do this, there is no bank to move my account to without one. My main concern is that I am offended by this. What do you think? Jim

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PT1911
June 21, 2009, 12:45 PM
offended why exactly? because you cannot carry a gun in the bank, because it takes a little longer for you to get done what you must. Sure it is an inconvenience, but I am not sure what you are getting at here... all the more reason for direct deposit and using the drive through. I avoid going into the bank whenever possible anyway...

rickomatic
June 21, 2009, 12:55 PM
Why don't they just put a "No Firearms Allowed" sign on the front door?








:rolleyes:

TimRB
June 21, 2009, 01:22 PM
"My main concern is that I am offended by this. What do you think?"

I think you should let them know why you're taking your banking business elsewhere.

Tim

PT1911
June 21, 2009, 01:25 PM
i am not sure what there is to be offended about.. he is not being treated as a suspect, all customers are being inconvenienced in an attempt to prevent a crime...seems to me they will have more of an issue with delays and long lines but still nothing to be OFFENDED about... after all, they arent insulting your mother....

divemedic
June 21, 2009, 01:27 PM
The bank that I was using for my business had one of those man traps but the funny thing is that when I first was going through, I placed the case that contained my paperwork (and a handgun) on the table, and they buzzed me in.

After I did business there for a little while, they just buzzed me in anyway, even though the detector sounded.

I no longer use them (they were in trouble, so I moved my accounts. They wound up being taken over by the FDIC)

george29
June 21, 2009, 01:28 PM
Use the drive in. A bank is the last place I will blame for adding security like that.

84B20
June 21, 2009, 01:28 PM
Another reason to leave CA like I did almost 10 years ago. If you have a CCW and the bank doesn't have a no guns sign, just pull out your permit and show the guard. If they still object take your business elsewhere or do what I do, use direct deposit the ATM and home banking on your computer. Fortunately, BofA doesn't seem to have the same restrictions. They even offer a 2A MasterCard which donates to the 2nd Amendment Foundation. (Shameless plug but I'm not associated with them other than being a customer)

jim357
June 21, 2009, 01:36 PM
I seem to have generated some hostility because I resent being treated like a criminal when entering a bank that is holding my money. For some transactions, one must enter the bank. I understand why they are doing this. To give a more detailed answer as to just why I am offended, I would have to say that it is because I am not a bank robber as I am sure their other account holders are not bank robbers and I think there could be some way of letting account holders enter without having to pass through a metal detector. If I was entering a bank to open an account (i.e. not a current customer) I really would not object. I see it as just one more place where we have to line up like sheep to be inspected. And, maybe, just maybe, that is the reason. Jim

PT1911
June 21, 2009, 01:41 PM
so you trust that everyone who has an account in the bank wouldnt rob the bank. perhaps open an account at the minimum amount to get around the metal detector. If I was intersted in robbing a bank I am sure I would be willing to trade a couple hundred bucks for several thousand. Your "Account holders" exception is a flawed idea... then of course you could go the way of only those who have X amount in the bank or have been customers for X amount of time, but then you are just being biased to someone who is not as financially well off or got fed up with their last bank.

george29
June 21, 2009, 01:42 PM
I resent paying car insurance even though I have never caused an accident and haven't been ticketed in 30 years. It's called Risk Management and we live in a world that thinks collectively. Don't take it personal.

kingpin008
June 21, 2009, 01:46 PM
As much as it'd bug me to have to spend the extra minute anda half going through the metal detectors, I'd be more than happy to do it if it meant that my money was safer from theft because the detectors were in place.

divemedic
June 21, 2009, 01:47 PM
Except that an account holder has already shown his identification, and the bank knows who they are. If they rob the bank, they will quickly get caught.

I feel the same way about Best Buy, when they insist on searching customers who are leaving, especially when they see me coming form the direction of the cash register.

That is why I mostly shop online now. When I do shop in a store, I refuse to allow myself to be searched.

PT1911
June 21, 2009, 01:53 PM
Except that an account holder has already shown his identification, and the bank knows who they are. If they rob the bank, they will quickly get caught.

so in this era of identity theft you really want to "bank" on that idea...?

The authorities will look pretty idiotic when they show up looking for a young, athletic white guy and open the door to find an old, blind black guy....OR vice versa

allowing select people through a security device simply because they do buisiness somewhere is idiotic. May not be the first law of self preservation but I am sure it is one, dont FULLY trust anyone.

jim357
June 21, 2009, 01:57 PM
The account holder exception of which I was thining would allow them to ID the person as they enter the bank. If they know who you are, by name and social security number and you are identified yourself when you enter, then you would not likely rob the place. But you may be right, there are a lot of social security numbers floating around that are biing used by the person to whom they are not really issued. Back to the drawing board on that one.
But it is not useful for someone to tell me how I should feel about this issue. So far in this country I do not have to like everything that goes on. I don't like the idea of metal detectors at the door of many government and even private buildings. I don't like having to walk throught one of these things to show that I am not whatever it is they are afraid I am. I understand that many people have no problem with this and I have no issue with your lack of concern. I also understand that my opinion is a bit extreme for 2009. I just see it as a case of people being treated like sheep. I mean no offense to anyone who thinks the metal detectors are a good idea, it is just my OPINION. We are moving so far away from individual freedom that I hate to see even a little bit of it go away. Make no mistake, it goes away small piece by small piece. What would happen if these things showed up at the bank doors 20 years ago. I think a mass loss of customers. We are no so used to such loss of privacy and freedom and dignity that many folks like the idea. Maybe I am just getting old and cranky. Jim

jim357
June 21, 2009, 02:02 PM
Best Buy really wants to search customers leaving the store? What do you mean my search? I have a mental picture of something that can only be described as funny. Jim

PT1911
June 21, 2009, 02:03 PM
I agree that it is irritating and i would rather avoid it if possible, I understand your stance of being put off by it. I am attempting to think of methods that could be used instead, but each has its drawbacks. If one is offended by a metal detector, then any other security separation device would likely be equally offensive.

RobNDenver
June 21, 2009, 02:06 PM
Jim,

I don't think that you are overreacting or are wrong. There is absolutely nothing wrong with being upset when a commercial establishment like a bank chooses to act as if all its customers are crooks. I'd take my business elswehere, and let them know why.

When I travel, and am asked for a photo ID when checking in to a hotel, I tell the desk clerk no. I'm polite, even when they tell me that "Federal regulations" require it. I hand them my credit card and remind the clerk that they know who I am, my identity is reflected in my reservation and credit card.

If banks want to stop bank robbery there are many architectural features and security measures that will make them less vulnerable. They would prefer to inconvenience you, than to spend the money needed make these changes or to hire armed security officers to protect the bank branch.

Non illegituum carborundum. . . .

duckman007
June 21, 2009, 02:14 PM
There is a metal detector on the market now called the Gun Gate. It allows people to walk through without emptying their pockets and all that other nonsense and will not alert except if the person is carrying a gun. It seems to me that this type of setup, which is just as cost effective as the typical metal detector, can be used very discreetly and therefore without the hassles associated with a standard metal detector. The bank can then post the appropriate signage and be done with it. I personally don't feel it's unreasonable for a bank to restrict firearms on their premises. I may not like it, but I understand and comply. However, I do agree with the OP that being herded through a metal detector to simply get to your own money is annoying. There are better ways to impress your clientele.

divemedic
June 21, 2009, 02:23 PM
Best Buy really wants to search customers leaving the store? What do you mean my search?

A number of companies do this. They go through your bags and check them against the receipts. I do not allow myself to be searched. I find this practice to be highly insulting: "We want your money, but we think you are a thief."

Even though it has been well established that companies lose more to employee theft than they do to customer theft.

There is a metal detector on the market now called the Gun Gate. It allows people to walk through without emptying their pockets and all that other nonsense and will not alert except if the person is carrying a gun.

and how does this machine know the difference between a 15 ounce revolver, and any other 15 ounce metal object?

DeepSouth
June 21, 2009, 02:43 PM
I wear steel toe boots about 99% of the time, yes medal detector's are annoying. But I can tell you if you want to go into our local court house with 10 ccw's on you, all you have to do is put on the steel toe boots and point it out. They just wave you through. I think it is kind of funny, and defeats the point.

Personally, I would also be annoyed buy them at my bank. But no more than I go inside I wouldn't let it get to me to bad.

chris in va
June 21, 2009, 02:50 PM
We have one of those here in Louisville, near downtown. It is definitely a creepy feeling getting 'scanned' for weapons when you just want to make a deposit. Needless to say I don't go to that branch anymore.

Hey, you should put something large and metallic in your pocket next time to set off the detectors. Just make sure it's 'benign'. Maybe a large 16th century gold medallion?:p

AK103K
June 21, 2009, 02:57 PM
I think you should let them know why you're taking your banking business elsewhere.
Exactly.

rcmodel
June 21, 2009, 03:04 PM
I was offended when a Sheriffs Deputy with a wand made me take my little Swiss Army Knife back to my truck, parked three blocks away, when I reported for jury duty last year.

I was offended when an armed guard at the Social Security office made me take my Benchmade 710 back to the truck when I applied for SS.

Those were the only two times I have been totally disarmed since Army basic training in 1964.

However, it's the times we live in.
And the times, they are a changing!

rc

george29
June 21, 2009, 03:12 PM
all you have to do is put on the steel toe boots and point it out. They just wave you through They made me take mine off.

duckman007
June 21, 2009, 03:45 PM
and how does this machine know the difference between a 15 ounce revolver, and any other 15 ounce metal object?

I'm neither the manufacturer, nor am I affiliated with the company, so I don't have the how's and why's. But I have a friend who is somehow affiliated with the company. He told me that he and some others put on a demo for the FBI, who had the same questions as you or I would have, then some. He said that they tried everything they could think of to fool it and it hit positive on every gun, every time and had zero false hits. Again, this is coming from a friend and I did not see the demo. He claims it works and works good. Take it for what it's worth.

B yond
June 21, 2009, 05:41 PM
I honestly don't see why they'd be so concerned about being robbed. It they're FDIC insured what do they care? Give the robber the money, send the surveillance tape to the feds, and go about business as usual.

I can't imagine that it'd be worth it to them to inconvenience all their customers like that.

oron
June 21, 2009, 06:21 PM
BOA Az. has no problem with guns
CCW or OC.
Liked it there, ALOT!!
Besides if PRK goes tits up. There heading E.

rcmodel
June 21, 2009, 06:30 PM
I honestly don't see why they'd be so concerned about being robbed. Give the robber the money,A lot of those deals go south!
Shoot-outs, or worse, leave no witnesses.
And do you really want some crack-head waving a gun around with his finger on the trigger?

One in K.C. a couple of years ago turned into a hostage situation with everyone forced to strip and parade out the front door to the get-away van. The bank robber was shot and killed by police later while trying to hijack a Cessna 172!

rc

DeepSouth
June 21, 2009, 09:28 PM
I honestly don't see why they'd be so concerned about being robbed. It they're FDIC insured what do they care? Give the robber the money, send the surveillance tape to the feds, and go about business as usual.

I don't know much (at all) about banking but I'll bet insurance has a little something to do with it..

LibShooter
June 21, 2009, 09:46 PM
I'm pretty sure it would take less time to go through the metal detector than to produce and process enough ID to prove you're a trusted customer.

The bank's a private business, they can do what they want. So can you. There's a bank on every corner around here. They must have even more in SoCal. Brave the gauntlet one last time and close all your accounts. Tell them why. Find a bank that does business the way you like.

At least you don't have to take off your shoes like all hijacking and terrorism suspects at the airport.

BTW, insurance or no, folks get shot during bank robberies.

Colorado Luckydog
June 21, 2009, 09:54 PM
I carry my gun to my bank everytime I go. Sometimes open, sometimes concealed but I'm always armed. This is just another move to help disarm honest Americans. The ones of you that can't see that are just another part of the herd of sheeple.

I don't blame you for being upset. I'd tell them to pound sand!

GoodKat
June 21, 2009, 10:51 PM
This is just another move to help disarm honest Americans.
Banks are out to make money, not press their political ideals. It isn't disarmament, it's just overreaction and irrationality, I don't understand why everyone wants to convince themselves that they're "persecuted".

jerkface11
June 21, 2009, 11:26 PM
Banks are out to make money, not press their political ideals. It isn't disarmament, it's just overreaction and irrationality, I don't understand why everyone wants to convince themselves that they're "persecuted".

Pretend it's a Bible detector not a gun detector. Now would that be persecution?

LibShooter
June 21, 2009, 11:58 PM
Pretend it's a Bible detector not a gun detector. Now would that be persecution?

I was about to make make a snarky comment along the lines of "You can't rob a bank with a bible."

Then I found this. Maybe they need a bible detector.

Bible-Toting Man Uses Good Book In Bank Robbery
TACOMA, Wash. -- A man used a Bible to show a note indicating a bank robbery to a teller in a Tacoma Bank on Tuesday.
Surveillance photos showed a man walking into a U.S. Bank on Broadway Avenue. Police said the man gave a teller a Bible and asked her to open it to a specific page where he had written a note demanding cash and threatening to kill her if she didn't comply.

http://www.kirotv.com/news/18203603/detail.html

ishida
June 22, 2009, 01:03 AM
I'm neither the manufacturer, nor am I affiliated with the company, so I don't have the how's and why's. But I have a friend who is somehow affiliated with the company. He told me that he and some others put on a demo for the FBI, who had the same questions as you or I would have, then some. He said that they tried everything they could think of to fool it and it hit positive on every gun, every time and had zero false hits. Again, this is coming from a friend and I did not see the demo. He claims it works and works good. Take it for what it's worth.

Wouldn't that make the very use of the metal detector...Well, USELESS? So, it's some plastic arches?

Double Naught Spy
June 22, 2009, 05:42 AM
I understand that the bank is concerned with getting robbed, but I am not a bank robber and don't like being treated like one. My bank does not have one installed (YET) and I am not sure what I will do if it is installed. By that I mean that if all banks do this, there is no bank to move my account to without one. My main concern is that I am offended by this. What do you think? Jim

Since your main concern is that you are offended by new security measures, I would suggest talking to a good therapist about your emotional self perceptions to perceived negative emotional stimuli in an ever-changing world.

danprkr
June 22, 2009, 09:09 AM
It allows people to walk through without emptying their pockets and all that other nonsense and will not alert except if the person is carrying a gun.

I can just see that report, "Two men carrying an alleged explosive device robbed the ___ Bank today. The police responded to the alarm in 32 seconds, but the suspects got away because the officers were detained by the gun gate."

Cannonball888
June 22, 2009, 09:28 AM
Lucky for this bank they allowed guns.

http://www.wxyz.com/news/local/story/UPDATE-Gun-Beats-Bomb-in-Bank-Robbery/F9S43ooAc06DhhI3wU0Tdg.cspx

22LRFan
June 22, 2009, 09:50 AM
so in this era of identity theft you really want to "bank" on that idea...?

PT1911 no one deserves that kind of punishment.

I think I would be a little perturbed if my local bank set up metal detectors. Like it was already said, with the FDIC, it's not my money the robbers are are getting. I mean if a big heist was going down with 4 guys/gals fitted with...oh let's say full-auto MP5s...it's not like everyone inside won't know they have a gun on them.

smee781
June 22, 2009, 09:50 AM
I guess its a good thing you dont bank with them. I would not put up with that as a customer either if it were my bank. For all of you who dont think that this is just another step in controling you , you should really wake up. First its this little thing, then another little thing then another, where does it stop? Soon you will have to change into your official walmart shopping uniform (provided in the walmart changing area, at the front of the store) to be able to enter walmart to shop. I know that sounds a bit extreme but again its just a security measure to stop people from robbing or stealing from walmart. Would that be ok? Look I dont wear a tin foil hat or anything like that but it concerns me that most of you who have replied on this thread dont see this as another form of control. You sheeple just seem to say OK this is small and not a big deal so its OK, but small things add up and soon you have no leg to stand on because you let this happen by your contuined support of companies like this. I wont go to one of the local movie theaters because they think the criminals will see the no CCW sign and drop there illegal guns off back in the "ride". I disarmed and went inside and got the manager and told him I would never come back into this place of bussines as long as they had that sign in the window. You can show your support for your rights by not supporting this kind of infringement. Good luck to all the sheeple out there.

DHJenkins
June 22, 2009, 10:02 AM
Use the drive-through.

smee781
June 22, 2009, 10:21 AM
Does no one read the original post before posting!!! He does not bank there! QUOTE (My bank does not have one installed (YET) and I am not sure what I will do if it is installed). His concern is if this way of "security" catches on and all banks do this. It appears that the drive through is going to be the only option.

marv
June 22, 2009, 10:28 AM
Can the detector tell the difference between my artificial knee and the steel plate in my arm and the gun and knife in my pockets?

Double Naught Spy
June 22, 2009, 11:05 AM
Bad post as I missed the "gun gate" as being a product name.

Interesting system, duckman007.

duckman007
June 22, 2009, 12:03 PM
Marv -
If you are asking whether the Gun Gate can tell the difference between a metal knee replacement, a steel plate in someone's head, a knife, and a gun, the answer is yes. The Gun Gate can tell the difference.

Those interested in the Gun Gate and how it works can visit their website:

http://www.gungate.com

There is also a FAQ section on their website.

If someone is interested in more information than is on the website, feel free to send me a private message and I'll be happy to put you in contact with my friend.

10X
June 22, 2009, 12:09 PM
Getting back to the original OP's question.
I think he is absolutely right to be offended. I would not tolerate this police state like action either. I will not be treated like this.
I would pull my business accounts and personal accounts if the bank continued this.

5knives
June 22, 2009, 02:22 PM
Perhaps it's my age and the fact that I remember a rather different United States.

But I found the solution in the mid nineties.

I don't do metal detectors!

Barring the extremely rare visit to a federal building, or Court House, or the equally rare absolute necessity of meeting or seeing someone off at an airport, I simply do not do metal detectors.

Period!

A metal detector installation or the "wanding" process simply tells my that those in control of the installation feel it is a potentially dangerous place.

Clearly too dangerous for me to enter of my own free will, let alone enter unarmed. The practice smacks of the "lets harass the sheep who haven't done anything wrong yet, so that they'll fear doing anything we disapprove of in the future.

I would surmise that in an era of declining economy, failing businesses and incredibly high levels of mortgage foreclosures, that the detectors have nothing to do with Bank robbery.

More likely they are being put in place to protect upper level executive from furious disgruntled customers who believe they've been defrauded and seek redress..

I would suggest that Jim357 (IF his current Bank adopts the practice) do a brief survey of the alternative Banks in his area, select one without such insulting behavior to it's customers, move his accounts, and let both the old and new bank know why the accounts are being moved.

FWIW, between on-line banking, telephone and drive up windows, I don't believe I've been inside my bank in over a year, though I can see where others might find more frequent visits necessary.

As always, JMHO

Regards,
:)

esq_stu
June 22, 2009, 02:52 PM
Cannonball888: Lucky for this bank they allowed guns.Yup, I remember that story.

Move to Michigan. With a CPL (concealed pistol license) we are allowed to carry in banks.

jimmyraythomason
June 22, 2009, 02:53 PM
When my daughter fell in the bathtub with my ,then ,3 month old grand daughter I went to meet them at the emergency room of Children's Hospital in Birmingham. I was surprised to find a walk thru metal detector and TWO armed guards at the entrance. After receiving a verbal reprimand for bringing a knife to a hospital (2'' closed) I was allowed to keep it because it was so small. When my son-in-law arrived he was allowed to by-pass the detector open carrying his .40 Glock. Well, he WAS in uniform(BPD).

GoodKat
June 22, 2009, 04:04 PM
Pretend it's a Bible detector not a gun detector. Now would that be persecution?
A gun isn't a religious article, and a Bible generally isn't used to directly harm someone.

I am not a bank robber and don't like being treated like one....My main concern is that I am offended by this.
Are you offended by traffic laws and stop lights because they treat you like a bad driver? You need to realize that you aren't the only person on this planet, and things like metal detectors and safety measures aren't aimed directly at you, they are in place to accommodate for the members of society who aren't cautious or trustworthy and don't wear a sign saying "I'm a cretin".

jbrown50
June 22, 2009, 09:30 PM
Some of you people in these so called pro-gun forums drink the same kool-aid as the antis.

The Haulocaust Museum in Washington DC has metal detectors at the door too. That didn't stop an 88 year old nutcase with a .22 rifle from walking in and killing the .38 revolver weilding guard who was manning the detector. Exactly how would a metal detector stop a couple of determined bank robbers with AKs or M4s? They'd simply kill the two .38 weilding guards manning the detector and then rob the bank.

Metal detectors also make it easier for thugs to rob a law abiding citizen in the parking lot since he had to leave his gun in the car or at home because of the metal detector.

If the banks really wanted to do something they'd install bullet proof glass that's proof to .308 caliber at the tellers and have guards on duty with M4s or MP5s that they're trained to use. Not the "feel good" metal detectors at the doors.

But Nooooooo..........those black rifles are so much uglier than metal detectors and .38 revolvers.

The Lone Haranguer
June 22, 2009, 10:49 PM
A credit union where I used to bank in California was the target of a "takeover" style robbery with shots fired (warning/intimidation shots, no one was hit), and shortly thereafter double door foyers with metal detectors started appearing at their locations. I didn't blame them a bit.

Jefferson Herb
June 22, 2009, 11:43 PM
I think I would feel the same way.I live in a rual area,banking at the same credit union since 78,and I feel that I should be "known" by employees.
I tell new employees I should be asking for their Id to prove they work there,joking of course.
I never go back to a place that includes tip,[they screw employees out of money if they do a good job]and I would never shop at a place that searched me,and would return everything I purchased right then and there.
I refuse to pay on line,just shop and call to talk to a real person;who speaks english. Yep I understand.

GoodKat
June 23, 2009, 06:32 PM
The Haulocaust Museum in Washington DC has metal detectors at the door too. That didn't stop an 88 year old nutcase with a .22 rifle from walking in and killing the .38 revolver weilding guard who was manning the detector. Exactly how would a metal detector stop a couple of determined bank robbers with AKs or M4s? They'd simply kill the two .38 weilding guards manning the detector and then rob the bank.
The kind of detector the OP described would likely stop anyone with anything short of an rpg. I agree that the normal kind of detector that you can just go around is stupid and pointless in most cases.

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