Lets hear you favorite jhp brand and weight


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S&WMP45
June 21, 2009, 06:38 PM
Federal HST's and CORBON (sierra hp's, not the powerball) are my favorites, here's why:

these brands always expand consistently in ballistic tests, even through clothing, and with standard pressure (HST's only, corbons are all +P)


i know gold dot's are popular, but i have seen too many tests where GD's did not expand at all through clothing, or very little through bare ballistic gelatin. for this reason i would never use them. not sure why GD's are so popular.


i prefer the light weight jhp's because they penetrate less, and here's why:


the more penetration a jhp has the more energy it takes with it when it leaves the target. as apposed to dumping more of it's energy INTO the target-which is more affective.

law enforcement uses heavier jhp's because they often encounter situations where the added penetration is needed, but it is often at the cost of loosing some effectiveness.

165 grn 40 cal jhp's are more affective than 180 grn, and 115 9mm jhp's are usually more affective stoppers than the 147 grn's for this reason.

many people nowadays use the heavier jhp's, under the false impression that heavier is better, it's all about the energy delivered into the target.

lets hear some more favorites, and why.:)

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ccw_steve
June 21, 2009, 06:57 PM
I will say that I have limited experience with JHP's, but I would completely agree on the Federal HST's (I carry 147gr, standard pressure).

One of my friends used to carry +P Gold Dots in 9mm...then one day a crazy rottweiler attacked him and he had to pull his piece and shoot. Luckily, it scared the dog off but the dog lived (it was hit twice center of mass) :what:

They later found the Gold Dots in the sidewalk where the dog was shot, neither bullet expanded until after they exited the dog.

He's carried Federal HST's since then...

rcmodel
June 21, 2009, 07:02 PM
neither bullet expanded until after they exited the dog.But see, everyone wants bullets that meet the FBI 18" standard.

But dogs, and most humans, just ain't that thick.

And you can't have it both ways with a lot of calibers.

rc

S&WMP45
June 21, 2009, 07:10 PM
civilian don't need 18" of penetration, you want to minimize the chance that the bullet will exit the bad guy and maybe hit an innocent person

Blakenzy
June 21, 2009, 07:11 PM
Wow, last time I read anything on the subject it was only 12" minimum. Average BGs are getting bigger it seems.

The Lone Haranguer
June 21, 2009, 08:38 PM
In 9mm Luger, the Federal 9BP, their "old-school" load with a 115-gr. Hi-Shok JHP.

Masterof45acp
June 21, 2009, 08:46 PM
cor bon 45 230gr

tactikel
June 21, 2009, 08:47 PM
Hornady XTP 185 gr @ 1175 fps (+P) .45 acp. They feed flawlessly and are accurate as heck. I like Cor-bons but the price limits practice, and I really like to practice. :D

JAV8000
June 22, 2009, 02:18 AM
Double Tap 9mm+P 147 gr. Gold Dot JHP. 15" of penetration with .70 caliber expansion using the FBI method.

cyclopsshooter
June 22, 2009, 02:26 AM
Gold Dot 230gr .45AUTO

LoneStarWings
June 22, 2009, 02:28 AM
.40 S&W Federal HST 180gr

Feeds reliably, expands like crazy and exceeds FBI penetration criteria.

CapnMac
June 22, 2009, 02:37 AM
I am an old fan of Winchester Silvertips, in just about every caliber in the house. They are reliable for me, and consistent.

Neither the best nor the worst (depending on the bias of the results) in the publications, but, consistent for me.

Others' differ.

kyo
June 22, 2009, 04:44 AM
230g GS for the 45

Dr.Rob
June 22, 2009, 05:15 AM
.45 = 230 gr Federal Hydrashock
9mm = 115 gr Winchester Silver Tip
.357 mag = 158gr Federal Hydrashock
.44 mag = 300 gr Prvi Partizan SJSP (this is my woods gun and its loaded for bear.)

christcorp
June 22, 2009, 10:22 AM
Definitely, there is no FAVORITE. I have found over the years, as many others have, that each gun is different and does better with different ammunition. For me; of the 4 guns I use to carry/self/home defense; the verdict is:

S&W Model 13: 357 magnum; Federal 158 grain Hydra-Shok
SigSauer P220: 45acp; Remington 230 grain golden saber
FEG AP-MBP: 32acp; Fiocchi 60 grain JHP
CZ-82 (just bought): 9mm Makarov; Haven't tried yet, but told Hornady 95 grain XTP

Desert Dog
June 22, 2009, 11:25 AM
Sierra Power Jackets, 230 gr.

charlie-6
June 22, 2009, 11:48 AM
Sticking with my 230 hp gold dots---45acp.

MJZZZ
June 22, 2009, 11:54 AM
RA45T 230gr in my 45's
RA9124TP in my 9's

.357 magnum
June 22, 2009, 12:06 PM
The FBI Standard has not changed it is still 12" of penetration..

In my .45's I have Winchester Ranger 230gr Bonded or Ranger 230gr SXT's. In my .40's Winchester Ranger 180gr Bonded. In my 9mm's Winchester Ranger 147gr +P Bonded and Federal 147gr +P HST's. Speer Gold Duty Ammo has an Excellent Reputation in real life use with LE. It is Bonded Ammo and apparently it over penetrated the Rottweiler. My only real life experience with a non-human. Was back when I was undercover LE. We were about to take down what turned out to be a group of very heavily armed drug dealers. Turns out they had a Doberman trained to eat people like me:( The dog was to guard and alert them if someone approached the house. I ended up shooting and killing the Doberman as it charged me. That was one shot of Remington 158gr .357 Mag Ammo. Before anyone jumps on me for cruelty to animals, please note this was in the line of duty and a life threating situation:( I Love dogs:) I own a Black German Shepherd and a Full Blooded Black Lab. I will not even go Hunting, because I cannot kill a defenseless animal [I am NOT Morally against hunting, it is just something I cannot do]

The Best to All!

Frank

aliasneo07
June 22, 2009, 12:15 PM
for 9mm, I pack 147 GR Speer Gold Dots in my G19.

EOD Guy in VA
June 22, 2009, 02:23 PM
For all below: reliability, high velocity, muzzle energy & one-shot-stop percentages...

9mm +P = Speer Gold Dot, 124gr = 1,220, 410, & 88
40S&W = Speer Gold Dot, 155gr = 1,200, 496 & 93
357SIG = Speer Gold Dot, 125gr = 1,350, 506 & 91

weisse52
June 22, 2009, 02:50 PM
Simple. When I use JHP I go with 230 gr Federal Hydra-Shok.

S&WMP45
June 22, 2009, 04:06 PM
i have federal +P+ 115 grn jhp's law enforcement ammo and winchester ranger 115 +P+ in my glock 19.

these are good choices too, i actually prefer the federal over the rangers because they expand better in ballistic test than the rangers, and have a higher muzzle velocity and therefore deliver more energy in to the target.

357mag.
June 22, 2009, 10:07 PM
Cor-bon 125gr.Hp's in 357mag.as of right now.I may go with 158gr-er's when I retire my current carry ammo soon.Going to depend on how they shoot for me.

ljnowell
June 22, 2009, 10:25 PM
200gr Gold dots. I havent found a more reliable expander yet in my redneck backyard testing. Through two layers of denim they expand perfectly. Over about 8.5 grains of power pistol they are really nice.

DasFriek
June 22, 2009, 11:23 PM
In my G20: Double Tap
Caliber : 10mm
Bullet : Bonded Defense JHP
Ballistics : 180gr. @ 1300fps / 676ft/lbs- Glock 20
Glock 29 - 1240fps

In my PT1911: Cor-Bon
Caliber : 45 AUTO
Bullet : JHP
+P 230 GR. @950 FPS/461 FTLBS

S&WMP45
June 24, 2009, 12:59 AM
let's hear some more opinions!

mljdeckard
June 24, 2009, 01:02 AM
I've run out of reasons to carry anything other than 230 gr HSTs.

MICHAEL T
June 24, 2009, 04:10 AM
Corbon DPX in all my 45acp and 380 carry pistols

Gun Slinger
June 24, 2009, 02:56 PM
9mm: Hornady 147 gr. TAP "CQ" XTP JHP or the Wichester Ranger "T" 147 gr. JHP (RA9T)

.45ACP: Speer 230 gr. GoldDot JHP or Winchester Ranger "T" 230 gr. JHP (RA45T)

.44 Magnum: Hornady 240 gr. XTP JHP

me2
June 25, 2009, 11:17 AM
I believe that the FBI protocol for desired penetration in 10% ballistic gelatin is between 12" and 18" regardless of what intermediate barriers are encountered by the bullet.

The International Wound Ballistics Association looks for 13"-14" in bare gelatin and 12.5" to 16" after passing through 4 layers of denim.

Elvishead
June 25, 2009, 03:39 PM
myn bi roc an stooon

Col. Plink
June 25, 2009, 05:16 PM
Winchester Elite 230grain jhp, .45acp, mf.

CZF
June 25, 2009, 05:40 PM
Hornady's new FTX (critical defense line) in 9mm.

Light recoil and amazing accuracy, with expansion every time
according to Hornday.

This stuff is sweet!



http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb26/czrami/CZ%20SP-01%20PHANTOM/P-07%20DUTY/p7mag2.jpg

I'm hoping to see the Flex Tip FTX in 10mm.

S&WMP45
June 26, 2009, 12:46 AM
there's some ballistic tests (on some website) of the new hornady critical defense ammo where NONE of it expanded at all-apparently the rubber crap in the hollowpoint plugged it up lol.

the reviewer said they contacted hornady and they said it was a bad batch that got out of the factory-not very reassuring!

hillbillydelux
June 26, 2009, 01:04 AM
230 gn, xtp or gold dot

WRGADog
June 26, 2009, 11:04 PM
I also shoot Federal HST 147 grain

Mags
June 26, 2009, 11:12 PM
9mm Winchester bonded in 115grn
45acp Remington golden sabers bonded in 230grn
.223 combined technology moly coated silver tip in 55 gr
Those are my favorites but I have and trust
9mm 115 grain bonded golden sabers, 115 grain cor-bon +p, 115 grain hornady xtp
45 ACP 230 grain hydra shoks and speer gold dots
223 55 grain hornady tap

S&WMP45
June 27, 2009, 02:46 AM
the corbon dpx seem to be good stuff too-always expand and form sharp petals too. they start to tumble when they hit you, guess that means more damage.

VINTAGE-SLOTCARS
July 10, 2009, 04:04 AM
In 9mm I like the Winchester Ranger 147 gr. RA9T
In 45 acp I like the Winchester Ranger 230 gr. RA45T

Pack
July 10, 2009, 04:37 AM
45 ACP in 1911s

5" bbl = 230gr Federal Premium Personal Defense Hydra-Shoks
4.25" bbl or less = 165gr Federal Premium Personal Defense Hydra-Shoks

My rationale for this is probably very much out of date at this point, but I recall that the tests done by Marshall and Sanow showed the 230gr to be an outstanding performer - but only out of a full-length 1911.

OT for this forum, but on the subject of selecting bullet weights (based on the issue of velocities produced) in accordance with the length of the platform from which they'll be launched, does anyone have any idea what would be the better load for a 45 ACP carbine (16" bbl)? The wife doesn't like the standand "house gun" - my Saiga - and I'm thinking the Beretta Storm carbine in 45 ACP we've got should be pressed into use as her "house gun".

altitude_19
July 10, 2009, 04:52 AM
J-frame: .38 +P 100 gr Pow'r ball...controllable recoil, impressive penetration, and reliable expansion
.45 ACP: 230 grain Remington Golden Sabres...shoots just like hard ball Winchester White Box, accuracy, and HEAVY. I'm beginning to doubt the reliability of its expansion so I'm thinking about switching to 45 Pow'r Ball. But I don't think there's such a thing as a bad 45 ACP, so it's not a project at the top of my list.

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