Need info on 20" pistol, Stevens & co


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Beaves
June 22, 2009, 03:36 AM
Inherited recently a 20" tip up pistol along with many cool Indian items All from my grandmother who resided near a Sioux Indian reservation in the early 1910's. It's stamped Stevens & CO Chicopee Falls, Mass PAT SRPT.E.1864. It has another stamp with the number 1673 on the barrel and the same number on the bottom of the wood/metal handle. The barrel is octagonal, with no color. The main metal housing is a probably nickel plated. There is no trigger guard. I know absolutely nothing about firearms, but saw a few items on the internet to get some basic info. Can anyone help in identifying this pistol as to its beginnings and value range. Thanks.

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Speedo66
June 22, 2009, 09:14 AM
A Stevens "Bicycle" gun, missing the stock?

Jim Watson
June 22, 2009, 10:15 AM
Sounds like a Stevens "Hunter's Pet" without its shoulder stock. They made a wide range of "pocket rifles" but the Hunter's Pet is the only one Flayderman shows with a barrel as long as 20 inches. About 4000 made from 1872 - 1900.

Does it look like the one advertised at:
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=131041144
It did not make the reserve bid or $750 buy it now price and it has the stock.

kilo729
June 22, 2009, 01:24 PM
Your grandma lived in India? That must've been cool.

JohnBT
June 22, 2009, 04:12 PM
Having trouble with your reading comprehension? I don't believe there was a Sioux reservation in India.

I'll see what I can find when I get home to my books. John

Jim K
June 23, 2009, 03:33 PM
Stevens made a lot of that type gun, essentially a tip up pistol with a shoulder stock. When the National Firearms Act was passed in 1934, many owners avoided registration by simply discarding the stock and/or welding up the attaching holes.

While a 20" barrel gun would have been outside the purview of the act (and still is), with or without a stock, some folks chose not to take chances.

Jim

kilo729
June 23, 2009, 06:45 PM
John, my post is a comment regarding how it's wrong to call natives "Indians."

Check your books for that.

Beaves
June 24, 2009, 03:52 AM
Yep. It's a "Hunter's Pet" for sure without the shoulder stock. Very impressed with the feed back, thanks everyone....but where did India come from? Grandma lived in White River, South Dakota next to the Sioux reservation. (However, I could embellish the story a little I suppose). So what source is used to find out this info that only 4000 were made, etc.
Beaves

Beaves
June 24, 2009, 04:16 AM
Alright, now I got the "India" part. Point well taken.

Jim Watson
June 24, 2009, 10:44 AM
So what source is used to find out this info that only 4000 were made, etc.

I looked it up in Flayderman's Guide to Antique American Firearms. He set up a numbering system that was widely used, although I don't see it as much now that the Blue Book is taken as gospel. A Hunter's Pet without shoulder stock is a 5H-038, for example.

Jim K
June 25, 2009, 09:56 PM
FWIW, Flayderman's and the Blue Book complement each other and any "gun nut" should have both.

Jim

Jim Watson
June 25, 2009, 11:25 PM
Yes, I need to get the new edition while Mr Flayderman is still around to collect royalties.

Beaves
June 26, 2009, 03:47 AM
Thanks for the help. Your gentlemen and scholars..

lionel400e
July 12, 2009, 02:36 PM
Wanted to buy stevens pistols
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RonE
July 26, 2009, 11:57 AM
I can remember when I was a kid, we used to put on our cap pistols and play "Cowboys and Natives".

I once visited the Hoopa "Native" Reservation in Northern California (I think not!)

Has the BIA been changed to BNA?

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