Australia: "New answers sought on gun crime"


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cuchulainn
October 21, 2003, 09:31 AM
from the Sydney Morning Herald

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/10/20/1066631356248.htmlNew answers sought on gun crime

By Neil Mercer and Les Kennedy
October 21, 2003

The Police Minister, John Watkins, has asked the three most senior police in NSW to "think outside the square" to come up with solutions to escalating gun crime in south-west Sydney.

Mr Watkins met early yesterday morning with the Commissioner, Ken Moroney, and his two deputies, Dave Madden and Andrew Scipione. Although it was a scheduled, regular meeting, the main topic of discussion was last week's shooting in Greenacre, in which two people were killed in a hail of bullets.

The minister's spokesman, Josh Murray,said Mr Moroney had not asked for more resources, but added there had been talk about whether more people or greater search powers were needed. "The minister said 'let's think about it' and come back because the Premier and the minister have indicated there is room for more [resources] if more are required."

The controversial Operation Vikings, where large numbers of police "sweep" through crime-plagued suburbs, was also discussed.

The effectiveness of Vikings, set up last week, is coming under increasing scrutiny. The Government says it has allocated $20.6 million over four years to ensure the blitzes continue.

While it has succeeded in temporarily raising the visibility of police in some areas, it appears to have had little or no effect in stopping serious crime.

Last Friday night, more than 100 officers and specialist teams, including gun and drug sniffer dogs, swept through Bankstown, Bass Hill, Campsie, Lakemba, Punchbowl and Belmore.

While the operation was at its peak on Friday night, a 15-year-old boy walking with a friend was shot in the arm by a motorist in the outer south-west suburb of Macquarie Fields.

Among those deployed over the two days were 47 officers with sniffer dogs attached to Vikings with the specific mission of ridding trouble spots of handguns and thugs.

But police said no firearms had been found after a search of 110 vehicles.

One person, found with a shotgun cartridge, had been charged over possession of ammunition. Four knives were also found.

Mr Murray said it was the first outing for the specialist squad.

He said legislation increasing jail terms for possessing guns and gun parts was imminent. The police were also looking at ways of tracking bulk ammunition sales.

He said the minister had expected senior police to come up with ideas of how to combat the problems within days not months.

Copyright © 2003. The Sydney Morning Herald.

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sm
October 21, 2003, 09:44 AM
One person, found with a shotgun cartridge, had been charged over possession of ammunition. Four knives were also found.
Whew! Glad that menace was found and punished...who knows what all kinds of evil he was up to...:uhoh: :rolleyes:

Futo Inu
October 21, 2003, 10:25 AM
"The Police Minister, John Watkins, has asked the three most senior police in NSW to "think outside the square" to come up with solutions to escalating gun crime in south-west Sydney."

LMBO - if thinking inside the square is the same old gun bans that the bliss ninnies like to pass, then thinking OUTSIDE the square must lead them to - that's right - AMMO bans! I still seriously doubt they'll 'get it'.

Brian Dale
October 21, 2003, 12:40 PM
... two people were killed in a hail of bullets. Bloody weather. the minister had expected senior police to come up with ideas of how to combat the problems within days not months. If you misstate "the problem," then none of your solutions will work.

It's too bad that 'to quit disarming the regular people' is too far outside the square for you.

RobW
October 21, 2003, 01:35 PM
If you have a blown up tire, just let the air out of the other three, that will fix the problem!

Easy, isn't it?

erikm
October 21, 2003, 02:19 PM
I'd love it if someone in Australia suggested in public that one quick way to solve it would be to rewrite the law so that anyone without a standing conviction for a crime of violence could own and carry (including concealed) any weapon that fits all of the following
- is portable by one person or fits on a light (M240) or heavy (M2HB) tripod
- uses unguided munitions
- has a caliber of 40mm or less
- is not capable of fully automatic fire

He'd make me even happier if he also suggested a provision that anyone without a standing felony conviction could also own fully automatic versions of these weapons after passing a background check.

Of course, the likelyhood of someone makeing these suggestions ranks with pigs flying.

Cheers,
ErikM :evil:

LiquidTension
October 21, 2003, 02:35 PM
"...there had been talk about whether more people or greater search powers were needed."

That is some scary stuff. If the antis get their way, it'll be like that here in the US within my lifetime. Isn't that the way the whole gun thing has been going since the 30s anyway? Govt guy: "We took away some of their rights and we had more problems, so let's take away more rights and the problems will go away." I didn't say anything about "rights" of people in Australia because they don't have the same safeguards that we do. Over there, I guess guns really were a privilege.

Standing Wolf
October 21, 2003, 03:56 PM
If you have a blown up tire, just let the air out of the other three, that will fix the problem!

Shhhhh! Please stop giving the leftist extremists good ideas!

fallingblock
October 21, 2003, 11:37 PM
""We took away some of their rights and we had more problems, so let's take away more rights and the problems will go away." "
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This theory of what the Australian government is doing to combat crime....

And when the opposition gets into power, they'll redouble the efforts:what:

Rights? Too dangerous to the public safety.:fire:

7.62FullMetalJacket
October 21, 2003, 11:47 PM
If you just give them enough time...they have seized all the firearms of honset citizens, who are now defenseless....in their major sweep they found 0 guns....just a little more time to find the illegal ones.....flatten those other tires

Ryder
October 22, 2003, 03:07 AM
I'm afraid it won't be long now until they deduce the only one foolproof way to reduce crime. No other option left...

Less people! Have they begun building the concentration camps yet?

trooper
October 22, 2003, 06:39 AM
That is some scary stuff. If the antis get their way, it'll be like that here in the US within my lifetime. Isn't that the way the whole gun thing has been going since the 30s anyway?

Learn from our mistakes. Back in the '50s and '60s we had almost no regulations on firearms. Long guns, no matter what kind, could be bought by every grown-up person in the next sporting store.

Then the whole RAF terrorism thing got started and the government and our elected representatives decided that we needed tougher laws against armed criminals (needless to say that the terrorists didn't exactly buy their guns in sporting stores).

The preamble of the 1972 firearms law spelled: "This law only fulfills the purpose of combating violent crime, and is not to be used to harass law-abiding citizens by enacting petty administrative regulations."

Guess where we are now...

Anybody thinks Patriot Act?


Regards,

Trooper

Nathaniel Firethorn
October 22, 2003, 10:01 AM
Any gun that commits a crime should get the maximum sentence. :rolleyes:

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