[Dave Workman]

Suddenly, gun rights activists are "insurrectionists"

Seattle Gun Rights Examiner reminds anti-gun authors that this is a nation of insurrectionists

http://www.examiner.com/x-4525-Seattle-Gun-Rights-Examiner~y2009m6d24-Firearms-rights-activists-are-now-insurrectionists-say-antigunners

If that doesn't work, try this:

http://tinyurl.com/kkn94q

[TexasRifleman]

Guess I need a t-shirt with "Insurrectionist" on the front.

Who is gonna put together a group buy?

But as mentioned, we're pretty much a nation founded on that, so I'm proud to be one.

The entire point of the Second Amendment is to allow for violent insurrection by citizens should the government go off the reservation.

Nice article, thanks for the link.

[Birdmang]

That was a great article. The end about Tehran was golden.

[ezypikns]

And I believe gun owners are the most law abiding and responsible folks in the U.S.A.

[Shung]

Guess I need a t-shirt with "Insurrectionist" on the front

idea of the year :)

"ordered liberty" ... some people really seem not to understand a damn thin from past and History..

[NWGunner]

Spot on, Mr. Workman. Well done. I find it ironic that the very people they attempt to demonize are directly responsible for defending their freedom to express themselves in print.

[GEM]

Interesting - the NY Times had an editorial by Bob Herbert stating that the defense against tyranny argument was for nuts.

Then, they had an piece by Thomas Friedman that the insurrection or whatever in Iraq will fail as the populace is unarmed. He stated that Tweet-tweet (twitter) can't match bang-bang.

In a sad sense - the Iranian situation washes away that attack by the antis.

[KarenTOC]

I used to have an uncle named Erwin. That name could become pretty popular among gun-enthusiasts now :)

extreme right wing insurrectionist.

[TexasRifleman]

am tired of being "framed" by "writers" as being a "part" of an "insurrection".

You were originally framed that way by the Department of Homeland Security, the media is just riding along behind it.

Be mad at Napolitano.

The ones that won the election "fair and square" are not dealing with you in the same manner.

[Blakenzy]

What's the difference between an "insurrectionist" and an "insurgent"?

[Shung]

What's the difference between an "insurrectionist" and an "insurgent"? the latter is already shooting.. ;)

[eqfan592]

Wow, too hell with THAT guy! Thanks for the link. I'm gonna watch for this crap now (as if I wasn't already, but still).

[46R]

Hmmm, I wonder how well the likes of Horowitz and his ilk could withstand several tens of thousands of individual defamation of character suits filed against him in multitudes of courts scattered all across the nation for publishing such inflammatory rubbish about law abiding citizens?


Oh, and by the way after reading that list of historical "insurrectionists" it seems to me that although he didn't sign the DoI, there's a rather prominent feller from Virginia, first name of George, who kinda fits in with that crowd too, and might ought to be included, though I understand he was busy taking care of some urgent business out of town, up in New York, the day the DoI was signed in Philly... or something like that.

[eqfan592]

Wow, just reading the intro about the book shows that these guys CLEARLY never read a SINGLE WORD written by the founding fathers of this nation (outside of a quick glance at the constitution I'm sure. No need to give it any more thought than that of course!). And right in the FIRST SENTANCE they promote the idea that gun ownership is directly related to violence, when every single fair minded study of the information shows that there is NO connection between gun ownership and VIOLANT CRIMES. THAT is the real stat that gets buried every time the anti's bring up this issue.

GAH, now I'm really PO'ed.

EDIT: I mean come on! There's logical fallicies in the DISCRIPTION?? How can people be so damn blind to this!

Ok, i'm done ranting. sorry.

[BHP FAN]

I am as mad as HECK and I am NOT taking it anymore
I try to be respectful and calm here in internet land, but this is the last straw.
I am not not not not not not NOT NOT an insurrectionist, and NEITHER ARE YOU.

I am not breaking any laws, and neither are you. I love my country and believe it or not I love our government, I think it is a work of genius by our founders.

Insurrection is the act or an instance of open revolt against civil authority or a constituted government.

I am not in revolt against my government, either open revolt or hidden revolt.
My candidate was beaten FAIR AND SQUARE in an OPEN FREE ELECTION.
My fellow countrymen SPOKE and they WON.

I do not agree with our current leadership's ideas, but I am praying every day that God will give them wisdom.

I am tired of being "framed" by "writers" as being a "part" of an "insurrection".


+ 1 more...

[bearmgc]

Yes. +1.:cuss:

[danprkr]

I am afraid that the only time these guys may learn is when the tyrants come for their computers to stop their Freedom of Speech, and suddenly find themselves with us as their only protection. Then some of them MAY change their tune. Until then get used to being the bad guy, grow a thick skin, and make ready.

[daorhgih]

Red, or White cotton tee-shirt, imprinted.
(front, 7 LINES, centered)
U.S. CONSTITUTION /
AMENDMENT II /
A well-regulated Militia being necessary /
to the security of a Free State, /
the right of the People /
to keep and bear arms /
shall not be infringed.

(Rear, 2 lines, centered)
E R W I N
EXTREME RIGHT-WING INSURRECTION.
(& very fine print: I'm not a mall-ninja")

ANY BUYERS?? (will give royalty where royalty is due.)

((I posted the following one week ago on ano-THR site, but is was locked and blocked, as being "tin-hattery" and "TSIFalling rhetoric." I would GREATLY appreciate suggestions for editing it, and will certainly try to comply. It stands as written already on TFL.

You don't have to be guilty to be convicted, anymore. 2d Amendment Foes Tighten Their Nooses. So Be forewarned, Gun-owner; IT'S NOT political, and do not kid ourselves, gentlemen. THEY WANT ALL OF OUR GUNS. By one small millimeter at a time "they" will demonize the gun, marginalize the gun-owner, and make their move "to make the nation safer for all Americans" by removing the threats ( that's "Us".) The real threat to "them" is the 2d amendment, NOT just the gun it defends. The secondary threat to "them" is anyone who defends that amendment ( that's "Us") and owns a gun. Whether it be the "Automatic" (a demonizing word) that was used to assassinate a doctor, or the pre-ban, unregulated auto-loader (another set of demon words) .22 cal. long-gun that assassinated the guard in D.C., "they" want them all, and "they" want us. Us; they want you, and me. Wise up. What are you prepared to do? At 0300 the knock on your door may not be a neighbor asking for a cup of flour. When the hue-and-cry is "No guns for white supremacists", where will you be? Marginalized? When the hue-and-cry for "No guns for abortion opposers" heralds a new confiscation scheme, where will you stand? Marginalized a little bit more. It does not matter about how you really feel about those two particular causes, because the REAL, ROOT cause is "CONFISCATION": by any means. Demonize the gun; marginalize and label the gunowner; confiscate "For the good of society (or whatever.) The next major causal event will likely be closer to the bone, and very high up. "Homeland Security" high up. Don't say you were not forewarned. "They" will choreograph any scenario to suit them, in order to demonize the gun even further. The handwriting has been on the wall for a long time. Did you read it? It's never been LESS about Bambi.

[eqfan592]

Well here is the thing for me. While the Anti crowd gets under my skin, I actually think they are losing the battle. As we speak, even some of the most anti-gun politicians are recognizing that this issue is a political poison pill because, in spite of all their best efforts, the majority (even if it's a small majority) of people do NOT buy into their arguments. I actually think we have been making headway over the last few years, so I'm not nearly as doom and gloom as others are. Does this mean we can give up the fight now? NO! NOW is the time to REALLY hammer our point’s home in the mind of the public. NOW is the time to present them with the facts and to point out the logical inconsistencies in the anti's arguments.

Some of them may demonize us, but we have the facts on our side.

[Erik M]

so says the passive agressive anti-firearm journalist.

[Dave Workman]

so says the passive agressive anti-firearm journalist.
__________________


Erik M:
To whom are you referring?

[theotherwaldo]

So now WE are the ones that are bucking the Establishment!

-Just ran into some great quotes from Jefferson. A wishy-washy man but a great writer about rights:

"Government big enough to supply everything you need is big enough to take everything you have ... The course of history shows that as a government grows, liberty decreases."

"I think myself that we have more machinery of government than is necessary, too many parasites living on the labor of the industrious."

"The beauty of the second amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it."

"What country can preserve its liberties if its rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance?"

"Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty."

-What was that about those that refuse to learn from history?

[Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow]

Who is gonna put together a group buy?

Im in! Pistachio Green?

[BHP FAN]

subdued OD,with black letters?

[Big_E]

I don't like being labeled "negative" things, but insurrectionist is not something I am offended by. Mainly because the 2nd amendment allows me to try and overthrow the government if they get out of whack. Am I going to overthrow the government now? No. But with the way things are heading, I will not hesitate when the time comes. However, I prefer to avoid the violence and use voting to try and fix the problems. But Iran is a good example when the head hanchos make voting futile, so when votes become meaningless, then a little metal and gunpowder will do my voting for me.

[amprecon]

There is but one true authority in our lives. When people (the government) try to claim they are an authority over us and intervene between us and the true authority and we fight against that, then to be labeled an insurrectionist for this would be a proud title to have.

[SharpsDressedMan]

That is actually a compliment that far too few gun owners deserve. Our founding fathers were the true armed insurrectionists! If only every U.S. gun owner was willing to take such a stand. The rest of the world would take notice.

[Erik M]

Erik M:
To whom are you referring? I apologize for my lack of detail, I was referring to Mr. Horwitz mentioned in your article.

[Officers'Wife]

If your case is strong on the matter of law- argue the law.
If your case has strong emotional appeal- argue the emotion.
If your case has no strengths- demonize the defendant.

(rumored to be the motto of the New York City District Attorney.)

[daorhgih]

Any color but camo-prints!! Let the words be easy to read. I attend church with a shirt-printer, and just about any color that's lying around (if it's in your size) can be produced. I don't expect any profit on the deal, and will happily put the Mods in touch with the company if enough are serious, and if that's the way to run it. I'm not much of a Company Exec type. But theidea is a serious one. Anyone??

[ar10]

The Crown considered us terrorists, (Sons of Liberty), we're considered the "Great Satan" by many in the Middle East, and many Europeans still consider us "un-civilized" and decedent. It really doesn't matter much to me and I could care less. The point is every government that controls their populations, both past and present disarmed them.

[theotherwaldo]

Many of my ancestors had to leave Scotland after the insurrection.
One of was the last man hung, drawn, and quartered in Great Britain. For insurrection.
Another was chased out of Poland by the Czar's forces. For insurrection.
Some others were arrested by Jackson's forces and later walked the Trail of Tears. For Insurrection.
My sister belongs to both the DAR and the UDC, so I guess my people still hadn't learned about not being insurrectionists.

Why break such a glorious tradition?

[tasco 74]

i prefer to refered to as constitutionalist..................................... and thomas jefferson was right on about everthing he said.....................

LIFE IS SHORT...... can you hear me?? can you hear me runnin?? can you me callin you??.....................

[w_houle]

I don't like being labeled "negative" things, but insurrectionist is not something I am offended by. Mainly because the 2nd amendment allows demands me to try and overthrow the government if they get out of whack. Am I going to overthrow the government now? No. But with the way things are heading, I will not hesitate when the time comes. However, I prefer to avoid the violence and use voting to try and fix the problems. But Iran is a good example when the head hanchos make voting futile, so when votes become meaningless, then a little metal and gunpowder will do my voting for me.

The Constitution demands that tyrrany is overthrown... but oh, by the way Mr. Frog: Your water is boiling.

[ConstitutionCowboy]

I posted the following on a local website earlier today:

See how people like Horwitz, Anderson and Cornell must redefine words to get their "point" across? Take a currently distasteful word like "insurrectionists" and cast any particular group under the word, and viola! Instant demonize-ation. Instant derision.

An insurrectionist is one who rises up or revolts against established authority. What is the established authority in this country? Yes, it's the Constitution for the United States of America. Who are the REAL insurrectionists? Who are the REAL defenders of the Constitution?

The REAL insurrectionists are projecting. The REAL insurrectionists have never had a logical argument, must stir up emotions, teeter on the pretense of their elitism, and have come to the realization that they are just about to fall. Unarmed as they are, figuratively and most likely physically, they must incite the hoi polloi to do battle for them. They make themselves the hidden head of a snake, wagging the body of the snake out there while they - the cowardly head of the snake - hide out in their lairs of academe, litigation, and legislation.

Don't fear these people, because they fear us!

Keep up the good work, my fellow defenders of the Constitution. See how they run?

Woody

"It is up to We the People to decide if and when we shall revolt. It is not up to those in government to prevent it. It is up to those in government to see that revolution never becomes necessary." B.E.Wood

[danprkr]

Mr. Frog: Your water is boiling.

Sadly true.

[4v50 Gary]

Thank you Dave for posting that link. Excellent read.

[22-rimfire]

I'm offended by the label "insurrectionist" as I equate it with treasonous behavior not libertarion.

The label reminds me of the people who rebelled against the USSR from the government's perspective. Many of the movements were successful. Most had the support of the USA. Who is going to support these so called American insurrectionists? Al-Qaeda? Hezbollah? SA Drug Cartels? You see, the connotation is extremely negative from the perspective of the typical US citizen.

[Shung]

doesn't "insurrection" mean "fighting for liberty" ?

what does it mean if somebody calls you an insurrectionist ? that maybe part of your freedom as been taken away.. or close to it..

[Ohio Gun Guy]

Cold dead hands brothers! ............:cuss::banghead::fire:

[divemedic]

I'm offended by the label "insurrectionist" as I equate it with treasonous behavior not libertarion.

Because George Washington was a traitor who helped to lead a successful rebellion. whether or not one is a traitor or a patriot is always viewed through the lens of success and history.

[daorhgih]

From an article at: http://www.negotiationlawblog.com/ "...it's not just numbers entering the negotiation environment that influence decision-makers, it's also the way in which the information pertinent to the case is characterized. I don't need to tell lawyers this, all of whom were weaned on this proposition: if you don't have the facts, argue and law and if you don't have the law argue the facts." Evidently an old maxim. Un-attributed, but still valid. "If your case is strong on the matter of law- argue the law. If your case has strong emotional appeal- argue the emotion. If your case has no strengths- demonize the defendant." Very nicely amended. IMHO. We will see soon enough, that it IS all about the gun.

[danprkr]

On Glen Beck last night he spoke about a book out of France, written by the socialist left being released here in a couple of weeks in which they were OPENLY CALLING FOR ARMED INSURRECTION. The title was "The Coming Insurrection" Yet we're the bad guys?!?!?!?:fire::cuss::banghead::fire::cuss::banghead:

[61chalk]

Some beleive insurrection is wrong, an against the law, that is
rebellion against the government.....but didn't our Constitution give us that right if our government went against our Constitution...?....so then if our government decided to declare war on the Constitution, would they not be the real insurrectionist....that is if you feel insurrection is wrong...?

[SaxonPig]

I will wear that title proudly.

[moooose102]

I am not breaking any laws, and neither are you. I love my country and believe it or not I love our government, I think it is a work of genius by our founders.

well, the government is no longer what our founding fathers designed. it has become a corrupt, evil place where the "good of the people" has been replaced by the "good for the representitives" logic. to heck with the people.
At 0300 the knock on your door may not be a neighbor asking for a cup of flour.
it wont be a knock at 3 am, they will bust down your door, swat style, throw everyone into handcuffs, comfiscate all the guns they can find, and cart you off to jail. call child protective services and chuck your kids into the "system" because you as a gun owner are unfit to be parents, because you are poisoning the kids with your political veiws and exposing them to guns. if you shoot at the intruders when they break in your door, they will just kill you with their full auto weapons, and then carry out their missoin.

i've never been a fan of thowing my life away for somebody elses war. but when they come dirctly after us, to our own back yard so to speak, something has to be done. if you want to call me an isurectionist, go for it. that is not my name, or my game. i am a true loyalist. faithful to our constitution and our founding fathers ideals, and for what they had intended.
part of the problem in this country has been our own apathy. we should have shamed people like dr. joyce brothers right out of the publics eyes a long time ago. all of this touchy feely crap has lead to our nation turning into a bunch of soft wish-washy people with no backbone. she came along just in time to poison all the baby-boomers minds when they were in their impressionable years, and it really screwed up our country. she, personally is not to blame, but the veiws she portrayed, along with many others who jumped on the bandwagon with her is. it is funny, that the generation who wanted to "stick it to the man" does not have the ba((s to stand up to the politicians that gave away our country.
it started with the idiot carter giving away the panama canal, then, a bunch of those idiots gave away our nation with the n.a.f.t.a. treaty. now, we are all paying the price. every single person involved in the writing of the nafta treaty, along with the president who signed it, should be hanged for treason!
sorry for the rant, i am just sick and tired of this country going to he(( in a hand basket. it is a good thing that most of the wwI and wwII vets are gone. they had the stones to make this country what it once was, and now, it is headed on a huge downhill slide. i do not know if it can be stopped now. for my kids sake, i hope it can. but it will take a real man to grab the reins of this country, and a lot of backing by the rest of us to help him carry out a very unpopular house cleaning. if he could do it, without getting assasinated would be another story. corruption runs deep in washington. i think the only way it could be done sucesssfully is for us to vote in a whole different political party instead of the democrats and republicans. if the majority of them get voted out, then the job could be done. i also dont see a political party coming right out saying it is going to do such a thing either. so, until the next civil war starts, it is probably just going to keep getting worse.

[#shooter]

"ordered liberty" ... some people really seem not to understand a damn thing from past and History..

Oh I think they understand perfectly well, they just hope after several generations of public school indoctrination that "the people" will forget.

[daorhgih]

"It sounds like many of the posters on this site are insurrectionists, even." And your problem with this is.. .. .. .. .. exactly what? The alarming part of this administration is that its leader (not MINE) is not talking like a leader, but too, too much like a martyr. So Be It. Molon etc. "But they have automatic weapons." So? We may, also. Pay for the paper, use the gun. My "cold, dead hands" are in the bushes behind you.

[Kentucky]

Quote:
I'm offended by the label "insurrectionist" as I equate it with treasonous behavior not libertarion.
Because George Washington was a traitor who helped to lead a successful rebellion. whether or not one is a traitor or a patriot is always viewed through the lens of success and history.

Treason doth never prosper: what's the reason? Why if it prosper, none dare call it treason.

[Kentucky]

From Thomas Jefferson

God forbid we should ever be 20 years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, & always well informed. The part which is wrong will be discontented in proportion to the importance of the facts they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions it is a lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. We have had 13. states independent 11. years. There has been one rebellion. That comes to one rebellion in a century & a half for each state. What country before ever existed a century & a half without a rebellion? & what country can preserve it's liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon & pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. It is it's natural manure.

[SCKimberFan]

George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Samuel Adams, et al, were all considered insurrectionists. I am happy to be included with these men who willingly gave their lives for their cause.

[GBExpat]

George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Samuel Adams, et al, were all considered insurrectionists. I am happy to be included with these men who willingly gave their lives for their cause.

:confused: George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Samuel Adams lost their lives during the Revolutionary War?

[SCKimberFan]

No, but they were willing to give their lives. Better?

To quote Steve Martin, "well, excuuuuuuuuse me!

[Cannonball888]

I recently joined a militia.
That makes me more than insurrectionist. I think it makes me a "domestic terrorist" :rolleyes:

[JDoe]

On Glen Beck last night he spoke about a book out of France, written by the socialist left being released here in a couple of weeks in which they were OPENLY CALLING FOR ARMED INSURRECTION. The title was "The Coming Insurrection" Yet we're the bad guys?!?!?!?

I haven't read this book yet but if anyone is interested in what some European lefties are thinking you can read the book "The Coming Insurrection" online or download for free here: http://tarnac9.wordpress.com/texts/the-coming-insurrection/

Here is the youtube link for Glenn Beck's comments/review of the book

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKyi2qNskJc

and the accompanying text from the youtube page

The best book review yet! Read "The Coming Insurrection" here:
http://tarnac9.wordpress.com/texts/th...

Extreme Left Calling People to Arms

Wednesday, July 01, 2009
By Glenn Beck
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,529784,00.html

While the government warns that right-wing extremists could be domestic terrorists, and The New York Times, says I could incite those crazy conservatives to violence, the extreme left is actively calling for violence!

As world economies go down the tank and unemployment continues to rise, disenfranchised people are set to explode.

The dangerous leftist book that could spark this is The Coming Insurrection. This is a call to arms for violent revolution, authored anonymously by a French group called the Invisible Committee who want to bring down capitalism.

This started in France and spread to countries like Greece and Iceland, where people are out of work, out of money and out of patience.

Now its coming here. The book comes out in English in the U.S. in August. I have one of the first English copies.

The book was written after riots in the Paris suburbs in 2005 tore the country apart, and that was before the economy really got bad. This is the anti-Common Sense, where I call for peaceful protest.

This is a book of revolution. Remember this is not from the right, you know the radicals that everyone is so worried about in government. This is from the far left. Let me share a bit:

Take up arms. Do everything possible to make their use unnecessary. There is no such thing as a peaceful insurrection. Weapons are necessary.

The French government was so freaked out they arrested nine people believed to have written The Coming Insurrection on charges of criminal association for the purposes of terrorist activity for allegedly sabotaging train lines in France.

When I first heard of this book it was in The New York Times book section. A group had organized an unauthorized reading of The Coming Insurrection at a New York City bookstore. When they were shooed out of the store they went to Starbucks and so on. Not exactly terrorist activity; more of a curiosity.

But it gets a little more creepy when you look at this: One of those leaders arrested in France Julien Coupat was held for six months and just released this May. According to a story in The Globe and Mail back in January of 2008 while visiting Canada, Coupat and his girlfriend sneaked over the border to visit New York City. According to relatives, they didnt want their photos and fingerprints in the hands of U.S. authorities. Why is that? (By the way are our borders protected yet?)

Remember the media will tell you the right is the one to be feared. They do everything they can to tie any random nutjob shooting to conservatives. The shooter was a fan of 24′ — 24′ starred Jon Voight — Jon Voight is a conservative!

But this is a call for violence. Here is more:

Its a question of knowing how to fight, to pick locks, to set broken bones and treat sicknesses; how to build a pirate radio transmitter; how to set up street kitchens; how to aim straight.

The synopsis of the book describes it as an eloquent call to arms arising from the recent waves of social contestation in France and Europe a strategic prescription for an emergent war-machine to spread anarchy and live communism.

A few years ago I said that Europe is on the brink of destruction. This is yet another sign that its coming. Even in Japan where protests have been seen as taboo since the 1960s, young people angered over the economy and fear for their future — taking to the streets, beginning to unionize. The communist party of Japan says they are getting 1,000 new members a month.

This book has not even been released in this country yet. It has been passed hand to hand and via the Internet, much like the pamphleteers in pre-revolution America. Thomas Paine was one of them. He issued a call to arms. I am not doing that. You are an idiot if you start shooting people — all that does is delegitimize the cause. Be like Ghandi, like Martin Luther King.

But people on the extreme left are calling people to arms. I am not calling to ban this book, but you should read it to know what is coming and be ready when it does.

[scndactive]

I did a quick search on this prof. Saul Cornell. He's a real ass hat and arrogant about it too. It seems his tune changed mid sentence after Heller. Before Heller ''militia'' meant National Guard (which uses many of the same weapons as the army) yet after Heller's ''individuals right'' decision, his interpretation of US v. Miller concluded that a sawed off shotgun was not a military weapon and so was not covered under the 2nd yet he also stated that military weapons such as ''bazookas'' and ''stinger missiles'' were not meant for the militia either, but these weapons were perfectly OK when militia meant the National Guard.

You cant agree with something one day and disagree with it the next because it no longer supports your agenda, and be taken seriously by rational people.

Then again from what what I've seen lately this country is no longer comprised mostly of rational people. People are more concerned about scoring tickets to M.J.'s funeral than their basic personal liberties.:banghead:

[sophijo]

Damn right! Just like George Washington and group of revolutionarys!