New Jersey just took one step back on rights.


June 26, 2009, 06:31 PM
In case you have not heard, they managed to pass the 1 gun a month bill that was quickly signed.

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June 26, 2009, 07:13 PM
That's one major step back.... They are really sticking it to you guys up there. This doesn't really help, but I voted with my feet... I will never return to NY (and my services are of value up there). Sorry man, keep fighting.

June 26, 2009, 09:31 PM
As some have previously mentioned, most of us could do well to buy one a month....that's 12 per year. If I had started that 20 years ago, well, you can do the math....I'd have 240 guns. Now is that MANDATORY in NJ?

Jorg Nysgerrig
June 26, 2009, 09:33 PM
Not that I'm a fan of such legislation, but one of the few people I knew (RIP, Big John) that actually bought enough guns to be affected by that sort of thing lived in California. He had a queue at the dealer ready for each of the waiting periods to expire. I should be so lucky as to have that problem. :)

June 27, 2009, 12:16 AM
the problem is, this is on top of the pistol permits we wait months to get in the first place.

Think of the new shooters... you cannot get more than one handgun at a time...

the 5 guns I own, 2 were bought within 2 weeks, 1 was bought two months later, and last two were purchased together on the same day.

June 27, 2009, 12:45 AM
May not look like much but it is a step back.

there have been more than a few times I grabbed a couple guns at a show that I've really wanted.
It'll be a pain if you wanted something neat and tried to get paired numbers.
Is this one gun or one handgun a month? either way it sucks for those folks.
People who poke fun at the fact that most gun owners don't actually buy more than 12 a year aren't really seeing the big picture.

Kind of Blued
June 27, 2009, 01:03 AM
I'll be looking forward to reading the investigative committee report on the inevitable plummet in violent crime. :rolleyes:

I have far more faith in the ability of New Jersey criminals to get guns and kill people than I do in New Jersey's legislators to hold themselves accountable for their actions and make factually-grounded decisions.

As pointed out above, this doesn't effect that many people (especially criminals), but by no means is that a reason to let it by lightly. The preeminent support contact is seminal, but the follow-up complaint calls and e-mails are important as well.

June 27, 2009, 01:37 AM
Yeah, I can see that one hitting collectors of old school guns hard. What if you've been looking all over for the standard issue pistol and rifle of the Japanese army from WWII to go in your WWII collection and you finally find both at a show only to get hit with a one gun a month limit. Now you can only get one and have to go through the search next month for the other.

I can kinda see the logic of such a bill, the idea being to stop so called straw purchases. But since when do we take away the rights of old school gun collectors because of someone else breaking the law?

June 27, 2009, 07:51 AM
Yet one more reason to evacuate the Peoples Republik of New Jersey!

June 27, 2009, 08:57 AM
Many of the north-eastern states such as NJ, NY, Ma will only become more oppressive as the anti-gun people seem to congregate there. High taxes and anti-gun sentiment run rampant in those liberal bastions.
If you value your gun rights, it's time to plan your escape.
I did.


Clay McCord
June 27, 2009, 01:50 PM
One gun a month sounds fine until you take a closer look.

The way it works in NJ is that you apply for permits, restricted to several at a time depending on your municipality. Wait for sometimes months then have 90 days to use the permits.

It is set up so that you are making multiple purchases in a short amount of time. If you only applied for one gun at a time there is no way you could purchase 12 in a year. If you could easily buy a gun a month it wouldn't be so bad, but still gun control. That's why people apply for more than one permit at a time.

Gun dealers will see their sales drop dramatically. Some will go out of business. This is not good for the industry and will make it harder for you people that think this a reasonable bill to find the one gun you want at a reasonable price.

This bill is not about reducing gun crime. Even the people that voted for it know that. It's just a back door way to restrict the rights of law abiding people and putting gun dealers out of business to further their social agenda.

June 27, 2009, 01:54 PM
It's sad but NY isn't far behind NJ before they pass something similar.

June 27, 2009, 02:00 PM
Let's just hope someone can get it killed in the courts. Doubt it'll happen at the state level, but Heller does give one hope.

June 27, 2009, 03:27 PM
New Jersey IS a step back for gun rights! In New Jersey if you ain't a cop or a corrupt politician you have no rights. New Jersey is one of a small handful of states that chooses to ignore the US Constitution - always have always will.

I was born there and lived the first 10 years of my life two blocks from the beach. There's no way in hell I would want to live there as a taxpaying adult, much less a gun owner.

Just a note to add South Carolina at one time had a one-gun-a-month bill, too. It has since been repealed, but it was put in place at the behest of mayors from big northern open-sewer cities (Newark, etc.) who erroneously kept peddling the notion that guns used in crimes there had to be coming from the south, since their B.S. gun laws worked so well. SC wised up and got rid of their law since, and get ready for this: you had to be a legal resident of SC to legally purchase a gun there! Well, DUH!

June 27, 2009, 03:51 PM
===>Many of the north-eastern states such as NJ, NY, Ma will only become more oppressive as the anti-gun people seem to congregate there. High taxes and anti-gun sentiment run rampant in those liberal bastions.
If you value your gun rights, it's time to plan your escape.
I did.<<<!!!!

Yes sir-1.5 years and counting down to excape from NY!!
I cant wait to land in KY.......

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Clay McCord
July 19, 2009, 11:21 AM
It seems hard to believe, but this guy literally wrote the book on gun laws in NJ.

Yo Mama
July 19, 2009, 11:28 AM
NJ has been taking many steps back. This just keeps the ball rolling. I lost faith that we'd ever get NJ or CA back.

July 19, 2009, 02:37 PM
I thought the problem was that it limited dealers buying guns to one per month, meaning that they'll never be able to restock; essentially that a citizen needs to become a FFL just to buy his one gun per month.

July 19, 2009, 04:41 PM
I didn't hear anything about NJ gun owners marching on Trenton.

Fact of the matter is we as gun owners allow this to happen.

If you want something bad enough, you'll sacrifice time and money to do it. Read as taking off from work and going to Trenton.

If you didn't sacrifice anything to combat this legislation then you can't really complain.

July 19, 2009, 06:44 PM
I predict this "one gun a month" thing will go down soon enough - in CA, NJ, wherever the knee-jerk politicians have implemented the laws. First, we need to get the official ruling from SCOTUS that the 2nd Amendment is incorporated against the states. It would be great if SCOTUS had the cajones to announce that the 2nd IS a fundamental right, which would trigger strict scrutiny. Although, I am apprehensive that SCOTUS will liken the 2nd Amnd rights to abortion rights - that is, laws restricting will be upheld unless it places an "undue burden" on the RKBA. That would suck. Because then the one per month could be seen as NOT unduly burdening. But I still can't see how the quantity restriction doesn't infringe on the dormant commerce clause - the burden to interstate commerce is greater than the state's interest in whatever it is they claim their interest to be. (sorry guys - I'm in the thick of studying for the CA bar exam, and can't help the issue spotting and analysis!)

winston smith
July 20, 2009, 01:49 PM
SCOTUS is not going to save us. In its next incarnation the American Republic will not allow idiots to vote, run for office, or become "the most trusted man in America".

July 20, 2009, 03:40 PM
Why even live there?

July 20, 2009, 04:16 PM
Why even live there?

The delightful smell of chemical factories as you drive on the interstate? The angelic accents of the girls with the tallest and most beautiful bangs you've ever seen? Newark? The very reasonable yet almost non-existent gun laws? Being so close to our nations cleanest and friendliest city (NYC)? I dunno....

July 20, 2009, 04:24 PM
Right up there with the $1000 if you turn your gun toting neighbor in for having an illegal weapon!

July 20, 2009, 04:25 PM
You think that is bad... my wife recently passed a 2-guns-per-year bill on me.

I know it sucks to be forced by the government to limit you purchases... I with I could afford to be inconvenienced by such legislation.

July 20, 2009, 04:42 PM
this would really affect my purchases.

i always buy more than one firearm at a time. usually 2-3.

i honestly cant remember the last time i bought a single rifle or pistol.

its not because i just want that many more, but because i always buy enough so that my brother, my boy, and i can go shoot them together.

most recently, 2 springfield m1 garands, and before that 4 browning buckmark pistols, 1 for my son, brother, and brother in law as christmas gifts, and 1 for myself.

before that was 2 ruger 1022's. not for me but as gifts (1 for my brother and 1 for my son)

before that it was 2 ar15's, 1 as a gift, and one for me.

i bought a few colt 1911's before that, and again, one for me and others for others in my family.

its a terrible system for law abiding, responsible folks, especially those that shoot competitively.

July 20, 2009, 04:47 PM
Remember how they got in office.

Work on this at the next election.

July 20, 2009, 10:27 PM
While I understand your plight, I WISH I could AFFORD one gun per month!! :evil:

Also, what do you expect from a state that's controlled by wiseguys???

Furthermore, there is a reason why, further west, New Jersey is refered to as the armpit of the nation!! ;)

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