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stevenhyde
June 27, 2009, 01:25 AM
i had a question about alerting an officer to your chl and weapon.

there was a thread in another forum about a man in mcdonalds who called the cops on another man for various reasons.

when the cop got there, the guy who called the cops(who also has the chl) told the cop(and everyone else in mcdonalds) that he has a chl and a gun.

would it have been possible to show your chl card to the officer and ask him not to mention it to anyone else besides the other officers since no one else knew? i dont need 15 people in mcds knowning a carry.

like as soon as he asks "who called the police" say "i did. can you look at this and not mention it to anyone else?" he may even recognize it if you hold it up.

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ClickClickD'oh
June 27, 2009, 01:29 AM
Just hand your DL and CHL to the officer. They've seen the dynamic duo of plastic often enough to know what is up.

bigalexe
June 27, 2009, 01:48 AM
Why did the guy make the CHL known, was his carry weapon involved in an incident. It's my understanding that in general if you are doing something controversial (like carrying a gun or eating hot dogs at the monthly PETA meeting) then unless there's a reason you keep it quiet. I don't see a reason he needed to disclose his weapon at all.

I made a mistake and got a funny look this week. I have some medical equipment I travel with that's very valuable and was about to board an aircraft. Due to the plane being delayed heavily they started requiring everyone to check large luggage and my dad beside me (i never travel alone) had the bag with equipment in it. I didn't want that to get checked and for some reason in a crowd of people used the dumbest statement possible "make sure you tell them (the baggage checkers that are famous for losing your stuff) I have $XX Grand in that bag." Now no-one said anything but we got a few stares like "*** are you a drug dealer?" I probably should have said "Tell them we have critical sensitive medical equipment." However thats not what i did.

Basically if your in a situation where there's a crowd stay as low key as possible, keep your nose clean and think before you speak or act where other people can hear you. Holding up a concealed weapons permit and showing off your holstered pistol isn't the best way to be low key, just as saying you have $XX Grand in your luggage at an airport isn't either.

stevenhyde
June 27, 2009, 02:10 AM
i believe he mentioned something about needing to announce his gun to the cop.
i dont know for sure but i though i read somewhere about certain states requiring you to tell the officer about your chl pretty much whenever you speak to one.

not the case in my state. we dont need to say anything here unless its relevant to the situation. i probably would mention it to an officer anyway. just cause i dont want to not mention it to that one p.o.s. officer....who hassles me.

Five-O
June 27, 2009, 02:21 AM
My instructor at the CCW class said that when you're stopped by an officer, that you are to advice the officer that you have a concealed weapon and that you have a CCW. While you are saying this you are to keep your hands on the steering wheel. When the officer directs you to either step out or show your CCW permit, then do so. And of course concealed means exactly that. You cannot have it in plain view or in your glove box or anywhere within reach. No mention was made re: revealing that you have a CCW permit at any time except when involved in a traffic stop.

btw, I was reading online about the bus system in SLC (UTA) and in there it says "no weapons allowed on the bus." So I called the bus customer service office, inquiring if I could have a weapon on the bus with a CCW permit and the lady said, "you *can* carry on the bus. As long as it's concealed."

rrruuunnn
June 27, 2009, 03:45 AM
I've had the cops arrive at our business several times with my CHL. The cop will ask for my driver's license. When I hand the cops my CHL, they never talk about it in front of the employees or customers.

When I'm pulled over alone, they will ask where is the gun and what kind.

Zach S
June 27, 2009, 04:44 AM
Just hand your DL and CHL to the officer. They've seen the dynamic duo of plastic often enough to know what is up.
And unless they're anti-gun, most will handle it with discretion. In my area anyway.

usmarine0352_2005
June 27, 2009, 06:23 AM
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It depends on your state.


Some states require you to tell officers, some don't.



If you said, "Sir, just so you know, I have a CCW license and I have my pistol on me, or in my glove box" that's fine.


Personally, if you never said anything, I probably wouldn't care.


Now, if I was taking you out of your car, then I would want you to say, "Sir, just so you know, I am a CCW holder and I have my pistol on me."

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Deanimator
June 27, 2009, 08:51 AM
Just hand your DL and CHL to the officer. They've seen the dynamic duo of plastic often enough to know what is up.
Not kosher in Ohio. You MUST verbally inform "in a timely manner" (no definition of "timely"). Not doing so is a crime for which people have been prosecuted.

stevenhyde
June 27, 2009, 04:03 PM
"must verbally inform" see that sounds dumb to me. i mean yea its obvious you should alert the officer, but just saying it around strangers.....not really concealed anymore.

shhhhh.its supposed to be a secret.:banghead:

plus what if youre mute? you cant get your chl? rhetorical question.

as of now my state doesnt make you say anything so im not too worried.

D94R
June 27, 2009, 04:13 PM
btw, I was reading online about the bus system in SLC (UTA) and in there it says "no weapons allowed on the bus." So I called the bus customer service office, inquiring if I could have a weapon on the bus with a CCW permit and the lady said, "you *can* carry on the bus. As long as it's concealed."

I never use public transportation here, but, I'm pretty sure UTA is state funded and they technically can not tell you how to carry or deny your transportation because of that either.

Someone else from Utah might be able to confirm this for us.

Deanimator
June 27, 2009, 04:31 PM
I never use public transportation here, but, I'm pretty sure UTA is state funded and they technically can not tell you how to carry or deny your transportation because of that either.

Someone else from Utah might be able to confirm this for us.
If I remember correctly, Cleveland RTA buses are NOT posted, but RTA buildings ARE. That means that you could take an RTA bus. That would make all rapid trains off limits since they can ONLY be accessed from RTA buildings.

A few months ago, I had several hours to kill waiting for my muffler to be replaced in Cleveland. I walked as far as the Brook Park rapid station out of boredom, just to see if it was posted. If it wasn't, I was going to take the rapid downtown for lunch. In fact it was.

Carne Frio
June 27, 2009, 04:39 PM
State law in Alaska requires notifications upon first "official contact"
with leo. Easiest is to hand over DL and Concealed Carry Handgun
Permit. If you are carrying and do not have permit, you still need
to inform leo. Permits are not required here, but make travel to
states with reciprocity a better experience.

D94R
June 27, 2009, 05:02 PM
If I remember correctly, Cleveland RTA buses are NOT posted, but RTA buildings ARE. That means that you could take an RTA bus. That would make all rapid trains off limits since they can ONLY be accessed from RTA buildings.

A few months ago, I had several hours to kill waiting for my muffler to be replaced in Cleveland. I walked as far as the Brook Park rapid station out of boredom, just to see if it was posted. If it wasn't, I was going to take the rapid downtown for lunch. In fact it was.

We have preemption in Utah that covers anything state funded. The gist is, if it's state funded they must follow state law. If memory serves me right though, based on readings from Opencarry.com, UTA is still one of the state places trying to enforce their own rules.

onlymeself
June 27, 2009, 05:05 PM
In Wyoming you have to disclose. In that case you have outlined I would hand the LEO my drivers license and CHL. He is then going to ask whether I'm carrying at present time. Not sure how discreet they are going to be about it though. But if I were an LEO I would be discreet so as not to cause people to panic.

rl2669
June 27, 2009, 07:54 PM
In Wyoming you have to disclose.

Wyoming isn't listed as a "must inform" state here:

http://www.handgunlaw.us/states/wyoming.pdf

stickhauler
June 28, 2009, 04:58 AM
Timely manner I'd guess means as quickly as possible as it pertains to the situation. If the cop stops you, and comes to collect your drivers license and registration, that CCW better be in the pile of stuff you hand him or her right quick.

Shadow 7D
June 28, 2009, 07:10 AM
I was working gate security one time and got to talking to an old timer because he had something taped to the back of his license. He explained what must inform laws were and showed me how he used clear packaging tape to hinge his CCP to his divers license. He said that if the cops wanted to nitpick and say he didn't inform them, that they could never say that they didn't know if they stopped him.

SCKimberFan
June 28, 2009, 09:33 AM
? for officers about alerting you to my chl


i had a question about alerting an officer to your chl and weapon.

there was a thread in another forum about a man in mcdonalds who called the cops on another man for various reasons.

when the cop got there, the guy who called the cops(who also has the chl) told the cop(and everyone else in mcdonalds) that he has a chl and a gun.

would it have been possible to show your chl card to the officer and ask him not to mention it to anyone else besides the other officers since no one else knew? i dont need 15 people in mcds knowning a carry.

like as soon as he asks "who called the police" say "i did. can you look at this and not mention it to anyone else?" he may even recognize it if you hold it up.

This post makes no sense to me. What the hell does it matter if you have a concealed weapons permit when you call the police? What was the reason the po-po was called? Was the guy creating a disturbance?

There just isn't enough info to make a reasonable response to the OP. It would help to know what state the incident took place in. As has been said, some states require disclosure, some don't. Even if you must disclose, you should do so discreetly, not announce it to the world.

AirForceShooter
June 28, 2009, 10:10 AM
Who cares if everybody in McD's knows you carry?

I could care less.

AFS

onlymeself
June 28, 2009, 01:29 PM
Wyoming isn't listed as a "must inform" state here:

Our drivers license is flag on the computer that we are permit holders. So whenever our driver license is run it comes up. (personally I wish it was on our drivers license, since they are connected in the computer) I couldn't find the law on this, so maybe it isn't law. But where it's going to come up when the run us, it's probably best to be up front about it. Or maybe the law changed and I just haven't found it yet. Kind of like our new self defense law is not where you would expect to find it in the statutes.
All I know for certain is that I just finish my class for CHL and was told we had to disclose.

stevenhyde
June 28, 2009, 01:58 PM
This post makes no sense to me. What the hell does it matter if you have a concealed weapons permit when you call the police? What was the reason the po-po was called? Was the guy creating a disturbance?
ummmmmm. all i know is the guy said in his state anytime you have a convo with an officer you need to inform them, whether or not its relevant to the situation
There just isn't enough info to make a reasonable response to the OP. It would help to know what state the incident took place in. As has been said, some states require disclosure, some don't. Even if you must disclose, you should do so discreetly, not announce it to the world.

it doesnt matter what state its in. i was looking for peoples experiences in their own states. IF your state requires you to announce it.....how would you go about it.

oh, and airforceshooter. thanks for nothing, way to up your post count and not help. reminds me why i just browse forums and dont participate much

Deanimator
June 28, 2009, 04:36 PM
If the cop stops you, and comes to collect your drivers license and registration, that CCW better be in the pile of stuff you hand him or her right quick.
In fact, that is NOT required in Ohio. You must NOTIFY. You are only required to produce your CHL ON REQUEST. Once you notify, if the cop doesn't ask for it, you don't need to show it to him. Apparently, they frequently don't, mostly because your CHL is tied to your license plates.

Once you "promptly" (whatever that means) notify, you're done unless ASKED to display the license.

SCKimberFan
June 28, 2009, 05:25 PM
Our drivers license is flag on the computer that we are permit holders. So whenever our driver license is run it comes up. (personally I wish it was on our drivers license, since they are connected in the computer) I couldn't find the law on this, so maybe it isn't law.

This guy was in McD's not his car. Drivers license tie-in is immaterial to the post.

However:

All I know for certain is that I just finish my class for CHL and was told we had to disclose.

You are correct, all you know for certain is that you were told you had to disclose. You should look it up for yourself. Google: Your state's Concealed Carry Laws.

it doesnt matter what state its in.

It most certainly does. If you are not required to inform and it is not applicable to the situation, keep quiet about it.

IF your state requires you to announce it.....how would you go about it.

I think this answered that question:

Even if you must disclose, you should do so discreetly, not announce it to the world.

campbell
June 28, 2009, 05:29 PM
Even if you're not required, an officer will appreciate you giving a heads up. Surprises involving guns no es bueno.

And yes, concealed carry is fine on public transit in UT.

rl2669
June 28, 2009, 06:30 PM
Our drivers license is flag on the computer that we are permit holders. So whenever our driver license is run it comes up. (personally I wish it was on our drivers license, since they are connected in the computer)

I don't see the value in having your DL indicate your CCW status. I guess there is one upside - if a state did do it that way, there would be no need to issue a separate CCW card at all.

But, I see alot of disadvantages to this idea. It seems I have to show my DL to many non-LEO people - like every time I use my credit card in a store, check in to a hotel, check in for a flight, etc. I don't feel all those people need to know if I have a CCW...

onlymeself
June 28, 2009, 06:36 PM
This guy was in McD's not his car. Drivers license tie-in is immaterial to the post.

It's immaterial? I have had officers at my house, where I had to produce identifaction. Even though I was the one that called them to my house. Funny enough they won't accept my credit card as ID. They want something state issued. The only thing I have is my DL. Everyone gets run through the computer for wants and warrents. Whether you called or not. Whether you are the BG or victim.

SCKimberFan
June 28, 2009, 06:43 PM
It's immaterial? I have had officers at my house, where I had to produce identifaction. Even though I was the one that called them to my house. Funny enough they won't accept my credit card as ID. They want something state issued. The only thing I have is my DL. Everyone gets run through the computer for wants and warrents. Whether you called or not. Whether you are the BG or victim.

YES, it is immaterial to the post. He was not asked for ID, he volunteered it. Your story is anecdotal. It has no relevance whatsoever to the post.

onlymeself
June 28, 2009, 08:06 PM
The OP said in post #4

i believe he mentioned something about needing to announce his gun to the cop.
i dont know for sure but i though i read somewhere about certain states requiring you to tell the officer about your chl pretty much whenever you speak to one.

not the case in my state. we dont need to say anything here unless its relevant to the situation. i probably would mention it to an officer anyway. just cause i dont want to not mention it to that one p.o.s. officer....who hassles me.

This was what I was posting to just like post 5, 6, 8 and 9.
I'm truly sorry if you didn't get this. Didn't mean to offend you.

Five-O
June 29, 2009, 12:04 AM
I see on some replies that "CHL" is mentioned. What's the difference between CHL and CCW. I have a CCW issued in Utah. The second C stands for "carry" meaning on your person, NOT in the glove box as one poster said.
So does that mean that a CHL permit will allow you to have a loaded weapon in your glove box?
And speaking of glove boxes, when was the last time you saw a glove inside a glove box?:D

mljdeckard
June 29, 2009, 12:22 AM
The only difference is the terminology used by the state that issues the permit. Some states have different laws governing where exactly you can and cannot carry.

If you have a Utah permit, you actually have a CFP, concealed firearms permit.

http://publicsafety.utah.gov/bci/concealedfirearms.html

Five-O
June 29, 2009, 01:27 AM
If you have a Utah permit, you actually have a CFP, concealed firearms permit.

By golly you're right. I never noticed that. The term CCW was always used by the instructors.
Now that it says "concealed firearms weapon" I'm wondering if it means I can have a concealed weapon *not* on my person. Like in the glove box. Or my fishing box, or my RV, or my golf bag, or - - - ;)
I'll call Utah BCI tomorrow and report.
Thanks

campbell
June 29, 2009, 02:31 AM
Utah code does not limit "concealed" to your person.

http://www.le.utah.gov/UtahCode/getCodeSection?code=76-10-501

(2) (a) "Concealed dangerous weapon" means a dangerous weapon that is covered, hidden, or secreted in a manner that the public would not be aware of its presence and is readily accessible for immediate use.

Also, the law recently changed in Utah regarding vehicles. The vehicle is now basically an extension of your home. So if it's legal for you to own and possess the firearm, you can have that firearm loaded and concealed in your car or on your person while you're in the car.

Team Grandma
June 29, 2009, 02:40 AM
I need to move, Thanks to Chicago legistratures I dont even have to worry about disclosing anything :cuss: :banghead:

SCKimberFan
June 29, 2009, 09:28 AM
I'm truly sorry if you didn't get this. Didn't mean to offend you.

Don't get what? Is his CHP, CWP, CFP (whatever) not state issued ID? Where is the relevance of a drivers license to any of the posts?

Post #1:

i had a question about alerting an officer to your chl and weapon.

there was a thread in another forum about a man in mcdonalds who called the cops on another man for various reasons.

when the cop got there, the guy who called the cops(who also has the chl) told the cop(and everyone else in mcdonalds) that he has a chl and a gun.

would it have been possible to show your chl card to the officer and ask him not to mention it to anyone else besides the other officers since no one else knew? i dont need 15 people in mcds knowning a carry.

like as soon as he asks "who called the police" say "i did. can you look at this and not mention it to anyone else?" he may even recognize it if you hold it up.

Post #4:

i believe he mentioned something about needing to announce his gun to the cop.
i dont know for sure but i though i read somewhere about certain states requiring you to tell the officer about your chl pretty much whenever you speak to one.

not the case in my state. we dont need to say anything here unless its relevant to the situation. i probably would mention it to an officer anyway. just cause i dont want to not mention it to that one p.o.s. officer....who hassles me.

Where do you see any mention of a drivers license? Sorry for the plagarism but: I'm truly sorry if you didn't get this.

Oh, and btw, no offense taken.

Deanimator
June 29, 2009, 09:39 AM
It's immaterial? I have had officers at my house, where I had to produce identifaction. Even though I was the one that called them to my house. Funny enough they won't accept my credit card as ID. They want something state issued. The only thing I have is my DL. Everyone gets run through the computer for wants and warrents. Whether you called or not. Whether you are the BG or victim.
I don't know where you live, but in Ohio, I don't need to show ANY ID to police, except when driving, or carrying a concealed handgun. I don't even have to HAVE ID. I'm required to verbally ID myself and give my address.

That's it.

CoRoMo
June 29, 2009, 10:21 AM
If you are a permit holder, but are not carrying, you might expect the officer to ask you if you're armed, when you fail to bring up the issue. LEO in some counties/states will see that you are a permit holder when they run your DL info. If you didn't mention anything, they might very well bring it up, regardless of the state's 'duty to notify' stance.

One of my salesman, who's a permit holder but NEVER carries, got pulled over not long ago in his company vehicle. He didn't notify the LEO because he wasn't carrying, but the officer asked if he was carrying because the database showed that he had a permit.

Rockwell1
June 29, 2009, 10:44 AM
but the officer asked if he was carrying because the database showed that he had a permit.

Not in Colorado it didn't unless he got his permit in Jefferson or Arrapahoe counties

mljdeckard
June 29, 2009, 11:50 AM
Five-o, what state are you in? In Utah, you don't need a permit to keep a loaded gun in your vehicle. All of these laws vary from state to state, but Utah's laws only apply in Utah. In other states you need to find out their laws.

mljdeckard
June 29, 2009, 11:59 AM
Utah law recently changed, and you are no longer required to inform officers that you are carrying. This was done quietly, I had to verify it with the BCI.

No UTA has no say in telling people whether or not they can carry, but I would keep it concealed anyway. I don't need to get into an argument with a transit cop when I don't have a car.

onlymeself
June 29, 2009, 12:24 PM
SCKimberFan
I see that you just want to argue. That's fine. But I won't argue with you. I have done nothing wrong. Just like the OP told you when you wanted to agrue about his post.

it doesnt matter what state its in. i was looking for peoples experiences in their own states. IF your state requires you to announce it.....how would you go about it.

And that is exactly what I told him. How I would do it.

In that case you have outlined I would hand the LEO my drivers license and CHL.

And I wasn't the only one to mention giving the LEO their DL.

Just hand your DL and CHL to the officer. They've seen the dynamic duo of plastic often enough to know what is up.

I've had the cops arrive at our business several times with my CHL. The cop will ask for my driver's license.

State law in Alaska requires notifications upon first "official contact"
with leo. Easiest is to hand over DL and Concealed Carry Handgun
Permit.

If the cop stops you, and comes to collect your drivers license and registration,

He explained what must inform laws were and showed me how he used clear packaging tape to hinge his CCP to his divers license.

But whatever, you don't like my post feel free to ignore me. As I have no problem ignoring you for now on.

SCKimberFan
June 29, 2009, 12:37 PM
No argument is desired. I just want you to tell me where the OP mentioned anything about a Drivers License or being in a car. He did not. They were inside a McDonalds. That is all I am saying.

Once again I ask - relating to the OP:

Where do you see any mention of a drivers license?

Gamera
June 30, 2009, 12:57 AM
In SC...

a permit holder must inform a law enforcement officer of the fact that he is a permit holder and present the permit identification card when an officer (1) identifies himself as a law enforcement officer and (2) requests identification or a driver’s license from a permit holder.

Five-O
June 30, 2009, 06:06 PM
Also, the law recently changed in Utah regarding vehicles. The vehicle is now basically an extension of your home. So if it's legal for you to own and possess the firearm, you can have that firearm loaded and concealed in your car or on your person while you're in the car.

Campbell, you are correct. I just called and talked to an agent at the Utah BCI and they confirm that a person can carry a loaded weapon in a car, concealed or not, *but* cannot exit the car with said weapon, unless one has a CCW, or CFP, in which case it must be concealed. You can, however, exit with a loaded weapon when you arrive at your house if you do not have a CFP. I guess this also would apply when one arrives at a hunting destination.
Now, this is news to me. I got my Utah CFP in 06 and this was not mentioned by the instructors. I would assume this new law went into effect after 06. btw, I live in CA, but have a Utah residence. Still, one does not have to be a resident of Utah to obtain a CFP. You do, however, have to take the CFP course in Utah.

Five-O
June 30, 2009, 06:10 PM
Five-o, what state are you in? In Utah, you don't need a permit to keep a loaded gun in your vehicle. All of these laws vary from state to state, but Utah's laws only apply in Utah. In other states you need to find out their laws.

mlj, yes, I found out from you and Campbell.
btw, I keep forgetting to ask the people at BCI, how does one renew a Utah CFP? Do you or anyone in Utah know? Can I renew online, by mail, etc? Will I have to take another class?
Any help greatly appreciated.

D94R
June 30, 2009, 08:13 PM
Utah law recently changed, and you are no longer required to inform officers that you are carrying. This was done quietly, I had to verify it with the BCI.
Note however, this was NEVER law, it was a "requirement" by the BCI, who is not a lawmaking body. You never had to tell the LEO you were carrying. Though I'm sure out of generosity and the "do what we tell you" sentiment most people disclosed. I don't recall any cases where this was challenged in court so I'm not sure how much of a Gray Area it really was.

Last time around BCI conveniently left that part of their requirements out.

61chalk
June 30, 2009, 08:35 PM
In Indiana you are not required to volunteer to tell an officer that you have a "License to Carry Handgun"....they do ask that you tell the officer though, but its not the law.

SMMAssociates
July 1, 2009, 05:08 AM
I don't know where you live, but in Ohio, I don't need to show ANY ID to police, except when driving, or carrying a concealed handgun. I don't even have to HAVE ID. I'm required to verbally ID myself and give my address.

Deanimator:

You MUST have your CHL with you if you're carrying. Nasty fine otherwise if you can't produce it THEN. No help to produce it later in court.... Stupid....

You are not required to ID in OH if you're not carrying, and there's really no solid definition of "stop" to work with, but it's bad form to wave the thing in the Officer's face.... Generally, if an Officer approaches you, and isn't just asking for the time or directions, you must notify. If you approach him, same story.... The Officers may not know about the "don't need to notify" parts....

The one case of interest right now involves a guy in the Cleveland area who failed to notify until 51 Seconds into the stop! Jury trial is scheduled for next week....

Just happened to think.... I've been to CLE four or five times a year for the last dozen years or more, but haven't been to Brook Park Station since 1964.... When I was at Case, we used to take the Rapid out to Brook Park Station, and then catch a bus to the airport, just for fun. 'Course, it was a lot safer in those days....

Regards,

Deanimator
July 1, 2009, 11:57 AM
You MUST have your CHL with you if you're carrying. Nasty fine otherwise if you can't produce it THEN. No help to produce it later in court.... Stupid....
Oh, I know. I thought I'd made that clear. I know I've mentioned it here on numerous occasions.

I was referring to generic ID when NOT carrying, which is why I referred to driving and carrying a concealed handgun as exceptions. You must ALSO have another recognized form of ID when carrying a concealed firearm in ADDITION to your CHL. Some people apparently don't know that.

An actual definition of "timely" may come out of the "51 seconds" case. I consider it unreasonably vague as it stands.

I'm a letter of the law kind of guy. I'd notify where required, not where it isn't. If you stick to the letter of the law, you [MOSTLY] don't have to guess or interpret things. Obey the law and you don't need "breaks". Some people appear to need to feel like they're "getting away with something" all the time. I'm not one of those people.

SMMAssociates
July 1, 2009, 12:30 PM
Deanimator:

I wasn't aware of the "other form of ID" thing.... My DL and CHL live in the same little packet....

You're probably correct about "timely" coming out of that case, but the way it's stretching out, who knows....

I'm a letter-of-the-law guy, too, mostly.... We should get the breaks - not have to worry about "how long is 'timely'", for example, when a law is vague or depends on obscure definitions that aren't in the AG's booklet. But there are too many Criminal and Terrorist Friendly folks still helping to write this stuff.... (Ain't gonna get into that here :(.)

Regards,

Deanimator
July 1, 2009, 12:56 PM
You're probably correct about "timely" coming out of that case, but the way it's stretching out, who knows....
Sounds to me as though they thought the guy would just roll over like the guy with the Cz52 in the flap holster. They probably got all flustered when he didn't, and are now thrashing around looking for some sort of face saving solution which he seems totally disinclined to toss them.

I think they're going to be humiliated, and justifiably so.

It should be interesting to see whether he sues if that happens. As I recall, he's probably going to be entitled to reasonable legal fees in addition to any damages.

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