357 mag louder than 44 mag?


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r3volv3r
June 27, 2009, 02:23 PM
I recently encountered a guy who tried to sell me on this exact statement: that the 357 is louder and has more flash than a 44 mag. I found this hard to believe and it seems to defy common sense. Being a long time 357 fan i have very little experience with the 44 mag.

So to you guys who have and shoot both, which one is louder? any db figures? i can't seem to find any numbers for the 44 but my internet searching keeps finding people saying 357 is loudest handgun caliber :confused:


keep in mind this has nothing to do with stopping power or recoil. Just noise.

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rcmodel
June 27, 2009, 02:31 PM
Factory load .357 runs 35,000 PSI, and the .44 Mag runs 36,000 PSI.
The .44 Mag burns aproximately 7.0 to 8.0 gains more powder with standard (158 vis 240) bullet weights.

Guess which one is louder!

On the otherhand, there are a lot more snubnose .357's anymore then there used to be, and they very well might be louder then a 4" or 6" .44 Mag.

rc

Walkalong
June 27, 2009, 02:38 PM
.357 has more of a "crack" than .44.

.32-20 might be worse than that! It has an ear splitting crack!

rcmodel
June 27, 2009, 02:45 PM
+1

32-20 WCF & .30 Carbine Blackhawk is as bad as it gets in normal calibers for a sharp piercing crack!

Jury's still out on the .327 Federal, but I don't see how it could be any different then those two.

rc

BCRider
June 27, 2009, 03:09 PM
So much more enters in this. Already mentioned is the barrel length. Then there's the powder that the rounds use, bullet weight, and on and on. If he's comparing a .357 snubbie or 4 inch to a hunting style .44 that has an 8 or more inch barrel then it truly is like comparing apples to armadillos.... :D

IMtheNRA
June 27, 2009, 03:14 PM
In general, with average loads, and the same barrel length, the .44 is much more loud than the .357

Of course, I have made some hot .357 loads that are more loud than the mild .44 loads that I tried.

Oro
June 27, 2009, 03:32 PM
Every time a discussion comes up about a handgun cartridge and loudness, keep in mind the speed of sound in most shooting conditions: 1125 fps. Since lots of loadings hover at/around this level, it's a quantum change in perceived "loudness" for those that go over it vs. those just under it. A mild .44 with a heavy projectile will often be just under it, whereas even a moderate .357 with a mid-range bullet will be well over it.

But apples to apples, like rcmodel said in his first post, it's a no-brainer which is louder on average!

sheephearder
June 27, 2009, 05:19 PM
The 357 seams (to me) to have more of a crack to it than the 44, the 44 may be loader but the 357 hurts my ears more. A lot of my hearing was lost do to shooting 357s when I was young and Dumb (dumber) with out hearing protection.

SGW42
June 27, 2009, 05:25 PM
.22 Mag out of my 9.5" Single Six at an indoor range seems to have as much of a "crack" to it as .38 out of a snub. To me anyways.

.357 SIG on an indoor range might be the loudest I've heard personally.

Hard for me to tell at the outdoor range.

The Lone Haranguer
June 27, 2009, 05:45 PM
.357 has more of a "crack" than .44.
Agreed. The higher pitch gives it the impression of being louder, but trust me, both are plenty loud. ;)

atlanticfire
June 27, 2009, 06:02 PM
I have a 2+" .357 and a 8+" .44 and can say that they are about equal. Just as like my 4" .44 is close to my 10" .500. All relative, loads, bullet, indoor & outdoor. . . . .

hardluk1
June 27, 2009, 06:05 PM
A 44mag does have quite a BOOM but the 357 will get all on the range look'n around . It does have a crack that can kill your hearing .

bakert
June 27, 2009, 07:43 PM
sheephearder wrote[QUOTE]The 357 seams (to me) to have more of a crack to it than the 44, the 44 may be loader but the 357 hurts my ears more. A lot of my hearing was lost do to shooting 357s when I was young and Dumb (dumber) with out hearing protection.[QUOTE]

I have a good friend who hunts with both quite a bit and he claims the sharper crack of the .357 bothers him more than the .44.

MovedWest
June 27, 2009, 08:21 PM
The higher pitch of the 357 bothers my hearing more than the deep, thunderous boom of the 44. I think others hit the nail on the head noting the high pitched "crack" of the 357.

My dad would always double up with plugs and muffs when firing the 357 or 22mag, but would often shoot his 44mag without hearing protection when firing outside. At 74 is hearing is still excellent.

-MW

AKElroy
June 27, 2009, 08:29 PM
This and similar threads are always interesting to me, because we do have common experiences that create these impressions. Which is more snappy, a .40 or .45? Many say .40, no doubt due to more light-weight, plastic guns made in .40. As for .357 being louder, absolutely---When fired from snubbies, which it is much more likely to be fired from vs. the .44. Barrel lengths being equal, the .44 is clearly more ear-abusive, although either will earn you a hearing aid.

Svery
June 27, 2009, 09:13 PM
The sound quality is different which leads to difference perception - hands down the report from a 44 carries more energy of course. The 357 frequency sound spectrum (Fourier transform) will contain a greater contribution from the higher frequency components that the 44 mag I expect.

KevininPa
June 27, 2009, 11:43 PM
Though not very scientific. My buddy's 4 5/8" Blackhawk is louder than my 4" Smith 686. Though as stated by others, more "crack" to the .357, more "boom" to the .44 mag. Just comparing normal loads. But his hot-loaded hunting rounds are way louder in many ways over my normals. He slipped two of these in a cylinder one time to see my reaction.:eek: I don't do hotter loads. Never felt the need. Guess I'm turning into more of a wuss as I get older!;)

Svery
June 27, 2009, 11:49 PM
Yeah, a boom is typically comprised moreso of low frequency oscillations and sudden or 'crack' sounds have more high frequency components.

Re Recoil: Because its fun. For me anyway. I don't/can't hunt so that aspect is not a factor.

m2steven
June 28, 2009, 01:16 AM
I believe you guys have nailed it. On the range, the 44 has a sonic-boom type explosion. They 357's have a horrendous crack type sound. My .327 magnum has a very similar crack sound to the 357, but I don't think it's as loud. It's really loud though. But for sheer discomfort - the 357 seems to be the most irritating revolver to my ears.

bigione
June 28, 2009, 01:32 AM
Just for info. The old cannon crews would keep their mouths open upon firing. this allowed the pressure inside the ear to more equally balance with the outside pressure. It does reduce the pain from a loud crack.

gunnie
June 28, 2009, 01:57 AM
methinx the crack and boom theory is directly related to bore diameter. the smaller bores creating a higher frequency sound. no doctor here, just my guess.

gunnie

bluetopper
June 28, 2009, 02:07 AM
I do find also the crack of the 357 a lot more ear splitting and irritating. The thunderous boom of the the 44 Mag gets my testosterone flowing.:)

snooperman
June 28, 2009, 09:53 AM
It is all relative to powder charge , bullet mass , length of barrel, air temperature and pressure. Only a decibel measuring instrument can settle the matter properly because there are too many variables in the equation to predict which is louder. At times, depending on the said variables, the .357 magnum may be louder, and conversely, the 44 magnum could be louder. My 2 cents as a retired Physics teacher. Snooperman

jglcolosprgs
June 28, 2009, 10:03 AM
sheephearder

The 357 seams (to me) to have more of a crack to it than the 44, the 44 may be loader but the 357 hurts my ears more. A lot of my hearing was lost do to shooting 357s when I was young and Dumb (dumber) with out hearing protection.

Stupid is as stupid does.... I'm in the same boat as sheephearder. I think the 357 has a sharper crack (certainly more painful) than my 44. I screwed up my hearing badly with 357's when I was a kid and now I can't hear my children sing at school.

:banghead:

LTR shooter
June 28, 2009, 10:13 AM
Factory load .357 runs 35,000 PSI, and the .44 Mag runs 36,000 PSI.
The .44 Mag burns aproximately 7.0 to 8.0 gains more powder with standard (158 vis 240) bullet weights.

Guess which one is louder!

To begin , anyone that does not use hearing protection when shooting either must not give a hoot about their hearing or they are already deaf to begin with. I use plugs and muffs when shooting either one.

Comparing my own magnum loads with the 158 in 357 and 240 in 44 my data agrees with the quote above. Using 16 to 17 grains of something like 296 for the 158 vs 24-25 grains with the 240 44.

When shooting my 6" 357 vs my 6 1/2" 44 at the same range session with the above loads the 44 is louder to me. Also the blast , concussion or shockwave - is far more noticeable when I shoot the top 44 mag 240 grain loads vs the top 357 158 grain loads.

Shooting the same weight bullet in each revolver - the 180 grain JHP - using top loads of 296/H110 there is absolutely no doubt that the 44 mag is noticeably louder.

When comparing something like a 125 grain 357 out of a snub vs a 300 grain 44 out of a long barrel I can see how a 357 can be louder.

kmrcstintn
June 29, 2009, 04:20 PM
HUH?!? WHAT?!? WERE YOU TALKING TO ME?!? YOU"LL HAVE TO SPEAK UP!!! MY EARS ARE RINGING!!!

no joke...my friend stood too close to me one day when I was firing a 125gr Remington .357 mag jsp out of my Ruger GP100

a few months later he 'unintentionally' fired off his .44 mag near me...:evil: I think I was saying about the same thing while my ears were ringing

in my honest opinion...all recreational shooting needs to be done with participants and spectators wearing hearing protection...even the diminuative .22 gets pretty darned loud when shooting ondoors or under cover

RB98SS
June 29, 2009, 10:17 PM
I shoot some stout loads through my M29 with a 6" barrel, but I think when I shoot 125gn jacketed out of my 4" GP100 loaded with H110, it is indeed louder that the Smith .44.

tasco 74
July 1, 2009, 11:36 PM
i was never around any guns until i bought my first s&w a mod 13-2 4"...... i took it to the range and shot a round and it felt like someone slapped me in the ears!! i shot the rest of that cylider full then quit until i got some ear plugs....... i haven't shot without ear plugs or muffs ever since....... i do think the .357 mag has a sharper report than the .44 magnum.... what is a real eye opener is when you go to an ihmsa shoot and spot for some of guys that shoot stuff that the muzzle blast moves your hair when sitting behind them behind a spotting scope!!

CAN YOU HEAR ME? CAN YOU HEAR RUNNING?? CAN YOU HEAR ME CALLING YOU????????????????..................................................................

gunnie
July 2, 2009, 12:38 PM
..."i do think the .357 mag has a sharper report than the .44 magnum"...

as in posting #21, i don't think the actuall Db rating is the culprit here. it is the frequency of the sound's note, or pitch the chambering/bore diameter makes.

in way of explaination:

high frequency six string electric guitar feed back ~VS~ electric bass guitar. typically, the bass amplifier runs 2X the wattage of the six string. which seems more painfull to the person at stage front?

drum major whistle ~VS~ a low frequency note from a trumpet.

12ga ~VS~ .410 shotgun. a 12ga 3 1/2" has a SAAMI pressure rating of 14,000 PSI. the .410 has a rating of 13,500. very little difference here. if you know someone foolish enough to listen to both without hearing protection, ask them which one SEEMS/IS PERCIEVED to hurt their ears more.

as far as actual hearing damage differences between high/low freq excessive Db/sound pressure levels, ask an audiologist. as in #21 posting, i'm no doctor.

gunnie

cottonmouth
July 2, 2009, 01:03 PM
A Ruger Blackhawk in .357 taught me about hearing protection!

J.B.

RugRev
July 2, 2009, 01:10 PM
A thought, don't know if it is true. Two sound waves could have the same amplitude but a different shape over the time dimension. Perhaps the .357 has a steeper slope or some such. This could be related to how pressure builds in the different cartridges e.g gradually vs. rapid and how long of time dwell there is on the pressure.

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