TX, NM, CO - knife carry


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chorlton
June 27, 2009, 08:45 PM
I have a great little Kershaw folder, with a blade less than 3", which is great for carrying around. As far as I can tell, I'm fine in TX, but I wanted to see if anyone can tell me if I'm going to be okay while in NM and CO. I got the impression that it dosnt count as a concealed weapon because of its small size, but I've slept a few times since I read some knife law!
Also, I checked a while ago to be sure I understood I'm entitled to carry a loaded concealed weapon inside my vehicle while traveling in all three states. Has anything happened which would affect this?
I appreciate any help with this. I should really be more knowledgeable...

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CleverNickname
June 28, 2009, 10:42 PM
Try looking here. (http://knife-expert.com/sta-law.htm) I'd look up the actual state code to verify, if you're that worried.

biblefreak
June 28, 2009, 11:02 PM
In Texas you can carry a knife 5 1/2" or smaller, no daggers, switchblades, stilettos or balisongs. San Antonio has a wierd ordinance where certain knives are illegal to have on your person. Anybody can have a loaded firearm in their vehicle, traveling or not, so long as it is concealed, you are legally allowed to own a firearm (not a felon, domestic abuse, etc.), you are not committing a crime greater than a class c misdemeanor (traffic violations etc.) And you are not a member of a criminal street gang.

I don't know a lot about NM, IIRC you can have a loaded firearm in your vehicle because NM considers your vehicle an extension of your home. They do have open carry in NM but I don't know if it would be wise to practice, plus there are quite a few places you can't go.

hirundo82
June 28, 2009, 11:20 PM
San Antonio has a wierd ordinance where certain knives are illegal to have on your person.

The San Antonio ordinance prohibiting lockblades is supposedly only enforced against the "wrong type" of people. As long as you aren't the type to attract negative police attention, you shouldn't have a problem.

AFAIK, you are OK in all three of those states in carrying a loaded firearm in your vehicle without a permit. It must be concealed in TX, and I think you are not allowed to carry in your vehicle when in Denver unless you have a permit honored by Colorado.

Handgunlaw.us is the usual plact to refer people for state-by-state carry laws, and OpenCarry.org (http://opencarry.org/travel.html) has a map for car carry.

Mags
June 28, 2009, 11:30 PM
No problems here in NM about carrying knives without a permit.

biblefreak
June 29, 2009, 12:02 AM
No problems here in NM about carrying knives without a permit.
Are there any restrictions as to size/type?

Bailey Guns
June 29, 2009, 12:32 AM
In Colorado a knife is defined as having a blade over 3.5" in length. It can't technically be considered a concealed weapon if the blade is shorter than that.

3 separate Colorado statutes allow carry of a "weapon" in a vehicle without a permit for protection of persons or property.

And a fourth statute allows carry of a handgun in a vehicle without a permit in all areas of the state, even in Denver. Denver lost that battle in the courts after our current concealed carry law was passed in 2003.

chorlton
June 29, 2009, 03:14 PM
Thnak for clearing that up, everyone :)

Zoogster
June 29, 2009, 07:28 PM
The San Antonio ordinance prohibiting lockblades is supposedly only enforced against the "wrong type" of people. As long as you aren't the type to attract negative police attention, you shouldn't have a problem.

That is ususaly the case in most third world nations, or authoritarian places. Discretionary laws with discretionary enforcement. Even laws where it is known and expected that 90% of the population will break it on a regular basis, only enforced when the police or someone in government has a problem with the person. They have laws against things culturaly acceptable, expected and even done openly by the majority in society. Things which would be changed if generaly enforced, but because the only enforce it discretionarily it remains a tool to target a minority discretionarily without the same outcry.
In fact that is ususaly the status quo of restrictive unfree places. Mexico and many places of South America for example often have numerous unenforced laws that it is normal for the majority of the population to break without anyone caring. Yet the police gain the ability to discretionarily arrest most people and charge them with such laws if they don't like how they look, answer a question, or they speak about the wrong topics. So the people are unfree as a result because most have something that can be used against them even just living the culturaly acceptable and expected lifestyle.

So it is never a good idea to support or even be casual about discretionary enforcement of ridiculous or unjust legislation. That is a primary tool of unfree nations. Don't tolerate it in the US.

Answering the OP. Knife laws vary much more than firearm laws within states and around the nation. Even knowing state laws often is just part of the picture. Various counties or cities have various ordinances against different weapons with different definitions of what constitutes a weapon or violation. Or what locations they are prohibited. For example one town may ban knives of certain features in general, while another may ban knives with different features in certain parks, playgrounds or other county locations while they are legal elsewhere. The locations and the prohibited features can vary tremendously from jurisdiction to jurisdiction.
The firearm community often fights to create gun laws that are more consistant statewide encouraging preemption and other things. That is often lacking for knives and other weapons. As a result you can have different ordinances in every city, and different ordinances in every county. Sometimes those ordinances trigger a state law against illegal items (which are not illegal at the state level, but when triggered by a local ordinance are an offense that can be punished under state law) which can be punished as a more serious offense.

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