It's official: concealed carry works.


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June 28, 2009, 09:18 AM
http://www.limaohio.com/articles/carry-38789-concealed-law.html

LIMA - When two men knocked on Charesa Smith's door at 5 a.m. wanting to use her phone last winter, she feared the worst.

She knew about a rash of home invasion robberies happening around the county.

Smith and her husband never let them inside, where they have three young children. They called the Sheriff's Office, and the men left.

"It broke the safe barrier I had around myself and my house. I felt as if I was violated. They never did anything, but it felt like it could have gotten nasty," she said.

That incident was enough to spur Smith and her husband to obtain their concealed carry licenses. She now feels safer, she says, especially since she spends a lot of time out alone with her children, who range in age from 10 months to 7 years old, running to the store and appointments.

"It was a safety issue," she said. "I don't think the world is as safe of a place as it used to be, and I wanted something to protect my children."

More people packing

More and more Ohioans are carrying concealed weapons, with an enormous increase this year alone. Most officials attribute that increase to the fear that Barack Obama's administration in the White House will take away guns, coupled with the struggling economy and an increase in crime.

Through March, Ohio reported 159,000 residents with concealed carry licenses, which represents about 1 percent of the population. Of that number, 16,323 were new licenses issued in the first three months of the year, a number that continues to climb at a high rate.

The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives estimates 25 percent of the U.S. population owns a gun of some type, and half the households in the country have at least one gun inside.

Many local counties report doubling or tripling the number of applicants for the first six months of the year compared to all of 2008. In Auglaize County, 92 licenses were issued last year, compared to 295 so far this year. Allen County issued 323 licenses last year, compared to 449 so far this year.

Insight Firearms Training Development instructor Steve Farmer, of Lima, said there's been an explosion in the number of people taking his class. In previous years, he averaged 15 in his monthly class. During the first five months of the year, he's had classes as big as 40 people and had to hold two each month to keep up with demand.

Bob Davis, a 64-year-old owner of a small business in Lima, said his job takes him to all areas of town, including those with high crime rates, where he does not feel safe.

"I just can't tell someone we can't do your work because you live in a high-crime area," he said.

Patrick Kennedy, a former police officer who now works as a psychiatric attendant for the state prison system, said he feels safer carrying a gun. That's especially true since he deals with criminals every day, some of whom threaten to hurt him should they be released.

"I just want to have a choice to carry it to protect myself and my family," he said.

Best citizens

Farmer said he sees people in class from all walks of life, from doctors and lawyers to factory workers, teachers and preachers.

Farmer, a former police chief who is also a police firearms trainer, said people with concealed carry licenses are among the most law-abiding. He said he rarely came across people with their concealed carry licenses during traffic stops, saying it's because they follow the law to begin with.

Allen County Sheriff Crish said people with their concealed carry licenses typically are the most law-abiding citizens. Otherwise, they would not have been issued a license.

"We're not worried about those individuals," he said.

Benefits of CCW

U.S. Rep. Jim Jordan, R-Urbana, fought to bring concealed carry to Ohio as a state legislator more than five years ago. He said the law levels the playing field and gives good people the chance to protect themselves, deterring crime.

No law is going to stop a bad guy from carrying a gun, but without a law they had more targets to go after with less worry, Jordan said.

"Now they have to stop and think," he said.

Carrying a gun makes Davis feel as if he has a chance, especially when he hears about robberies where someone shoots the victim for no reason, he said.

"I just don't want to be in that position," he said.

Davis also tries to avoid being in a bad situation. He said he would much rather take preventative measures than to risk harm or be put in a position to use his weapon. He's never had to pull out his gun since he began carrying last year.

"I hope I never have to pull it for any reason, and I wouldn't look forward to shooting anyone," he said.

Another aspect of obtaining a license Smith said doesn't catch the headlines comes through the training. She wanted to have a gun before taking her concealed carry class under Farmer but was reluctant to get a gun without knowing how to safely store and handle it with three children at home.

Farmer worked closely with her to explain options such as gun storage safes and ways to teach children guns are dangerous, she said.

The police view

When the concealed carry concept was first proposed, those against it said it would lead to shootouts or a return to the days of the Wild West.

That has not happened. Police and sheriffs in the region have not recorded a single case.

"Experience has proven it has not created any problems," Lima Police Department Maj. Kevin Martin said.

Auglaize County Sheriff Al Solomon said he remembers the few who were opposed saying there also would be vigilantism.

"That hasn't been the issue," he said.

Solomon, who supports the law, said he hasn't even had a case of a concealed carry license holder legally shooting someone in self-defense.

Van Wert County Sheriff Stan Owens supports the law, saying there is proof it deters crime. He said carjackings across the country have declined since concealed carry laws hit the books.

"It adds a deterrent. The criminal may be faced with lethal force should he try to rob or harm someone," Owens said.

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SaxonPig
June 28, 2009, 11:09 AM
It's always the same story. Dire predictions of blood in the streets, gun fights over parking spaces, and accidental shootings galore by morons, idiots and Obamacrats (sorry for the redundancy) which NEVER come true. Average people being armed causing no harm to society and criminals being deterred by victims able to protect themselves or better yet, shot to death for their violent, criminal acts.

danprkr
June 28, 2009, 01:19 PM
It's official: concealed carry works.

I didn't know anyone with a brain needed convincing.

jakemccoy
June 28, 2009, 01:40 PM
"The Police View" should be at the beginning and highlighted. In fact, that section could be its own article. That section neutralizes some popular anti-gun arguments.

The police view

When the concealed carry concept was first proposed, those against it said it would lead to shootouts or a return to the days of the Wild West.

That has not happened. Police and sheriffs in the region have not recorded a single case.

"Experience has proven it has not created any problems," Lima Police Department Maj. Kevin Martin said.

Auglaize County Sheriff Al Solomon said he remembers the few who were opposed saying there also would be vigilantism.

"That hasn't been the issue," he said.

Solomon, who supports the law, said he hasn't even had a case of a concealed carry license holder legally shooting someone in self-defense.

Van Wert County Sheriff Stan Owens supports the law, saying there is proof it deters crime. He said carjackings across the country have declined since concealed carry laws hit the books.

"It adds a deterrent. The criminal may be faced with lethal force should he try to rob or harm someone," Owens said.

jakemccoy
June 28, 2009, 01:48 PM
This is the type of talk that I fear more than any blatant anti-gun person:

Future of CCW

...

Hardin County Sheriff Keith Everhart said the only change he would propose in the law is to have the person qualify with the gun he or she carries, which is a requirement for police in Ohio.

Mercer County Sheriff Jeff Grey, a supporter of concealed carry, said if he could change anything in the law, he allow a sheriff more room to deny someone who may not have landed in jail but has problems.

"That's the downside, it's a shall-issue law. I don't have the ability to deny someone who I think should be denied," he said.

...



Basically, the Sheriff wants to be the decider on who gets a CCW permit. He wants his state to go from "shall issue" to "may issue". That's a backward move because the trend is for states to go from "may issue" to "shall issue".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Rtc.gif

California is may issue. It sucks.

rondog
June 28, 2009, 02:56 PM
Quote:
It's official: concealed carry works.

I didn't know anyone with a brain needed convincing.


True. It's the ones WITHOUT brains we gotta work on.

Vern Humphrey
June 28, 2009, 04:17 PM
It's always the same story. Dire predictions of blood in the streets, gun fights over parking spaces, and accidental shootings galore by morons, idiots and Obamacrats (sorry for the redundancy) which NEVER come true.
And the media will report any attempts to introduce shall-issue laws like this, predicting what might happen, rather than what has happened in the almost 40 states that have either shall-issue or no requirment for a permit.

rondog
June 28, 2009, 04:25 PM
Why can't the damn media just be normal, and report NEWS? Instead of always trying to sensationalize everything as much as possible? Like the guy that was arrested the other day with an "ARSENAL", including three handguns, a shotgun, and <GASP> 200 rounds of ammo?

Vern Humphrey
June 28, 2009, 04:31 PM
Why can't the damn media just be normal, and report NEWS? Instead of always trying to sensationalize everything as much as possible? Like the guy that was arrested the other day with an "ARSENAL", including three handguns, a shotgun, and <GASP> 200 rounds of ammo?
The damn media doesn't exist to report news. The damn media exists to push ultra-liberal causes, and they will spin and twist the news any way they can to accomplish that.

Rawb77
June 28, 2009, 04:58 PM
I think the phrase; "you're preaching to the choir" properly fits here.

Vern Humphrey
June 28, 2009, 05:07 PM
Well, there may be a couple of people sitting in the back pews who haven't heard this sermon yet.

And this is an excellent example of how to study the media -- we know and can prove that enacting "shall-issue" will not cause all the predicted calamities. But the media will go ahead and predict them, anyway.

And by that, we can judge how they "report" the rest of the news, the things we don't know so much about.

happygeek
June 28, 2009, 05:27 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Rtc.gif

Now that I've gotten married and moved into a townhouse off post, I'm really starting to like my adopted state [WA]. Really my only issue is that maybe their requirements for a CCP are too lax, hence not many states recognize a WA state CCP. I've got to see about getting a more stringent CCP locally that will be recognized by most states, for travel purposes and for when I eventually PCS. If anybody has any info on such a permit, I'd vastly appreciate it.

danprkr
June 28, 2009, 05:27 PM
200 rounds of ammo?

You LIE sir, there aren't 200 rounds of ammo in the entire state of TX! I cannot believe one person could amass that much wealth at one time. :neener:

bigfatdave
June 28, 2009, 06:10 PM
The damn media doesn't exist to report news. The damn media exists to push ultra-liberal causes, and they will spin and twist the news any way they can to accomplish that.The damn media exists to sell commercial time and ad space.
Don't fool yourself into thinking there is anything but lazy (cheap) journalism going on out there. Hanlon's razor (sometimes attributed to RA Heinlein) applies here:
Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.The fact is, it is cheap and easy to do a half-assed job of sensationalizing the news, and actual journalism is about dead.

Birdmang
June 28, 2009, 06:20 PM
This seems like an easy answer but I am not sure, does unrestricted mean you can just carry a gun whenever and in any way...doesn't make sense?

What does "unrestricted" on the wikipedia map of concealed carry mean?

(Vermont is the only state that is unrestricted)

Vern Humphrey
June 28, 2009, 06:27 PM
The damn media exists to sell commercial time and ad space.
Don't fool yourself into thinking there is anything but lazy (cheap) journalism going on out there. Hanlon's razor (sometimes attributed to RA Heinlein) applies here:

Quote:
Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.
But what cannot be explained by stupidity is the consistent bias. If it were mere studpidity, you'd see stories slanted or mis-reported both ways -- and you don't.

Remember also that ignorance of the subject is one symptom of bigotry -- "I don't need to do any study or research. I already know guns (or Catholics, Republicans, etc.) are bad."

The fact is, it is cheap and easy to do a half-assed job of sensationalizing the news, and actual journalism is about dead.
Journalism is about dead. Political activism among so-called journalists is alive and well.

SCKimberFan
June 28, 2009, 09:21 PM
When the concealed carry concept was first proposed, those against it said it would lead to shootouts or a return to the days of the Wild West.

This is the hyperbole used by the antis any time that another state wants to pass CC laws. It is the same tired line used by the politicians that always oppose the idea of the people having the ability to defend themselves. Sooner or later, we will get the messgae through to the masses.

jakemccoy
June 29, 2009, 12:01 AM
Now that I've gotten married and moved into a townhouse off post, I'm really starting to like my adopted state [WA]. Really my only issue is that maybe their requirements for a CCP are too lax, hence not many states recognize a WA state CCP. I've got to see about getting a more stringent CCP locally that will be recognized by most states, for travel purposes and for when I eventually PCS. If anybody has any info on such a permit, I'd vastly appreciate it.

Be careful what you wish for...

MacTech
June 29, 2009, 12:25 AM
This seems like an easy answer but I am not sure, does unrestricted mean you can just carry a gun whenever and in any way...doesn't make sense?

What does "unrestricted" on the wikipedia map of concealed carry mean?

(Vermont is the only state that is unrestricted)

Vermont does not have a CCW licence requirement, citizens of Vermont can carry concealed, no licence required/needed (with the obvious exceptions of no-carry in government buildings and schools)

Vermont also has one of the lowest crime rates in the nation, partially due to it's sparse population, partly due to it's eminently sensible "no CCW licence needed" laws

happygeek
June 29, 2009, 01:17 AM
Be careful what you wish for...

I'm not wishing it was harder to get a CCP in WA, far from it. It's just too bad that more states don't recognize it.

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