Parole denied because he's a "threat to burglars"


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Invisible Swordsman
January 18, 2003, 11:43 AM
I found this over at National Review On-line. British farmer Tony Martin was denied parole because he was considered a "threat to burglars" and feels that "things were better forty years ago".

From the Spectator 1/17/03:

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Martin is refused parole as 'danger to burglars'
By David Sapsted
(Filed: 17/01/2003)


Tony Martin, the farmer jailed for shooting dead a teenage burglar, had his application for parole rejected yesterday.

The three members of the Parole Board, who met in London to review his case, gave no reason for turning him down.

A friend of Martin's claimed that it was because a probation report branded the 58-year-old "a danger to burglars".

Others suggested that a primary reason was Martin's refusal to express remorse for shooting 16-year-old Fred Barras when he and another burglar raided his remote Norfolk house at night in August, 1999.

Martin, who will automatically qualify for release on licence in July after serving two-thirds of his five-year sentence for manslaughter, was said to have been resigned to the decision.

Malcom Starr, a friend and leading supporter who visited Martin in Highpoint Prison, Suffolk, called the decision "an absolute disgrace".

He said: "These people on the Parole Board are completely out of touch with public opinion. "All right-thinking people agree that Mr Martin should be released immediately."

Mr Starr, a Cambridgeshire businessman, said Martin told him a Probation Service report to the board criticised the farmer for "not being up to speed with the 21st century and of thinking things were better 40 years ago".

Mr Starr added: "A lot of prisoners lie and say they are sorry about something when they are not. He was not prepared to lie. It is not a question of 'does he feel sorry'. He feels he should never have been intruded on and he acted in self defence."

Richard Portham, another friend, said: "He told me that the Norfolk probation service was recommending that he should not get parole because they considered him a danger to burglars.

"I suppose the attitude came across in this report that he would do it again."

The shotgun Martin used on Barras, from Newark, Nottinghamshire, was illegally held. He had lost his licence after an incident when he fired on a car trespassing on his farm.

Link: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2003/01/17/nmart17.xml&sSheet=/portal/2003/01/17/ixportal.html
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You just can't make this stuff up.
(edited to add link)

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Arkie_Shooter
January 18, 2003, 11:46 AM
They should let him out so he can shoot more bad guys.

4v50 Gary
January 18, 2003, 11:58 AM
The old British practice of deporting criminals should be revisited with this guy. Twoblink can sure use him as a neighbor. So can many others in America.

Airwolf
January 18, 2003, 12:27 PM
Clearly, the lunatics are running the asylum (and the country).

I second 4v50 Gary sentiments. I’d be happy to have this gentleman in my neighborhood.

… "not being up to speed with the 21st century and of thinking things were better 40 years ago".

Guess what? Things WERE better 40 years ago when citizens defending their property and lives were to be praised and scum sucking criminals were reviled and punished. :cuss:

The UK is swirling around the bowl… just waiting to see what eventually pulls the handle. :scrutiny:

JPM70535
January 18, 2003, 12:40 PM
It's no wonder the UK can't engender any respect. When the Owner of property can't defend same, it speaks volumes. The sad thing is there are certain locales in the US where the outlook is the same.



THOSE FOUND HERE AT NIGHT WILL BE FOUND HERE IN THE MORNING1!!

KMKeller
January 18, 2003, 12:58 PM
The old British practice of deporting criminals should be revisited with this guy. Twoblink can sure use him as a neighbor. So can many others in America.I've got a spare bedroom the old codger can have...

alan
January 18, 2003, 05:20 PM
Martin is refused parole as 'danger to burglars'
By David Sapsted
(Filed: 17/01/2003)


Tony Martin, the farmer jailed for shooting dead a teenage burglar, had his application for parole rejected yesterday.

The three members of the Parole Board, who met in London to review his case, gave no reason for turning him down.

A friend of Martin's claimed that it was because a probation report branded the 58-year-old "a danger to burglars".

Others suggested that a primary reason was Martin's refusal to express remorse for shooting 16-year-old Fred Barras when he and another burglar raided his remote Norfolk house at night in August, 1999.

Martin, who will automatically qualify for release on licence in July after serving two-thirds of his five-year sentence for manslaughter, was said to have been resigned to the decision.

Malcom Starr, a friend and leading supporter who visited Martin in Highpoint Prison, Suffolk, called the decision "an absolute disgrace".

He said: "These people on the Parole Board are completely out of touch with public opinion. "All right-thinking people agree that Mr Martin should be released immediately."

Mr Starr, a Cambridgeshire businessman, said Martin told him a Probation Service report to the board criticised the farmer for "not being up to speed with the 21st century and of thinking things were better 40 years ago".

Mr Starr added: "A lot of prisoners lie and say they are sorry about something when they are not. He was not prepared to lie. It is not a question of 'does he feel sorry'. He feels he should never have been intruded on and he acted in self defence."

Richard Portham, another friend, said: "He told me that the Norfolk probation service was recommending that he should not get parole because they considered him a danger to burglars.

"I suppose the attitude came across in this report that he would do it again."

The shotgun Martin used on Barras, from Newark, Nottinghamshire, was illegally held. He had lost his licence after an incident when he fired on a car trespassing on his farm.

2 January 2003: Tony Martin gets 7,500 cards in jail
21 September 2002: Tony Martin to head for Spain after release
31 October 2001: Martin is cleared on murder count
18 October 2001: Martin 'unable to face up to boy's killing'

External links

Tony Martin - Eastern Daily Press

Free Tony Martin

'Have a go' farmer is no hero [29 Apr '00] - Socialist Worker













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m.i.sanders
January 18, 2003, 05:29 PM
I'm glad somone in that country is a danger to burglers! :fire: If more of them were like Mr. Martin, maybe they wouldn't be seeing an increase in crime.

Intresting to note that they have a paper called "Socialist Worker" that was qouted. Seems to point out the direction they're heading doesn't it.

BerettaNut92
January 18, 2003, 05:38 PM
The old British practice of deporting criminals should be revisited with this guy.

I don't know, look what's happening in Australia.

alan
January 18, 2003, 06:08 PM
m.i. sanders:

It has long since ceased to be a question of where they are heading, for they have long since arrived there.

Standing Wolf
January 18, 2003, 06:17 PM
Rarely does a day pass when I fail to feel grateful to our forefathers for having rebelled against the English and founded a republic.

Frankly, I think we should have saved all the American lives and blood, and just let the English fall to the Germans in World War II. The English would be happier as a Nazi subject state.

Bruz
January 18, 2003, 08:35 PM
Simply unbelievable...he should not of have been convicted to begin with. :banghead:

m.i.sanders
January 18, 2003, 10:23 PM
I know, but I keep hoping someone will wake up over there.

BerettaNut92
January 18, 2003, 11:04 PM
The sun never sets on the British empire because they're too damn afraid to walk around at night!!

Butch
January 18, 2003, 11:25 PM
What has the land of Kipling Come to. SAD!!!!:uhoh:

Blackhawk
January 18, 2003, 11:31 PM
Sad. What's happened to Britain is just plain sad.... :(

bbrins
January 19, 2003, 02:36 AM
This farmer should be praised for what he did, not put in jail. This kind of crud is why we declared our independence from Brittain when we did. :cuss:

dave
January 19, 2003, 02:40 AM
Does this mean they now have to jail all policemen and judges? Aren't they a "danger to burglars" as well?

Razor
January 19, 2003, 04:31 AM
Does this mean they now have to jail all policemen and judges? Aren't they a "danger to burglars" as well?

Not in Britain.

Redlg155
January 19, 2003, 08:56 AM
Makes one just want to turn to a life of crime in Britian doesn't it?

I have a sneaking suspision that even though he's gone through all of this, he still won't be a victim in his home. ;)

Good Shooting
RED

mussi
January 19, 2003, 10:13 AM
In the UK, you can go and burglarize at your free will. Lovely.

I hope a few Brits go forth and buy crocodiles, or get badly-tempered Great Danes.

The latter measure is a known burglar deterrant. Maybe just a messy one, though.

Waitone
January 19, 2003, 10:25 AM
Yep, yep, yep.

Proof positive the US needs to copy the UK in gun control.

It ain't about gun control, it's all about self-defense.

TallPine
January 19, 2003, 10:49 AM
"not being up to speed with the 21st century and of thinking things were better 40 years ago".

Imprisoned for a "thought crime"

BerettaNut92
January 19, 2003, 11:40 AM
I wonder when humanity is going to legistlate itself out of existence.

It'll be criminals vs the rats and roaches and I know what side I'll be on.

coonan357
January 19, 2003, 11:47 AM
english royalty inbreeding at its finest , I'm glad my family was removed from there 450 years ago .. BTW we worked for the crown . :uhoh:

Lexter
January 19, 2003, 06:03 PM
I'm curious to see if any of you are small business owners and if you're packing on a daily basis. I've tried to convince my father to do this as he often locks up by himself.

Thanks in advance.

Lexter in NC

:scrutiny:

Sam
January 19, 2003, 07:54 PM
Always when I'm in the shop.
Either my 1911 or M24 Smith.
Keep an Ithaca 37 full of 0 handy under the counter too.

Sam

Betty
January 19, 2003, 10:40 PM
Dad does in his hardware store, though he doesn't pack during the day. He keeps his CCW in a drawer and puts it back on when he leaves. :(

He gets customers who call his home on the middle of a Sunday with, "Would you open up the store so I can get a couple nuts and bolts?" :rolleyes: Dad, being the generous person he is, obliges.

The previous owner of that hardware store was murdered in the basement. It's said that it happened on a weekend when he opened up the store for a customer. The body was dragged out and dumped in the local junkyard. :uhoh:

xjer
January 19, 2003, 11:16 PM
I keep a 357 in the shop at all times and bring a
kel-tec P-11 with me when I open up in the morning.
I dont keep it on me if I am welding but other than that it
is right there.

dairycreek
January 19, 2003, 11:42 PM
He packs all the time. Sometimes, when he deposits the day's receipts, I accompany him. Then I carry as well. More than one time in the last five years we both have been glad we were in a position to defend ourselves. Good shooting:)

Albert Shear
January 20, 2003, 07:53 AM
I run one of the largest pawn shops in Va. I have more jewelry than any two jewelry stores along with an FFL and everything else from electronics to video games and of course money. Store is about 3k sq.ft. IALWAYS have my main weapon and BUG on at all times(24/7) along with several shotguns and handguns strategically placed throughout the building.

cordex
January 20, 2003, 12:42 PM
I carry (not the owner of our small business, though) and my immediate superior just got a new handgun yesterday, and has his application for a handgun carry permit in the system. So ... 2 of the 5 full-time employees carry, but the owner doesn't.

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