Psychoanalysis of THR members by type


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cleetus03
June 29, 2009, 02:57 PM
Stereotypes are fun and Sigmund Freud Psychoanalysis's are even funner. Like it or not we all know or represent the following types of idiosyncratic behavior & mindset regarding "Gunnie Pet Peeves".

The following list was composed by a random blog I found to hit the spot right on discussing our quirks, lmao. Enjoy and feel free to add to this list.

1. The super-tacticool dude who has all the latest gadgets, attends all the courses, extolls the latest training techniques, etc. - and is morbidly obese and sweats while brushing his teeth. Look, your odds of dropping dead from a massive coronary are several orders of magnitude greater than your odds of getting into a gunfight. The best thing you can do to improve your odds of surviving is to put down the tactical Twinkie...


2. Guys who live and die by long range shooting. Now, don't get me wrong. If you want to outfit a serious rifle with top-shelf glass so that you can put a MOA group up at 600 yards, power to you. That takes incredible discipline and dedication to reach that level of shooting, and I applaud your hard work getting there. Just don't give me **** about zeroing my 4X scope at 50 yards. Look, I don't hunt. The odds of me using my rifle at anything greater than 50 yards is awfully remote. I just don't see much practical reason to spend a ton of money on braggin' rights.


3. The insistence on short barreled rifles for inside-the-home defense. Now, don't get me wrong. "Because I want one", "Because it's cool", or "Because I can" are all perfectly valid reasons for wanting to drop the money on the stamp for an SBR. Claiming it's the be-all, end-all for home defense, though, is a little on the silly side - if it's a pistol caliber, you're losing all the advantages over a handgun, and if it's a rifle, you're sacrificing accuracy for the sake of a really bright muzzle flash. Don't rationalize that $200 stamp as necessary for your home defense needs.


4. The whole "train like you fight" mentality taken to the extreme. Shooting without hearing protection "because you won't have time for ears when the bad guys kick in your door"; the whole "standing on the live range so you know what it's like to have bullets going by you"; basically, anything that throws common sense, the four rules, or proper shooting etiquette out the window in favor of "realism". Look, the odds of getting in a firefight are astonishingly low. The odds of serious hearing damage is pretty much 100%...


5. Insisting on only owning guns chambered in "military" calibers so that you "have a supply of ammo when TSHTF". Look, sparky, it's always a good idea to have a firearm or two that takes common ammunition. That's just plain sense - the major ammo manufacturers will have the most of whatever they sell the most of, and ammo that gets used by the Armed Forces will always be in demand. But honestly thinking that there's going to be some sort of SHTF scenario where you and your AR will be out roaming the street taking mags off of fallen soldiers is just a little too "out there" for my liking...


6. Shooters that base a gunnie's worth on their ability to shoot tight groups. Not all of us have the time and/or money to send hundreds of rounds downrange two or three times a week. If you do, and your level of proficiency makes Jerry Miculek go "DAMN!", that's awesome. I'm envious of your dedication to the sport. But please, don't look down your nose at me because my shots go low and right, or high and left, or somewhere other than the X-ring. Would I love to put all 10 shots in a tight circle you could cover with a half-dollar? Hell yes. Do I think you're any less of a gunnie because you can't shoot at my level? Hell no.


7. Anyone that honestly buys into the whole "9mm vs. .45ACP"/"Glock vs. 1911"/"AK vs. AR"/"Revolver vs. semi-auto"/"S&W vs. Colt vs. Ruger" nonsense. Sure, it's fun to argue in favor of/against your favorite/non-favorite gun/caliber/action, but in the end, it's all good. The only bad gun is one that doesn't work for you. Otherwise, it's all gravy.


Original blogger of this list can be found at;stuckinmassachusetts (http://stuckinmassachusetts.blogspot.com/2009/06/stupid-gunnie-tricks.html)

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JShirley
June 29, 2009, 03:06 PM
This should probably be made a sticky, but I'm not sure there's anything left to add to this list. I'm actually tempted to close...

Walkalong
June 29, 2009, 03:15 PM
Yea, I like it too. Good stuff. :)

DammitBoy
June 29, 2009, 03:16 PM
8. The guy who has never owned a gun, shot a gun, or even handled a gun but is the internet expert on everything. He has forgotten more about guns, than you will ever know. He goes to gunshows and irritates vendors and attendees with his vast knowledge. He hangs out at the local gunshop and forces the owner to listen to his expert opinion. He has played Half-Life and Halo so many times, he thinks he is better trained than anybody in the military...

SSN Vet
June 29, 2009, 03:16 PM
don't forget us engineering geeks who are still looking for a powder measure that will discern .01 grains :)

SuperNaut
June 29, 2009, 03:21 PM
Another vote for this to be made sticky!

rainbowbob
June 29, 2009, 03:21 PM
...put down the tactical Twinkie...

Now that's funny!

NGIB
June 29, 2009, 03:32 PM
8. The guy who has never owned a gun, shot a gun, or even handled a gun but is the internet expert on everything. He has forgotten more about guns, than you will ever know. He goes to gunshows and irritates vendors and attendees with his vast knowledge. He hangs out at the local gunshop and forces the owner to listen to his expert opinion. He has played Half-Life and Halo so many times, he thinks he is better trained than anybody in the military...

Lots and lots of these on every forum...

Oyeboten
June 29, 2009, 03:56 PM
9.


People who only have old Guns...but, with effort, and determination, can warm up 'okay' to an early S & W Model 10 Revolver if the front Sight has been reshaped into a half Moon...and the Magna Stocks changed out to round-tops...who when they say "1911", mean it literally (ie: 1912-1923 production, and not an A1 or later variation... )

Old Fuff
June 29, 2009, 06:20 PM
Is you a'pickn on me.... :D

doc2rn
June 29, 2009, 06:45 PM
10. Or is just like Old Fuff and actually remembers when firearms where put together by gunsmiths instead of mass produced, back in the good ole days. But he is still tolerant of all of us NEWBIES that he will still give us sage advice. ^He is the MAN! He has forgotten more about guns than most will learn in these politically correct times.

11. Just see Gecko45 ---that's just sayin something!

12. See Skippy's List

yokel
June 29, 2009, 07:00 PM
Like any other online discussion site, THR has its fanatics, heretics, and deviants.

Geno
June 29, 2009, 07:07 PM
Now this is funny! Thanks for sharing it.

Geno

Justin
June 29, 2009, 08:07 PM
I've seen this essay making the rounds on the various forums, as well as having read the original blog post. I'll be completely honest:

The author either doesn't know what he's talking about, or he's writing about various shooting sub-cultures that I've never witnessed first hand.


1. The super-tacticool dude who has all the latest gadgets, attends all the courses, extolls the latest training techniques, etc. - and is morbidly obese and sweats while brushing his teeth. Look, your odds of dropping dead from a massive coronary are several orders of magnitude greater than your odds of getting into a gunfight. The best thing you can do to improve your odds of surviving is to put down the tactical Twinkie...

My perception of those who actually attend shooting schools is that they trend towards being late twenties to their fifties, and in average to above-average physical condition. While there's no shortage of armchair revolutionaries tacking lasers to their SKS's, I have yet to see or hear of any of them attending classes from the likes of Pat Rogers, Rob Pincus, etc.

2. Guys who live and die by long range shooting. Now, don't get me wrong. If you want to outfit a serious rifle with top-shelf glass so that you can put a MOA group up at 600 yards, power to you. That takes incredible discipline and dedication to reach that level of shooting, and I applaud your hard work getting there. Just don't give me **** about zeroing my 4X scope at 50 yards. Look, I don't hunt. The odds of me using my rifle at anything greater than 50 yards is awfully remote. I just don't see much practical reason to spend a ton of money on braggin' rights.

Fifty yards is shotgun and pistol territory. If you don't actually ever try shooting a rifle past those distances, you plainly don't have an appreciation for what can be done with a rifle, or you don't have access to a proper shooting range. There is much obvious and inherent utility in being able to effectively employ a rifle at distances greater than fifty yards, especially under field conditions. In this listing, I can only see sour grapes on the part of the author, which is really kind of sad.

3. The insistence on short barreled rifles for inside-the-home defense. Now, don't get me wrong. "Because I want one", "Because it's cool", or "Because I can" are all perfectly valid reasons for wanting to drop the money on the stamp for an SBR. Claiming it's the be-all, end-all for home defense, though, is a little on the silly side - if it's a pistol caliber, you're losing all the advantages over a handgun, and if it's a rifle, you're sacrificing accuracy for the sake of a really bright muzzle flash. Don't rationalize that $200 stamp as necessary for your home defense needs.

Plainly the author has never actually fired an SBR in cramped quarters. His argument that you're losing accuracy is disingenuous at best, as anyone who's using an SBR for home defense isn't looking for a weapon they can use to employ at long distance. Home defense implies distances of twenty yards or less, where the advantages of maneuverability are going to trump the negligible loss in accuracy. Muzzle flash and report can both be mitigated with a suppressor.

4. The whole "train like you fight" mentality taken to the extreme. Shooting without hearing protection "because you won't have time for ears when the bad guys kick in your door"; the whole "standing on the live range so you know what it's like to have bullets going by you"; basically, anything that throws common sense, the four rules, or proper shooting etiquette out the window in favor of "realism". Look, the odds of getting in a firefight are astonishingly low. The odds of serious hearing damage is pretty much 100%...

Who does this? No, really? In all of my years of being involved with various facets of the shooting culture I have seen exactly ONE example of this; the recent video with the cameraman standing down range at a supposedly professional tactical pistol training course. One example is an extreme outlier and not indicative of any sort of trend that I'm aware of.

5. Insisting on only owning guns chambered in "military" calibers so that you "have a supply of ammo when TSHTF". Look, sparky, it's always a good idea to have a firearm or two that takes common ammunition. That's just plain sense - the major ammo manufacturers will have the most of whatever they sell the most of, and ammo that gets used by the Armed Forces will always be in demand. But honestly thinking that there's going to be some sort of SHTF scenario where you and your AR will be out roaming the street taking mags off of fallen soldiers is just a little too "out there" for my liking...

Well, ok, I can't disagree with this one.

6. Shooters that base a gunnie's worth on their ability to shoot tight groups. Not all of us have the time and/or money to send hundreds of rounds downrange two or three times a week. If you do, and your level of proficiency makes Jerry Miculek go "DAMN!", that's awesome. I'm envious of your dedication to the sport. But please, don't look down your nose at me because my shots go low and right, or high and left, or somewhere other than the X-ring. Would I love to put all 10 shots in a tight circle you could cover with a half-dollar? Hell yes. Do I think you're any less of a gunnie because you can't shoot at my level? Hell no.

Equivocation for sloppy shooting technique. Of all of the High Master, Grand Master, and Legged Out competitive shooters I've met from all shooting sports ranging from Olympic Air Pistol to IPSC, one of the unifying traits they all share is a willingness to help those of lesser ability to improve their technique. I'd be hard-pressed to name all of the helpful ones, and could list the jerks with fingers on one hand with fingers left over. The author plainly thinks that there is an exclusive clique of shooters of great technique, and once you're in this clique that you get to be a jerk to everyone else. This is patently untrue.

Also, extreme accuracy is only one metric for judging a shooter's skill. Safe handling, speed, ability to manage things such as reloads and jams, cross-platform familiarity, etc. are some examples of others.

7. Anyone that honestly buys into the whole "9mm vs. .45ACP"/"Glock vs. 1911"/"AK vs. AR"/"Revolver vs. semi-auto"/"S&W vs. Colt vs. Ruger" nonsense. Sure, it's fun to argue in favor of/against your favorite/non-favorite gun/caliber/action, but in the end, it's all good. The only bad gun is one that doesn't work for you. Otherwise, it's all gravy.

I can't majorly disagree with this one, either. If a particular gun suits your needs, go with it. However, particular makes and models of gun, or particular calibers may be ill-advised for various applications. Criticisms of platforms, gear, or caliber need to be conducted within the framework of applicability for a given scenario to be useful.


Frankly, I think this author spent more time sitting in front a keyboard writing his list of "observations" rather than actually attending ranges, matches, shooting classes, or other events where he could truly learn that perhaps the stereotypes in his head don't really apply to reality.

ArmedBear
June 29, 2009, 08:12 PM
Fifty yards is shotgun and pistol territory.

Home defense implies distances of twenty yards or less

I agree with your conclusion, even if you don't agree with it.:D

inSight-NEO
June 29, 2009, 08:12 PM
Pigeonholing can be a dangerous thing. Many here, myself included, just may be a mix of any one of those stereotypical categories.

Besides, is anyone here truly qualified when it comes to anything even remotely approaching "psychoanalysis?"

ArmedBear
June 29, 2009, 08:13 PM
Besides, is anyone here truly qualified when it comes to anything even remotely approaching "phychoanalysis?"

Probably as qualified as anyone else, which is to say, no.:D

cleetus03
June 29, 2009, 08:24 PM
^..HAHAHAHAHA Well said ArmedBear!

LeverGunJunkie
June 29, 2009, 08:43 PM
Justin;
Dude, lighten up...he is being facetious. He is just basically pokin fun at all of us THR members. I and a few others thought is was just plain funny. And frankly, a delightful diversion from daily lectures doled out by the leadership.

2RCO
June 29, 2009, 09:06 PM
I prefer the tactical ice cream sandwich.

As a tactical food Twinkies almost make sense thanks to the quick energy burst and near indefinite shelflife.

I am taking this too far.

bearmgc
June 29, 2009, 09:10 PM
Heeheeheehee...

danprkr
June 29, 2009, 10:58 PM
Besides, is anyone here truly qualified when it comes to anything even remotely approaching "psychoanalysis?"

I'm sometimes called psycho by.... well, we'll call them friends. Does that count?:evil:

Eightball
June 29, 2009, 11:36 PM
Serves well enough to mock the Gecko45s and GunKids, at the very least.

Don't forget the Centac's of the world.

cchris
June 29, 2009, 11:46 PM
13. The avid videogamer who plays Call of Duty too much and knows next to nothing about guns, and corrects people when they say they own a Gewehr 98, telling them it's either a Gewehr 43 or a Karabiner 98k.

More prevalent on Youtube, but I've seen it in a few forums.

hso
June 29, 2009, 11:47 PM
Like it or not we all know or represent the following types of idiosyncratic behavior & mindset regarding "Gunnie Pet Peeves".

While amusing over the top caricatures, I have to disagree that we know or represent most of the 7 pet peeves.

The humor is in the absurd exaggeration of the familiar, but it is not the reality.

I guess that makes me a stick in the mud too.

Titan6
June 29, 2009, 11:58 PM
I hate agreeing with Justin but I was already thinking the same thing. This board has a lot of professionals on it and we don't need to sucumb to the typical anti sterotypes.

This might have offered in good fun but I don't like it.

Justin
June 30, 2009, 12:36 AM
Justin;
Dude, lighten up...he is being facetious. He is just basically pokin fun at all of us THR members. I and a few others thought is was just plain funny. And frankly, a delightful diversion from daily lectures doled out by the leadership.


You see, here's the problem. For satire to be funny, it should actually contain a kernel of truth. Otherwise, it's just lame and unfunny. I don't see any truth, exaggerated or otherwise in this particular blogger's attempt at humor. There's no real irony or snark. Just kind of a low-level undercurrent of jealousy. I get the same vibe from the "humor" of Janeane Garofalo.

Besides, this particular attempt pales in comparison to the original from which the blogger has pulled his concept, The Comprehensive Guide to Gun Shows (http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=74535), which is much funnier because the original author had both familiarity with his topic and a knack for descriptive writing.

As for your dig at me with the "daily lecture" bit, I don't think any of the staff here act in a manner that could be described as engaging in lecturing.

We have our opinions, beliefs, and experiences and make posts accordingly. Lecturing, when done at all, is done in private and between individual parties.

cleetus03
June 30, 2009, 01:33 AM
repost

rainbowbob
June 30, 2009, 01:44 AM
Is you a'pickn on me....

Old Fuff: They better not...without you and the others here who know about the classics, the rest of us wouldn't have a clue. Seriously.

cleetus03
June 30, 2009, 02:02 AM
This board has a lot of professionals on it and we don't need to sucumb to the typical anti sterotypes.

This might have offered in good fun but I don't like it.

What exactly do you define as being professional?


How is this list succumbing to the typical anti stereotypes?


Lighten up guys. The original blogger of the this list began with the following paragraph;

"I forget how it came up, whether it was in chat with somebody or in Gunblogger Conspiracy, but somehow the topic of pet peeves came up... Naturally, this got me to thinking (always a dicey proposition). Gunnie Pet Peeves! What are the stupid/silly/inane things that fellow gunnies do that make you shake your head in amazement? Here are some of mine:"

It's just one man's view upon the gun culture which he is also apart of. Naturally the list is going to piss off the people who represent any of his pet peeves, but don't take it personally.

Titan6
June 30, 2009, 07:06 AM
A professional is what a lot of people on this board are.

Your sterotypes are a poor representation of the gun community and represent a very small minority. Say you had catergorized all black people as being musicians, athletes or criminals the stereotypes would be false and paint a picture about your personal beliefs. By asking us to catergorize THR members in the same way you are telling us how you feel about the gun community. If I were pissed off you would know it. As it is I just don't like it.

Ed4032
June 30, 2009, 08:53 AM
OK I had to tell the Preacher at church this. There is a fine line between preaching and meddling. Preaching is when you are talking about somebody else. That's OK, preach all you want. Meddling is when you are talking about me. Don't meddle.

Number 5

BullpupBen
June 30, 2009, 09:08 AM
*clears throat* LIGHTEN UP

rbernie
June 30, 2009, 09:09 AM
Here's a clue: if you have to explain the joke, it's probably not that funny.


PS: But I did like the phrase 'tactical twinkie'. :)

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