i have a mp45 compact (obviously lol) and i actually just sent it back to smith today. the sear pin is coming out, but it's still never jammed and shoots quite accurately for a polymer 45.
the only issue i have is that the trigger pull is quite a bit heavier than my mp 40 compact. i mentioned this in the letter i sent with the gun, hopefully smith will lighten the trigger free of charge.
anyone have some reviews of any m&p45's, lets hear them:)
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June 29, 2009, 09:06 PM
LA County Sherriff's Department memo: (read it for yourself)
SHERIFFS DEPARTMENT BROADCAST ANNOUNCEMENT
TRAINING BUREAU WEAPONS TRAINING
TO: ALL SWORN PERSONNEL
SUBJECT: OFFICER SAFETY ALERT - SMITH & WESSON M&P PISTOLS
RECENT DEVELOPMENTS HAVE FORCED A DEPARTMENTAL RE-EVALUATION OF THE SMITH & WESSON 9MM M&P SEMI-AUTOMATIC PISTOL AS AN AUTHORIZED OPTIONAL HANDGUN FOR SWORN PERSONNEL.
EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY, THE SMITH & WESSON 9MM M&P FULL SIZE PISTOL IS NO LONGER AN AUTHORIZED OPTIONAL ON-DUTY PISTOL.
EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY, THE SMITH & WESSON 9MM M&P COMPACT PISTOL IS NO LONGER AN AUTHORIZED OPTIONAL OFF-DUTY PISTOL.
SINCE FIRST APPROVAL AS AN OPTIONAL PISTOL ON DECEMBER 10, 2008, THE FULL-SIZED AND/OR COMPACT VERSIONS OF THE 9MM SMITH & WESSON M&P PISTOL HAVE BEEN DEPLOYED BY 49 SWORN PERSONNEL ON AND OFF DUTY. ONE OF THESE PISTOLS WAS DELIVERED NEW WITH AN IMPROPERLY MACHINED BARREL THAT WOULD NOT EJECT SPENT CARTRIDGE CASINGS. ANOTHER OF THESE PISTOLS EXPERIENCED A BARREL FAILURE IN MID-APRIL OF THIS YEAR. AFTER FIRING LESS THAN 10,000 ROUNDS OF TRAINING AMMUNITION. THIS PISTOL BARREL BROKE INTO TWO PIECES JUST AHEAD OF THE FIRING CHAMBER.
ADDITIONALLY, A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF DEPUTY ACADEMY CLASS #377 RECRUITS WITH ISSUED NEW SMITH & WESSON 9MM M&P FULL-SIZE PISTOLS HAVE EXPERIENCED PHASE-2 PISTOL MALFUNCTIONS, CAUSED BY SPENT CASINGS FAILING TO EXTRACT FROM BARREL CHAMBERS, DURING THE PAST TWO WEEKS OF TRAINING. CLASS #377 RECRUITS WILL BE ISSUED BERETTA 92FS PISTOLS ON WEDNESDAY APRIL 29, 2009, AND THEIR M&P PISTOLS REMOVED FROM SERVICE.
PERSONNEL SAFETY AND RELIABLE EQUIPMENT REMAIN OUR PRIMARY CONCERNS.
DIRECT ANY QUESTIONS TO
SERGEANT XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX@LASD.ORG AT THE B.C. RANGE.
LEROY D. BACA, SHERIFF KBL/SNDG
June 29, 2009, 11:27 PM
did YOU read the memo the supposedly came from the LASD?
It refers only to 9mm and does not restrict the use of M&P 40s or 45s.
My M&P 45c has shot over 1,000 of my reloads without bobble or mishap. It is a fine weapon and has replaced a 1911 as a daily carry piece. It appears to have less recoil that a full size steel 1911 and is as accurate as my Kimber, Springfield or STI carry guns.
Plus, my back sure appreciates the lighter load.
When you get it back from S&W, I am sure that the problem will be fixed. Try to send a taurus back for routine repairs. You will pay shipping and it will take a year IF they will accept it.
June 30, 2009, 12:59 AM
hi jaysouth-you're right smith has great customer serv.
i just got back my mp40 compact (locked open w rounds still in the mag). they fixed it and gave me a free mag. paid shipping too. this mp 40 never had a ftf or fte either :)
does your mp45c have a pretty heavy trigger pull too?
June 30, 2009, 02:14 AM
Jaysouth: of course I read it. The M&P 9mm is essentially the same gun as the M&P .45. Is the .45 cal safe? Have any had enough rounds through them by enough people to eliminate degrees of freedom problems with populations and insure high enough confidence levels that they are a totally separate population without the same defects? Has S&W certified this to be statistically valid with their testing? It does not sound as though S&W has process reliabiltity and statistical Quality controls and process capability high enough to assure product integrity and customer quality.
June 30, 2009, 02:17 AM
the thoughts on firearms in California by the decision makers are just stupid. only gang member can get high capacity mags and jhp's in cali.
June 30, 2009, 10:48 AM
In addition to the M&P issues with the LA County Sherriff's Department, S&W has also had a recall this year for frames on their 22A pistol that were not properly inspected (had no final Inspectors mark) and for PPK series pistols that discharged wihout pulling the trigger when the slide is released during loading. This evidentury trail makes me believe the S&W does not have a working Quality Plan that is being adhered to by Quality Engineering during final assembly, inspection and testing of their product prior to sending pistols out to their dealers for sale.
Two out of three of these defects could result in grievous personal injury to anyone unfortunate enough to own one of the affected pistols.
June 30, 2009, 12:23 PM
yeah i'm sending in my 2nd mp for repairs. both my mp's only had minor issues, but smith could step up the QA a bit! thankfully they have the bomb cust serv
July 1, 2009, 12:35 AM
Both LASD and LAPD have approved M&Ps in .40 and .45 for both duty and off duty carry.
Wonder why the .40s and .45s were not flagged and prohibited from future carry? Not trying to start a flame war, but you seem to have it in for S&W.
July 1, 2009, 12:39 AM
"does your mp45c have a pretty heavy trigger pull too? "
With just a thousand rounds through it, all low pressure wadcutter reloads, mine improves every day. Right now it feels like a Glock with a 3.5# disconnector. Great trigger.
A couple of days ago, I shot a friend's full size 45. The trigger seemed heavy to me but was consistent and could be mastered after 30-40 rounds.
July 1, 2009, 12:56 AM
I have a 45c and I LOVE it. I will admit the trigger takes some getting used to, but now I really like it.
Iv never had a single problem and Im sure if I ever do S&W will take great care of me. Their CS was a big selling point for me when I was considering my new polymer .45 purchase.
I cant think of a single complaint against my m&p45c.
July 1, 2009, 02:34 PM
My M&P45c has 547 rounds though it. No failures of anykind using target lead reloads, XTP reloads, hydrashocks, and HSTs.
The trigger vastly improved with some snap cap dryfire practice and I have come to shoot this pistol well after a 200 round or so get to know you period.
July 1, 2009, 06:51 PM
The trigger on the standard M&P 45 is heavier than that on the standard 9/.40/.357SIG models, and the accepted tolerance range (according to my armorer class and at least my early manual) is +/- 2 lbs in relation to the 'standard weight'.
My M&P 45 came with a trigger on the heavier end of the tolerance range. Doesn't that just figure? :neener:
Anyway, while it took me a couple of hundred rounds to become familiar with the trigger stroke on it when it was new it didn't prevent me from immediately realizing a very surprising and satisfying level of practical accuracy with my then-new M&P 45.
After a couple of range sessions and upwards of 500-odd rounds had been fired I realized the trigger was starting to feel noticeably smoother. I didn't bother to recheck the trigger weight with my digital gauge because the actual number wouldn't matter to me as long as the inherent accuracy was so good.
Now, a little more than a year later, more than 2,600+ rounds have been fired through my M&P 45. Reliability has been consistently ... even monotonously ... reliable. The ammunition used hasn't been terribly varied, granted. While approx 100-odd rounds has been FMJ (left-over in my range bag, so to speak), the rest has been a combination of only 3 different major brand, duty-type JHP loads.
I actually enjoy taking my M&P 45 to the range for a normal range day/training session more than taking one of my several 1911's. :uhoh: Go figure that one out.
Recently, I finally had to leave the M&P 45 at home and take one of my 1911's, a stainless Colt Government XSE, to the range for a couple of sessions and a few hundred rounds.
I feel there are a number of inherent refinements and nice features of the M&P pistols series which I like when compared to the other polymer frame pistols I own and use, being Glocks and SW99's. I've addressed my thoughts in other threads from time to time and won't repeat it all again, but some of the features I like about the M&P pistol series are:
Several design features of the M&P are interesting.
Enhanced frame strength (w/steel sub-chassis)
Frame rails are easily replaced if damaged (without frame replacement)
Heavy slide dust cover to resist damage if dropped
Beavertail grip frame to reduce potential for slide bite
Grip inserts include palm swells as well as back strap dimension differences
Ambidextrous slide stop levers
Reversible magazine catch button
Large, robust extractor (and roll pin used in the .45 model)
Stainless steel recoil guide rod assembly
Beveled barrel hood
Through-hardened stainless steel barrel & slide (no zone tempering)
Trigger return spring used in the striker assembly
There have been some ongoing revisions and changes based upon owner/user feedback, too.
Slide stop lever spring tension increased.
Striker design revised a couple of times.
Magazine body finish changed.
Follower design (at least in the .40 S&W models)
A number of the spare parts I've ordered while building a spare parts supply have been identified as revisions. (Not uncommon with S&W, though, as they're always revising parts among their other handgun model lines, as well. ;) )
All things considered, I think the M&P pistol series is a welcome addition to the current polymer-frame pistol market.
Being a certified LE armorer for Glock, SW99/P99 and the M&P, I have a bit of familiarity with those designs. I also own a pair of each design in different calibers. (In my humble opinion, some folks who live in polymer houses ought to be careful when it comes to tossing rocks around about occasional issues arising with different makes/models.)
While I plan to keep the Glock and 99 series pistols I already own, I doubt I'll be buying more Glocks or 99 series pistols, but I wouldn't be at all surprised to find myself picking up at least another M&P.
I'm thinking about a M&P 45c to add to my retirement CCW collection. The standard size M&P 45 I own is a just a bit larger than I'd prefer for normal CCW usage now that I'm retired and don't envision having to invoke peace officer status and take an enforcement action. The M&P 45c might be small enough that I'd be willing to use it in my normal rotation of CCW weapons nowadays.
I just like the way the M&P 45 has been done, all things considered. I already have other design 9mm pistols which serve my needs well, so I don't have any immediate plans to pick up a M&P 9 ... and of the 5 pistols I own chambered in .40 S&W, the M&P 40c is a dandy little pistol but it just doesn't stand out as being something that would 'replace' the rest of them for the most part.
Kind of how I tend to like the Glock and 99 series designs when chambered in 9mm (although I own and have used models chambered in .40 S&W in both designs, as well), I happen to like the M&P when chambered in .45 ACP.
Kind of nice to have so many choices in the pistol design field, isn't it?
Of course, I still choose to carry one or another of my J-frames more than my various 9mm, .40 S&W or .45 ACP pistols. I figure I just came back around to revolvers after the better part of almost 3 decades in the LE field and not quite 20 years as a firearms instructor. ;)
I'll always have an enjoyment and great respect for traditional double action and single action metal-framed pistols, too, for that matter.
July 1, 2009, 07:55 PM
Heres something interesting about the SW line of M&Ps that most people do not know, I am currently in a major police academy and we were given various fliers from different dealers that sell us our duty weapons. One dealer harped on the fact that he sells ONLY law enforcement audited pistols, which are pistols that are checked over by SW at the factory. This raised a red flag for me.
Glock , Sig, XD do not have such a thing as "law enforcement audited pistols".
There are major quality control issues with ALL SW products right now.
Also the m&p had the most problems in terms of malfunctions during our firearms training, one cadet who is a an officer from another agency told me that he was actually dumping his mp and going back to Glock because he and others experianced a lot of problems.
For the record I am not a SW hater, I just think that they are producing some less than stellar products.h
Thanks for sharing your vast knowledge with us. I will buy your first book when it comes out.
July 1, 2009, 09:42 PM
Jaysouth, I own a couple of S&W wheel guns, have owned several more over the years. I have nothing but praise for S&W products that I have owned and shot from ..22 LR to .44 Mag. My issue was with S&WMP45, dissing Kimber, having only handled one pistol briefly at the range with an opinion that they were junk based on one friend who had a polymer frame crack. I just thought that maybe a little comparative reality might remind him that stuff happens with 1911 pistols and engineered complexity, whether made by Kimber, Colt, S&W or whomever.......
The Kimber topic posts on this board degenerated into a flame war that resulted in the topic being closed, which I thought unfortunate and unfair to Kimber. I made my point and have moved on!
July 2, 2009, 04:53 AM
The Atlanta PD issue was not a recall. (Btw, here's the link to the actual Recall programs which S&W lists on their public website, BTW: http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/CustomContentDisplay?langId=-1&storeId=10001&catalogId=10001&content=12002§ionId=10506 )
The APD situation involved a small number of the M&P 40's in-service at APD which exhibited some 'walking' pins in the actual trigger assembly (meaning not the trigger pin in the frame). I was told it was not noticed because of any functioning problems experienced or reported. It was noticed by S&W factory armorers at the range. Rather than wonder about whether it would occur to more of the pistols at any time in the future, they decided to simply replace the trigger bars in all of the pistols. FWIW, the plastic triggers are vendor parts and I was told this was the first time this issue had been reported with M&P pistols currently in-service.
The APD M&P 40's were announced back at the end of Jan '08, along with a few other contracts.
Excerpt from S&W Press Release (located at: http://ir.smith-wesson.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=90977&p=irol-newsArticle&ID=1102606&highlight= )
SPRINGFIELD, Mass., Jan. 31 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Smith & Wesson Holding Corporation (Nasdaq: SWHC), parent company of Smith & Wesson Corp., the legendary 156-year old company in the global business of safety, security, protection and sport, announced today that it has recently received several orders for its Military & Police (M&P) polymer pistols. Most recently, Smith & Wesson received an order from the Colorado Springs Police Department to equip the city's officers with 500 M&P40 polymer pistols. Other sizeable agencies that have recently converted to the M&P pistol series include the Atlanta Police Department, Charlotte Police Department, and Syracuse Police Department. A total of 1,900 M&P40 pistols have been shipped to the Atlanta Police Department; 1,650 M&P40 pistols have been shipped to the Charlotte Police Department; and 500 .45 ACP M&P pistols have been shipped to the Syracuse Police Department.
Officials at each of the four agencies indicated that the M&P pistol was selected after an extensive testing and evaluation process. During the testing, which in some cases exceeded eight months in duration, the M&P pistol was noted for its enhanced ergonomics, ambidextrous controls and proven safety features. Officials added that the polymer pistol's interchangeable grip sizes, accuracy, and ability to be disassembled without pressing the trigger are features that were all highly valued by their officers. The M&P pistol will replace early model Smith & Wesson and non-Smith & Wesson firearms currently used by the four agencies.
On January 28, the Company announced that it had secured an order from the Colorado State Police, citing that orders from state agencies have the potential to help drive future orders from smaller, municipal agencies within the same state. Today's announcement references the Colorado Springs Police Department, a municipal agency which is distinct from and in addition to the Colorado State Police order announced earlier.
During the armorer class we were told that S&W is test-firing each M&P pistol with 15 rounds (loading 5 rds in each of 3 different test magazines). When I asked if this was just being done for LE contract orders I was told that no, it was being done with each M&P as it was produced, whether for commercial or LE/Gov orders. I've been told that the only difference between the commercial runs and the LE runs are night sights often being added to LE slides and an extra magazine being included in LE order guns (3 instead of 2).
Now, if you want to talk about issues which are occurring with any number of different pistols currently in-service with LE agencies from a number of the major makers, it's a conversation that could last for a long time. ;)
I've had the opportunity to get together and talk about such things with LE armorers at many of the armorer classes I've attended over the years. It's not like there aren't firearms made by other reputable major manufacturers which aren't having their share of issues arise, you know. ;)
July 2, 2009, 05:09 AM
Thanks for sharing your vast knowledge with us. I will buy your first book when it comes out.
Uh, thanks, but remember that I'm not even close to being anybody's idea of an 'expert', nor am I a factory technician, engineer or licensed gunsmith. I'm just a guy who's been lucky enough to have attended a fair number of armorer classes over the years and was fortunate to have been able to apprentice myself, so to speak, to a very experienced LE armorer when I was a newly minted armorer. I've also been fortunate in being able to occasionally call and discuss things with folks at a few of the companies when I had diagnostic and repair questions.
I've been toying with trying to organize and condense several hundred pages of material I've written over the last several years into something I might try to publish someday, but it involves the spiritual and mental aspects of my involvement in the martial arts, not firearms.
Granted, after spending just shy of 20 years working as a LE firearms instructor I've collected some small amount of my observations, thoughts and experiences in written material, but there's definitely no shortage of folks writing for that subject nowadays. ;) I have no immediate plans to try and do anything with it.
I'm still busy compiling lists of everything I don't know. :uhoh:
July 2, 2009, 01:58 PM
kimber does have questionable quality control, sorry if that fact hurts your feelings, Oldtrader3 (?)
if someone said that S&W's were crap, what do i care? everyone's entitled to their opinion-this is america, right?
anyway, about 400 police departments already issue the m&p, i think that speaks for itself. while absolutely zero departments issue an xd, even though it's been on the market longer.
July 2, 2009, 07:50 PM
Newbie to THR here.
I have as my duty weapon and IDPA gun a M&P 40 no safety or decocker. I LOVED it until today. When I got home and unloaded it and sent the hammer (striker) home on an empty chamber for the night...no click! The striker was broken. Good thing I didn't need it today because I don't know how long it had been like that since this morning. The gun has had use, about 5000 rds and is "cocked" all day. S&W is sending me a new striker assembly no questions asked, but doesn't seemed concerned about it. Don't misunderstand, I'm not running down S&W, it's the whole reason I choose my M&P. But I have lost confidence in what I hope I will never have to use to save my life or my colleagues life. Any of you ever heard of this or had i happen to yours?
July 2, 2009, 09:29 PM
Nothing hurt my feelings. I was upset about an entire post that degenerated into name calling and was locked down by the moderators. S&P, you have no experience with Kimbers any more than I do with the M&P. I have no "feelings" toward either pistol except keep it above-board and make comparisons fair. Also it would help if you have an ax to grind based on some real world experience. That's it, all's said.
125grSJHP, I hope that Smith treats your issue as serious and that you never are faced with a failure like this in a real-life gunfight.
July 2, 2009, 10:05 PM
I had a full size M&P45 that I owned for over a year. Accurate, reliable, very good ergonomics. Smith did their homework on the M&P series and I think they have a winner there.
That said, I traded it last month on a Colt Government 1911. I just have a thing for 1911s, is all. Not a thing wrong with that M&P, except it wasn't a 1911. It's now in the hands of someone who will appreciate it for what it is.
July 2, 2009, 10:40 PM
The frame sag issue kept me away from the M&P 45.
July 3, 2009, 12:15 PM
I've owned 2 M&P's, a .45 and a 9L. I didn't keep the 9L long. I shot the 45 quite a bit, around 1,000 rounds. Like most of my guns, I do my own gunsmithing. Really good trigger improvements are difficult to acheive on the M&P series. I managed a good pull on the 45, but eventually had to send the 9L to someone else. S&W will not sell a sear to a private owner.
The 45 was accurate but would not reliably feed the H&G 200 LSWC. The M&P uses a squared chamber throat and is not condusive to using any bullet with a square shoulder partition. Wish I would have known this before I bought it.
There are not a lot of aftermarket items for the M&P's, so you need to be pretty satisfied with it in its as delivered form. In the end, I sold both M&P's and I've decided to stick with my Glock for a polymer pistol.
July 3, 2009, 07:49 PM
i think the frame sag issues only happens to the mid and full size models, haven't seen it on the compact yet.
July 7, 2009, 07:05 PM
S&W sent me a Striker Assembly yesterday, 2nd Day FedEx. Not bad considering there was a holiday in between. I have confidence issues though. If there was a little more beef at the right angle where the striker comes up from the assembly I think it would be fine.
July 7, 2009, 07:38 PM
The latest M&P 45 striker you received is probably the latest revision, which means it has benefited from some further attention to owner/user feedback. I had to wait a while for them to arrive when I was ordering some spare parts.
July 8, 2009, 12:03 AM
I bought my M&P45c in December '08 and had to send it in to Smith the following day. It was missing the pin that holds the sear disconnect lever in the sear block. Not a big deal, but something S&W should have never let out the door. They fixed in a week, but again should have be avoided.
July 14, 2009, 08:34 PM
Unfortunately the striker is exactly the same. The rep told me that it doesn't happen that it was a 1 in million chance. I would send in the old one with a letter about what I think would be an improvement without changing the housing or assembly. Considering their lack of concern on the phone and no response in email I'm sure the letter and part would be filed away to the trash.
July 14, 2009, 09:31 PM
The new revised M&P .45 striker has a part description of: NEW M&P STRIKER REV A.
Not all changes to metal parts are dimensional changes. Metallurgical and/or hardening changes may not necessarily be visible to the eye. "Beefing up" a part may be more easily and effectively done by introducing a change in the manufacturing, metallurgical and/or hardening process, instead of just making a part thicker or heavier. There's striker mass/spring rate issues to consider, if nothing else ...
This is why the engineers get paid. ;)
Sent you a PM, BTW.
August 10, 2009, 02:22 PM
I just got back from my first range session with my new S&W M&P 45 ACP. This model has the night sites, the thumb safety and no magazine safety. I loaded ONE round (my first shot with a new gun is always ONE round, just in case the darned thing tries to blow up in my hand). That round went directly into the center of the bull's eye at 21 feet. I about packed up and went home right then! "Ayup, that's all I need to know." Instead, I put about 75 rounds of factory 230 FMJ and 185-230 HPs through the pistol--all without a hitch. The gun did NOT work with my dad's LSWC reloads, but he loads these for HIS guns and they are notorious for being over sized in most other guns. No worries. Lesson learned.
I put the over sized LSWCs aside and fired strong hand only and week hand only without a hitch. Everything went in tight little groups at 21 feet. So, I hung a B27 target and rolled it out to 75 feet. I fired 5 rounds each at every target distance including SHO and WHO at 21 feet and 5 rounds at 15 feet so fast the range officer blinked the lights and gave me the I'm-gonna-cut-your-throat-if-you-do-that-again sign. I scored 94% on points and 100% if you count everything inside the 8 rings as a hit. No missing shots. No stray shots. I only had 5 rounds just into the 8 ring lower left (typical for me).
The trigger is fine as is. The night sights are awesome. The gun weighs 36 oz. loaded (that's 10 oz. lighter than the S&W 645 I'm replacing). Recoil did NOT hurt my hand (and that's a special problem for me as even the Ruger P345 and Glock 19 hurt my hands). The safety works perfectly and I even like the all black finish that will hide well against a black t-shirt.
I'm so taken with this firearm that if the reliability continues for 500 rounds, I will probably make this my ONE GUN and have my name inscribed on the top of the slide.
February 7, 2010, 12:53 PM
This evidentury trail makes me believe the S&W does not have a working Quality Plan that is being adhered to by Quality Engineering during final assembly, inspection and testing of their product prior to sending pistols out to their dealers for sale.
IN 2008 S&W produced 261,115 handguns. I'm sure there were even more for 2009. You listed a few malfunctions as evidence that ALL of them are substandard. Brilliant. You do realize that the only reason your logic doesn't apply to ALL manufacturers is just that you don't have the DESIRE to apply it to them? Firearms are machines and they aren't perfect. I would love to know what manufacturer you think doesn't have any of those same problems?
February 7, 2010, 02:25 PM
I had a talk with my FFL dealer who does 40%+ business with law enforcement officers.
What he told me was that in his 20+ years of selling firearms, he has seen just about every make have some issues (some more than others). He noticed newer models have the most amount of manufacturer related failures/malfunction. All the problem cases have been promptly addressed by the factory service centers.
I believe some manufacturer may take the position of "if it breaks, then we'll fix it" vs doing a recall because it costs less. S&W is taking the right step by doing a recall, but it gets more media/public attention than another manufacturer who may experience just as much problem and chooses not to do a recall. Maybe JD & Powers should do customer satisfaction surveys like cars. I believe the actual results would surprise many people (even to my surprise, Buick surpassed Lexus in recent years - I now drive a Buick).
I personally experienced a KaBoom with my G30. The pistol was sent to Glock and repaired promptly. Because of this experience, do I have less confidence in my Glocks? No. I won't hesitate to buy another Glock or recommend one to a new shooter.
I also own a S&W M&P 40 that I have not experienced any problem with. Although I am a devoted fan of Glocks, I wish Glock would have incorporated some of features from M&P like the ambi slide release.
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