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Mauserguy
June 29, 2009, 09:16 PM
Remember the guy who was arrested for having a registered assault rifle in a stopped vehicle at LAX? Well, he just plead out to a misdemeanor. That's justice on the left coast.
Mauserguy





http://www.dailybreeze.com/latestnews/ci_12699209

Man Pleads No Contest in LAX Gun Case
Staff Writer
Posted: 06/26/2009 10:39:37 PM PDT


LOS ANGELES - A man who had more than a dozen guns and 1,000 rounds of ammunition in his pickup truck when he was stopped at a security checkpoint at Los Angeles International Airport pleaded no contest today to a misdemeanor weapons charge.

Phillip Joseph Dominguez, 47, of Orange, was immediately sentenced to three years probation and 80 hours community service following his plea to having a concealed firearm in a vehicle, according to Jane Robison of the District Attorney's Office.

Ten other counts, including eight felony charges, were dismissed as a result of his plea.

Dominguez was driving a gray Chevrolet Silverado when he was stopped about 11 a.m. Jan. 9 at a security checkpoint at the airport. Police said they found the firearms in the bed of his truck during a routine check, including a loaded handgun, a loaded musket and two semi-automatic rifles.

Dominguez later told the Orange County Register that he was picking someone up at the airport that day and going to a shooting range. CNS-06-26-2009 16:13

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.38 Special
June 29, 2009, 09:19 PM
He broke several laws. They are not very good laws, but they are laws, and the gun owner is obliged to be familiar with them.

What do you think should have happened in this case?

deadin
June 29, 2009, 09:29 PM
I didn't know you could get 3 years on a misdemeanor.:eek:

Mauserguy
June 29, 2009, 09:49 PM
"What do you think should have happened in this case?"

Well, I don't know, but the law that he broke, as I understand the case, is very poorly written and is open to interpretation. Given the risks involved, Dominguez probably made a good deal, but a good deal isn't necessarily just.

Can you honestly state that you haven't broken any bizarre laws?
Mauserguy

D94R
June 29, 2009, 09:59 PM
I didn't know you could get 3 years on a misdemeanor.

I'm sure that length of time is in light of the 8 felony charges he plead out from.

.38 Special
June 29, 2009, 10:01 PM
"What do you think should have happened in this case?"

Well, I don't know, but the law that he broke, as I understand the case, is very poorly written and is open to interpretation. Given the risks involved, Dominguez probably made a good deal, but a good deal isn't necessarily just.

Can you honestly state that you haven't broken any bizarre laws?
Mauserguy

Having a loaded gun in your car is a clear violation of a clear law, in this state. Again, I don't think it's a good law, but what I think doesn't matter much to the folks making the laws.

I personally think the guy is most likely guilty of just plain dumb. Filling your car up with guns and "assault rifles" -- some of them loaded -- and then trying to drive through an airport checkpoint in one of the most left-wing cities in America... There was a serious breakdown in critical thinking skills here.

Mauserguy
June 29, 2009, 10:13 PM
38 Special,
I agree that the guy did something very dumb, but I don't believe it was having a loaded gun. As I recall, the primary offense was stopping his car while transporting a registered assault rifle. I don't believe it had anything to do with a loaded gun.

Apparently, you are allowed to transport a registered assault rifle to the range, but you are not allowed to stop someplace, such as an airport to pick up you buddy. I guess stopping you car makes it a violation. It seems kind of petty to me.
Mauserguy

Quiet
June 29, 2009, 10:21 PM
I didn't know you could get 3 years on a misdemeanor.
It's three years of probation, not jail/prison time.

Oro
June 29, 2009, 11:22 PM
I didn't know you could get 3 years on a misdemeanor.

As quiet said, it's probation, not jail time. The difference between a misdemeanor and a felony is generally less than or more than one year of potential sentenced pokey time. Probation is another matter.

CWL
June 29, 2009, 11:56 PM
You can get arrested for anything, but it is only what you get charged with that is important. If you get caught carrying concealed w/o permit in CA, that is only a misdemeanor -if it is your first offense.

The poor sap was caught "carrying" loaded firearms, so he had to face the consequences.
(what is the deal with a loaded musket?)

Old Fuff
June 30, 2009, 12:42 AM
There was a serious breakdown in critical thinking skills here.

The largest mistake being in California in the first place. :banghead:

cane
June 30, 2009, 04:22 PM
Let's say I'm flying out of LAX after attending a high power rifle match somewhere in the state. I have my cased national match M1A in the trunk of my car. At a "security check point" and they find it, would I be arrested? How do people get firearms up to the ticket counter so they can accompany you on the flight?

MovedWest
June 30, 2009, 06:14 PM
I've flown through San Jose and Nashville airports with firearms before. They were in a locked steel case (ironically with ammunition for the same) and I checked them with my bags. They opened the case at the check-in desk, verified all the rules were obeyed (arms unloaded, ammo in original container, etc.), stuck a slip of paper in it, and asked me to lock it back up so it could be loaded in with the rest of the cargo.

When I picked the case up however I mentioned to my wife how weird it felt to have firearms and ammo for them while walking through an airport terminal. Aside from that I told everyone who asked that it was a banjo - they all lost interest at that point.

What the LA DA did was throw everything at Phil he could. Whatever didn't stick he put on the table as a bargaining chip that they would dismiss if he fessed up to what really would stick. I wish Phil had gone before the judge on this one. I think he would've made out better, but I wasn't in his shoes.

-MW

.38 Special
June 30, 2009, 08:42 PM
The largest mistake being in California in the first place.

Meh. I've spent some time in Arizona and it sucked. I put up with California's stupid gun laws because California contains some of the most beautiful and wild country in the world. And so far I haven't been arrested, mostly because I don't do silly things like bringing truckloads of loaded assault rifles through checkpoints at international airports.

.38 Special
June 30, 2009, 08:46 PM
Let's say I'm flying out of LAX after attending a high power rifle match somewhere in the state. I have my cased national match M1A in the trunk of my car. At a "security check point" and they find it, would I be arrested? How do people get firearms up to the ticket counter so they can accompany you on the flight?

I'm pretty sure that you broke the law by bringing that gun into the sate in the first place. It's a deadly "assault rifle" here.

Legal guns just need to be in a locked case (the trunk counts, but technically you have to transport the gun to and from the trunk in a locked case, unless on private property) and separate from the ammo.

Oyeboten
June 30, 2009, 09:35 PM
It's very enouraging that the Court behaved honorably in prosecuting the transgression in this matter, and proceeding on the basis of common sense and fair play, rather than hyping and drama-queen-whoreing the 'Letter' of the 'Law'.


Even better, would have been a simple and polite verbal chastisement-admonishment from an Assistant DA, parting on a Handshake, and no prosecution...but, as it is, it's definitely better than being worse.

razorback2003
June 30, 2009, 10:09 PM
That is pretty wild that the guy got so many felony charges for having loaded firearms in his vehicle, but I do understand that is the law in California. It appears he did not have a concealed handgun license to possess one loaded or concealed in his vehicle or on him. I am curious what kind of fine he got? I at times go through airport property with a loaded handgun in my car or park, but I do have a Tennessee handgun carry permit. It would be a tragedy that the guy got a FELONY CONVICTION out of the whole deal. Did the county/state keep his firearms to be auctioned or will he get them back after his probation time is up? I am glad that some sense of sanity in that he got a misdemeanor and probation. If he had a license for the loaded handgun in the car, that would have helped a lot. Some police dept is probably enjoying the guy's toys right now!

Librarian
July 1, 2009, 12:48 AM
Some police dept is probably enjoying the guy's toys right now!
Actually, he got his guns back.

See his post at Calguns (http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=198633).

glockman19
July 1, 2009, 01:09 AM
In California it is a Misdemenor if you DO NOT have a CCW and are carrying a loaded concealed weapon, do not meet the statutory definition of a gang banger and the gun is registered to you. Otherwise it's a Felony. CA is truly screwed up...Loaded gun No CCW Misdemenor...Fixed blade knife concealed is a Felony...go figure.

Needless to say he wsa very lucky and the Law Firm did a Great Job.

Old Fuff
July 1, 2009, 02:45 AM
I've spent some time in Arizona and it sucked.

Sure... :)

As you say, "California contains some of the most beautiful and wild country in the world," but Arizona has much of the same. What we don't have is a socialist legislature, a 34 (give or take) billion dollar budget gap, and a state government that's about to become nonfunctional. What we do have is the freedom to buy and use most any kind of firearm we want without having to lick some official's boots. I'll keep what I've got, and you can have that little piece of wild country on your side of the line. I just hope that when the dust settles you can still afford it. :uhoh:

AZ_Rebel
July 1, 2009, 11:52 PM
Laws are laws and Elections Have Consequences (as some are finding out!)

Meh. I've spent some time in Arizona and it sucked.
You sir, obviously have different priorities and don't have a clue what you are talking about when you compare California to Arizona.

.38 Special
July 2, 2009, 01:53 AM
Agreed that I have different priorities. As for the "don't have a clue" part, it's interesting that folks take it personally when their state gets bashed. There's a clue in there, though I doubt anyone's going to take it.

I like guns. Arizona is a much better place than California for that. I also like diving, bicycling, motorcycling, mountaineering, skiing, beautiful scenery, and pleasant weather. California is better than Arizona for all of those things. Like you said, "priorities".

Of course, if my hobbies included sweating, getting lost in the desert, and pretending that a big hole in the ground is a worthwhile destination, then the pendulum might swing back in favor of AZ. :neener:

HK G3
July 2, 2009, 01:56 AM
Stories like these make me so happy I live in AZ where we still have freedoms. :)

paintballdude902
July 2, 2009, 02:00 AM
hmmmm i bet that musket had a 30 round mag:scrutiny:


and i wonder if it was one of them big .50s

Quiet
July 2, 2009, 06:37 AM
People in other states need to support pro-gun groups in CA.
Instead of not contributing to the fight and telling people to just move to a friendlier state.
The reason why is because all the anti-gun stuff that gets passed in CA, eventually trickles over to other states.

There's a reason why people are starting to call Southern Nevada, SoCal East.

paul
July 2, 2009, 12:45 PM
Wow...
that's a lot of posts without a Texas perspective!:neener:

I was stopped at Hobby airport, driving into the short-term parking garage.
This was shortly after that 9/11 event...
The combo of border patrol, nat guard, and local LEO had me open the trunk, which contained a locked and loaded AR, several handguns, and probably 1500 rnds of assorted ammo...
They did not say a word, waved me on...:D
Weird, that.
p

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