Hornady Powder Measure case Expander
roc1
July 2, 2009, 07:25 AM
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I asked the question if anyone has used the newer powder measure setup compared to the old one and did not get a response. I am curious to know if the new style that expands the case as well as drops powder works ok know? I knew it had some problems but was curious if they have been worked out?
Thanks for the help
roc1
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mongoose33
July 2, 2009, 09:38 AM
I was looking into getting the Hornady PTXs as I want to use the RCBS lockout die and need to free up a station, but my online research wasn't all that encouraging. For some people the Hornady PTXs work well, others have a terrible time with them.
But then I ran across this:
http://www.lnlptx.com/
I've read rave reviews of it online, so I ordered one, probably will arrive Monday.
Yeah, it's pricier, but the price included shipping and it can be used for all calibers.
I'll report when I've had a chance to use it.
Randy1911
July 2, 2009, 09:44 AM
I bought the Hornady PTX and was not happy with them. They barely belled enough for a jacketed bullet and no where near enough for lead. If you are planning on loading lead, I do not recommend them. I load about 99% lead. Like you I was wanting to free up a station so I could seat and crimp seperately.
roc1
July 2, 2009, 05:40 PM
I will load mostly lead by far. I would like to know does your measure with the short vertical spring work good with no hangups? my old style is starting to hang at the top.I rebuilt it with parts Hornady sent but am thinking about upgrading to newer style.Just would like input from someone that owns one.
Thanks
roc1
benzuncle
July 2, 2009, 07:03 PM
The reviews I read on Midway when contemplating the purchase of a Hornady PTX turned me away from the idea of trying one.
D. Manley
July 2, 2009, 08:48 PM
For anyone having trouble with the Hornady LNL PTX expander (particularly, those shooting lead), I've seen nothing but glowing reports on THIS (http://www.lnlptx.com/) as the solution.
wild willy
July 2, 2009, 08:55 PM
I have the lnlptx works fine and usable for calibers that hornady doesn't make a ptx for
pinkymingeo
July 3, 2009, 05:29 AM
I've never had any trouble with Hornady PTE's (except 41mag - they don't make one). If you use a separate quick-change for each caliber, and get it adjusted correctly, they do just fine. I got a PTX just to try it. For me it's no better, and no worse, than Hornady. Well, it looks better. And, since one size fits all, it's more economical if you load several calibers.
jbrown13
July 3, 2009, 05:28 PM
I will load mostly lead by far. I would like to know does your measure with the short vertical spring work good with no hangups? my old style is starting to hang at the top.I rebuilt it with parts Hornady sent but am thinking about upgrading to newer style.Just would like input from someone that owns one.
Thanks
roc1
The newer measure works good as far as dropping accurate amounts of powder, but I never could get the Hornady PTX's to work to my satisfaction. I was trying to get them to work on jacketed bullets and I would think lead would be more difficult. I bought aftermarket expander (www.lnlptx.com) and it worked as advertised and was easy to set up. I would suggest the lnlptx for lead bullets.
Jeff
roc1
July 4, 2009, 12:13 PM
Thanks for the help I think I will upgrade my measure.I might try the after market expanders in the future.I just upgraded to the new style EZ eject system so my old press has all the new gadgets except the new case activated powder drop.
roc1
Joemyxplyx
July 8, 2009, 12:20 AM
I went to the web site to buy one of the universal PTX's. Unfortunately, the site is gone. The guy seems to have gone out of business. Dang, I was just a couple of days late in ordering.
Otto
July 8, 2009, 12:39 AM
I went to the web site to buy one of the universal PTX's. Unfortunately, the site is gone. The guy seems to have gone out of business.
Wrong. Dan's site is down not gone and he's still in business.
bobotech
July 8, 2009, 12:50 AM
Anyone have details of this alternate PTX? I have been contemplating buying the new style but if Dan's is better, I would like to see some info.
mongoose33
July 8, 2009, 09:12 AM
Got mine Monday, but haven't had a chance to try it out. Went to the site to print off the instructions/pics and found the site to be down.
He must not have paid is ISP bill. :)
jbrown13
July 8, 2009, 07:07 PM
Anyone have details of this alternate PTX? I have been contemplating buying the new style but if Dan's is better, I would like to see some info.
I have one and have used it to my satisfaction. I could not make the Hornady PTXs work, never could get enough flare to keep jacketed bullets from tipping over. I did not have that problem with the lnlptx unit. It is easy to over-flare with the lnlptx unit though. What other details do you want?
Jeff
D. Manley
July 8, 2009, 09:19 PM
lnlptx has gone missing
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I went to the web site to buy one of the universal PTX's. Unfortunately, the site is gone. The guy seems to have gone out of business. Dang, I was just a couple of days late in ordering.
FWIW, there are some changes in the works on the website. The new site should be up and running very soon pending completion by the webmaster.
Randy1911
July 8, 2009, 10:36 PM
Dan
Can you take a order by e-mail or PM? Or maybe a phone call. Let us know.
roc1
July 9, 2009, 10:19 AM
Jbrown13 does the new measure crush cases?Hornady tech said it a stouter spring causing some problems? Just curious to know from people owning one. I would like ideas as does it ever stick at top?
Thanks
roc1
jbrown13
July 9, 2009, 01:06 PM
Jbrown13 does the new measure crush cases?Hornady tech said it a stouter spring causing some problems? Just curious to know from people owning one. I would like ideas as does it ever stick at top?
Thanks
roc1
The only cases I have crushed with the Hornady powder measure were when I was trying to adjust the Hornady PTXs. I have never crushed a case with the powder measure using the standard (non PTX) components, nor with the lnlptx. I'm not sure what you mean by "stick at the top", but I have not experienced anything that I would call "sticking". The only problem I have experienced is that the LnL bushing tends to work loose and when it is loose the case lifts the whole powder measure and does not drop a powder charge. I handled this problem by wrapping a piece of teflon pipe thread tape around the shank of the bushing and periodically reaching up and twisting the powder measure to make sure the bushing is seated properly. I look into every case to make sure I have the approximate amount of powder because if the bushing does work loose and you don't catch it you end up with "squibs".
Jeff
roc1
July 9, 2009, 09:01 PM
Mine was hanging at top of stroke .I just rebuilt it with new linkages.I just thoght the newer style might have less of a chance of hanging at the top.Mine does have over 30,000 rounds through it so it can be expected to have wear.
Thanks
roc1
barbarian
July 9, 2009, 10:55 PM
roc1 - A year or so back I upgraded to the new vertical spring type linkage (Hornady said the PTX does not work with the old linkage) and initially had problems with the rotor sticking at top of stroke. I ended up sending the entire powder measure back to Hornady - I think they sent an entire new powder drop. The 'new' powder drop has worked perfectly since day one. They were very helpful - you might give them a call if you haven't already. I've had good luck with Bob and Doug at Hornady. Best of luck.
Barbarian
roc1
July 10, 2009, 09:58 AM
Thanks Barbarian I did talk to Bob he sent me the new parts. He said he thought the old one worked as well as the new one.
roc1
D. Manley
July 10, 2009, 11:56 PM
For anyone needing help or information on the universal powder funnel for the LNL, Dan's new site is up. You can reach them or purchase at POWDERFUNNELS.COM (http://www.powderfunnels.com/).
bobotech
July 11, 2009, 12:12 AM
I really would like to know if Dan's product will work with the older style powder measure like mine which has the angled spring.
Or do I just need to buy the short spring and attachment point?
Joemyxplyx
July 11, 2009, 07:54 AM
For anyone needing help or information on the universal powder funnel for the LNL, Dan's new site is up. You can reach them or purchase at POWDERFUNNELS.COM.
I just went there and ordered the lnlptx. Good job getting the new site up and running.
D. Manley
July 11, 2009, 03:46 PM
I really would like to know if Dan's product will work with the older style powder measure like mine which has the angled spring.
Or do I just need to buy the short spring and attachment point?
I'd give them a call or email...contact information is on the site. I don't use the LNL but I can tell you that the universal funnel is merely intended to replace the Hornady OEM PTX.
WV_Vizsla
July 15, 2009, 08:50 PM
I have both Hornady and the new LNLPTX.
The Hornady worked fine for me in 9mm and 45 loading Berry and rainier plated. I am adding a RCBS bullet feeder and needed more case flare. I think RCBS manual calls for .080 flare for it to hold bullet. Lots more than normal, seems excessive. LNLPTX will flare to any width including side split.
sinjin_70
October 26, 2009, 02:16 PM
I know I'm posting a bit late to this thread, but I thought I would add what I have learned about the Hornady PTX, for the sake of those who find this thread while researching the product.
I have the Hornady PTX for my LNL-AP. I immediately had problems with it. To be clear, the part I have has no ability to flare the case, whatsoever. The end that goes into the case is rounded on the end, and is .352in in diameter from where the rounded part ends to the first 90 degree step, where the case mouth stops. This may adjust the inside of the case to a good diameter for gripping the seated bullet, but provides no assistance when seating the bullet. If a jacketed or plated bullet with a rounded or bevelled bottom is being seated, this may present no problem whatsoever, but I, unfortunately, am not using such bullets. I'm using .356in lead bullets and .355in flat bottomed, jacketed hollow points. The lead bullet gets its lube grooves shaved off and the jacketed bullet cuts a narrow notch out of the side of the case about every other time.
On a more positive note, I love my press. It's built like a tank. With the exception of an occasional hang-up of the priming system, which may be operator induced (not sure yet), I have discovered no other flaws. I have the part sold at PowderFunnels.com on order, which, by all accounts, will solve my flaring problem handily. Also, the powder-through flaring is only important if you want to use both a taper crimp die and the powder cop die. If either of those isn't important to you, then there are enough stations to install the flaring die that came with your die set, which is what I'm using for now.
If anyone from Hornady reads this post, please modify this part so that it is capable of flaring the case. It is of no use to me, in its current form.
Regards
UltimateReloader
October 26, 2009, 04:02 PM
I've used the PTX expander in combination with the powder cop die for 45ACP, and it worked, but did not produce a whole lot of flare.
If you're interested in seeing it in use (both the PTX expander, and the powder cop die) see the HD videos of loading 45ACP on the Lock-N-Load AP Progressive here:
http://ultimatereloader.com/?p=453
http://ultimatereloader.com/?p=456
Walkalong
October 26, 2009, 07:08 PM
Just use your regular expander that came with the die set in station 2 right before it gets to the powder measure in station 3. Problem solved, and you don't have to worry about continually adjusted the amount of bell.
WV_Vizsla
October 27, 2009, 10:26 AM
I have now used the powder funnel aftermarket part for about 1K rounds in 9 & 45. I works as advertised. But can really overflare if set wrong. I needed the extra flare for the RCBS bullet feeder. The H ptx was fine for me in 9mm w/ plated Rainiers.
rfwobbly
October 27, 2009, 10:16 PM
We took Sinjin's stock Hornady powder drop/ expander and put it in a lathe. Following the pattern of the same part from a Dillon powder drop, I cut a taper into the Hornady part just above the .352 diameter section, effectively removing the square shoulder. From all reports, the modification works beautifully.
Now, like the Dillon, Sinjin can easily dial in any size case mouth belling he desires by simply raising or lowering the stock Hornady powder drop die to determine how far the case is pushed up over the wedge section.
Anybody interested in a similar mod can contact me by PM.
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