WWII Standard Issue Collection?


July 2, 2009, 01:22 PM
I was thinking about some WWII firearms that I have and I wanted to complete somewhat of a standard issue collection for Axis and Allied forces.

Here is what I have, all are military issues:

-Mauser K98
-Walther P38
-Browning (FN) M-1922

-Arisaka w/bipod, bayonet and long range sights
-Arisaka carbine
-Nambu type 14

Soviet Union:
-Mosin Nagant M44

USA: Nothing... :(

I could use some help with filling up some spaces, I am just thinking the main rifle/carbine of each power and the main pistol. This would kind of be a lifetime quest as I could see some of the US models being very expensive, but It seems like a fun quest.


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July 2, 2009, 01:26 PM
Tokarev and/or Nagant for the USSR. Maybe a 91/30, too?

Also, what about Italy? You should be able to find a Carcano pretty easily.

And the UK...Enfield and a Webley revolver would be pretty nice!

July 2, 2009, 01:56 PM
I would like to add a M1 and a Mosin Nagant 91/30 to my collection and I would be satisfied for a short while.

Ohio Gun Guy
July 2, 2009, 02:05 PM
The U.S. stuff is the most expensive. I have the same problem. My Dad and brother have that covered......if I can talk them out of a Springfield 1903 or a M1 Garand & Carbine. ;)

July 2, 2009, 02:06 PM
Those were the 2 that I was most monetarily worried about! haha

July 2, 2009, 02:13 PM
For the US. I'd look for an M1 Garand or a Springfield 03A3,M1 Carbine and a Mil-Spec1911.

Britain: The .38cal Webley MK-IV was the main handgun favored by the Britsh troops throughout WWII.

Germany/Austria: The Steyr M1895s carbines (http://tiny.cc/Steyr1895)are plentiful and cheap right now. J&G has them for $79 and all of the ones I've seen are in immaculate condition.

Italy: check out Empire Arms (http://www.empirearms.com/)for a good deal on a Carcano. They run in the $200-$400 range from what I've seen.

Russia: You could get a Mosin 91/30 (http://www.jgsales.com/product_info.php/rifles/russian/p/mosin-nagant-91-30-hex-receiver-rifle%2C-standard-grade%2C-7-62x54r-caliber-/cPath/209_261/products_id/1524) (J&G $79) or M28 for the infantry version of the rifle. The M44 carbine was used late in the war. If you happen across an M38 (http://www.empirearms.com/) I'd grab it. You basically have two choices for handguns. The Russian / Romanian TT-33 (http://www.jgsales.com/product_info.php/handguns/russian-nagant/p/russian-1895-nagant-revolver%2C-in-7-62-nagant-caliber-/cPath/16_154/products_id/1059)was used throughout the war and replaced the Nagant Revolver. The TT-33s go for around $199 right now and there are some great specimens available with an Arsenal refinish. The Nagant Revolvers are cheap right now as well. These can be had at J&G for $79 as well.
http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc81/jbabbler/milsurplus/3RsnNagant762RevolverR-GunImport.jpg http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc81/jbabbler/milsurplus/TOK-TT33-D.jpg http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc81/jbabbler/milsurplus/800px-Webley-Mk-IV-p1030100.jpg

July 2, 2009, 03:08 PM
I Would look into getting an Enfield too add to that collection. There are still some nice ones out there. I know this is more WW1 but if you see a American 1917 Enfield i would get that too:)

July 2, 2009, 03:51 PM
dude- what about a 1911 colt, remington rand, ithica, singer, union switch and signal

dogtown tom
July 2, 2009, 04:29 PM
Browning Hi Power:

FN's made in occupied Belgium for the Nazi's.
Inglis made in Canada for the Allies.

July 2, 2009, 05:05 PM
How could anybody omit the Luger P08 from this collection?

July 2, 2009, 05:15 PM
You'll need one of these. Lee Enfield No4 Mk1 built 1941 - you can still find the original gun-slips as well.
or better still ... buy two
or if you want an older Enfield get a SMLE

July 2, 2009, 06:46 PM
You also need a Thompson, MP40, STG44, BAR, Bren, Lewis, Sten, and Ppsh41. If you don't have room for those I can hold onto them for you :D
Unfortunately it does seem like the US weapons are going to be costly, people want a lot for original condition 03A3 springfields and garands. You could probably pick up a 1911 without breaking the bank though. Not sure how much CMP is charging for M1 Carbines and Garands these days.

July 2, 2009, 07:58 PM
In all likelyhood, this will be the most expensive one of the whole lot. It's sort of the Holy Grain for WWII rifles and in the states they fetch top dollar. I have heard that they are rather common in Bavaria but not so much here.


July 2, 2009, 07:59 PM
I was trying to stay away from those

Thompson, MP40, STG44, BAR, Bren, Lewis, Sten, and Ppsh41

They are awesome though.

July 2, 2009, 08:09 PM
u need a luger
1911 colt
m1 garand
m1 carbine
no1mk3 enfield
no4 mk1 enfield
a webly revoler
91/30 mosin

and then there are some more odd and ends that will be alot more
like a good condition 03a3 springfield, what ever hitlers semi auto rifle was

July 2, 2009, 08:41 PM
The real fun comes when you get into the HISTORY of WWII, and you come to realize why it's called a WORLD war.....When you throw in all the secondary countries that were involved in it, you come up with something like 65-70 different nations, and most of them had their own particular battle rifle, and some countries had multiple different models. The USA alone had FOUR different battle rifles (the M1 Garand and its variations, the 1903 Springfield and ITS variations (A3, A4), the M1941 Johnson, and the M1917 (in secondary and training service)). I've heard that the Germans had a total of ELEVEN.....The Russians had 7 or 8, depending on how you count them.

It's an uphill battle to get 'em all, but it'll be a fun one!

July 3, 2009, 12:29 PM

Walther PPK.
Walther PP.
Walther Model 2.
Walther Model 4.
Walther Model 8.
Walther Model 9.

July 3, 2009, 12:53 PM
Drew Not sure how much CMP is charging for M1 Carbines and Garands these days.

I'd jump all over this. This will be your best bet except some might not have been issued during the war.

I was able to pick up a nice Carbine made by US Postal Meter, but my Garand was made in the 50's. (neither from CMP)

July 3, 2009, 01:28 PM
CMP will usually honor requests for a broad serial number range...if you ask for a wartime Garand, they'll often oblige.

July 3, 2009, 01:37 PM

M1 carbine

Arisaka Type 99


Lee Enfield

Mosin 91/30


That is the basic rifles for a basic collection

unfortunately handguns are even pricier sometimes,which is why I don't have a Luger or real M1911a1 yet.I really don't understand why a run of the mill M1911 .45 is $1500 these days.

July 3, 2009, 10:09 PM
Wonder what happened to all those .45s left in Vietnam?

July 3, 2009, 10:32 PM
CMP will usually honor requests for a broad serial number range...if you ask for a wartime Garand, they'll often oblige

The problem with that is they are about out of WWII serial numbers in SG anyway.

July 3, 2009, 10:37 PM
Don't forget French weapons! Like a Lebel, Berthier or a MAS-36 for the rifle and a sleek M1935 pistol with its oddball cartridge!

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July 4, 2009, 08:35 AM
Others to add to the list:
Lithgow No1 MKIII* (Australian issue throughout the war)
S&W Victory Model in .38 special (issued by the US).
S&W British Service Revolver in .38 S&W (issued by the British Commonwealth)
Enfield No.2 MKI issued by the British
Longbranch No 4 Mk1* issued by the Canadians
Inglis Hi Power issued by the Canadians

July 4, 2009, 11:33 PM
If you're collecting WW2 weapons as part of a historical collection, you've got to get a Lithgow made No1 Mk3*.

The first major defeats suffered by both German and Japanese forces during WW2 were handed out by men carrying Lithgows.

July 5, 2009, 09:57 AM
A good start;

M1903A3, Remington; 8/43
M1 Carbine, Inland; 11/42
M1 Garand, Springfield; 6/42

July 5, 2009, 01:06 PM
you need a M39! the Finns captured Soviet 91/30's, took the bolts and receivers, and assembled a rifle that could SHOOT!

M39's are like an accurized 91/30, built to much higher specs. I you are not sure how to classify Finland, remember the USSR was originally an AXIS ALLY!

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