Indiana: "Fortified for a fight for life"


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cuchulainn
October 22, 2003, 09:51 AM
from the Indianapolis Star

http://www.indystar.com/print/articles/8/085349-1108-021.htmlDan Carpenter
Fortified for a fight for life

October 22, 2003

The irrepressible Michael Moore's oration at Butler University last week was wide-ranging in every possible sense of the term, but no topic struck his local audience more deeply than that of guns.

The firebrand who torched Oscar night with his anti-Bush acceptance speech for "Bowling for Columbine" was a shot in the arm for all three sponsors of the Clowes Hall pep rally -- Butler's Visiting Writers Series; the Plowshares Collaborative of Earlham, Goshen and Manchester colleges; and Hoosiers Concerned About Gun Violence.

For the last group in particular, he raised morale as well as profile.

"The beauty of Michael Moore is, he gets people talking," said Kathleen George, president of Hoosiers Concerned. "As you know, guns are a very polarizing issue. That's public discourse at an end."

She and her allies found that out first hand a few years ago when they started trying to figure out what could have been done to save Michael and Linda Holmes.

The couple were Kathy George's friends and fellow parishioners at St. Thomas Aquinas Catholic Church. They were at home with their two youngest children on the evening of Aug. 25, 1992, when their 18-year-old adopted son, Steven, walked in and shot them to death with a rifle. It was far from the only firearm he owned, and legally he could buy the weapons cash-and-carry at any gun store because he was over 17.

Gun deaths and gun availability seemed a connection the community should make, so an organization was born. The founders were not prepared for the reception. Wherever they went, the National Rifle Association followed. The worst meeting for Kathy George was at St. Thomas.

"In the sanctuary where the double funeral was held, to have NRA folks shouting at us . . . One guy pulled out a Bible and said Jesus wanted us to have guns. I thought 'What's the use? We may as well all get assault weapons and have at it.'

"But we have grown stronger since then. The national groups have helped. We have to get stronger still -- and more vocal."

Michael Moore made that point very vocally: Liberals are too nice for the nation's good. But if they're being out-yelled and outspent by the other side, they're not necessarily being outworked.

Hoosiers Concerned, along with the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence and kindred groups, has been battling all summer against federal legislation that would give the gun industry, uniquely in American business, immunity from legal liability for lethal misuse of its products by their purchasers. In other words, gun makers and sellers would be liberated from many lawsuits that have been filed around the nation, asking judges and juries to determine whether they could have done more to keep their goods out of the wrong hands.

The lawsuits have had mixed results. One that's pending was filed by the city of Gary, whose mayor, Scott King, will address the annual meeting of Hoosiers Concerned at 10 a.m. Nov. 8 at St. Thomas, 4600 N. Illinois St.

Overall, it has been a war of attrition at the federal, state and city levels, George says. But Moore's heartily received and well-publicized appearance was a flashy sign of quiet progress as she sees it.

"As the issues come out and as the lawsuits reach the discovery stage, we see changes in thinking. Meeting after meeting, we are gaining support."

Carpenter is Star op-ed columnist. Contact him at 1-317-444-6172 or via e-mail at dan.carpenter@indystar.com .

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El Tejon
October 22, 2003, 10:12 AM
More precatory scribbling from the one-man socialist movement of Circle City, Dan Carpenter.:rolleyes:

MPFreeman
October 22, 2003, 10:19 AM
ARRRRGGGHHH...

I didn't know Mr. Moore was going to be at Butler. I wish I would have been there to see and hear him demogog the proletariat. rats.

4v50 Gary
October 22, 2003, 11:23 AM
"Liberals are too nice for the nation's good."

What? All the leftist around here in the CA are extremists and militant to boot. The conservatives are brow beatened and shoved aside. If we're talking about a national level, didn't Clinton do enough harm during the first term? :rolleyes:

emc
October 22, 2003, 02:28 PM
As someone who has occasionally made the mistake of actually reading the drivel masquerading as a column written by Carpenter, I would have to second what El-T has said, and to give El-T credit for being altogether too kind in his description. If it's left-wing and loony, then Carpenter is sure to espouse it. :barf:

emc

glocksman
October 23, 2003, 02:15 AM
If that's the typical thinking up in Indy, us down here in southern Indiana might have to secede and join Kentucky. :fire: ;)

Heck, Kentucky's roads are better than ours anyway. :neener:

emc
October 23, 2003, 11:07 AM
No, not typical thinking, but more a reflection of the liberal bent that certain of the colleges and universities have. With the exception of Marion county, the greater Indianapolis metro area is pretty solidly Republican. In fact, in some races, the Dems don't even bother to run a candidate. However, this has now caused some Dems to switch parties, in order to run for office. Unfortunately, they don't necessarily change their views when doing so. :fire:

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