Fairfield, AL Police Chief says business owners should own a gun


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jrou111
July 3, 2009, 11:10 PM
http://www.myfoxal.com/global/category.asp?c=151146&clipId=&topVideoCatNo=151721&topVideoCatNoB=169550&topVideoCatNoC=130699&topVideoCatNoD=169551&topVideoCatNoE=104817&autoStart=true&topVideoCatNo=default&clipId=3926504

Basically a jewelry store owner was attacked without warning and robbed, and the police chief interviewed supports shop owners defending themselves.

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jrou111
July 3, 2009, 11:15 PM
Also there's a poll on the main page: http://www.myfoxal.com

Should store owners arm themselves with guns?

Thank you for participating in our poll. Here are the results so far:

Yes - No
94 - 6

209
July 3, 2009, 11:24 PM
Oops! That's probably one Chief that won't be asked to join the International Assoc of Police Chiefs. :p

Monkeyleg
July 3, 2009, 11:27 PM
This really helps me decide which southern state my wife and I will be moving to next year. We were leaning heavily toward AL, but this is the topper.

jimmyraythomason
July 3, 2009, 11:41 PM
I just voted on the poll. We are winning 95%-yes to 5% no.

jrou111
July 4, 2009, 12:08 AM
This really helps me decide which southern state my wife and I will be moving to next year. We were leaning heavily toward AL, but this is the topper

Well it's kind of suprising because Fairfield is a VERY low income black community with alot of crime (Birmingham has a LOT of crime in the city), and most of the other similar areas they are very anti.

BTW if you do move to Bama you gotta root for the tide, and you gotta visit Ala Dan at Simmons Sporting goods in Bessemer, AL. :D

rmodel65
July 4, 2009, 05:43 AM
every city should be like Kennesaw Georgia with a mandatory gun ownership law

Souris
July 4, 2009, 09:12 AM
This really helps me decide which southern state my wife and I will be moving to next year. We were leaning heavily toward AL, but this is the topper.
Be aware that while there are some progun attitudes, the state is a pretty restrictive place to CCW if you like the outdoors.
No Firearms in State parks. No Loaded firearms in Wildlife management areas(except on the range). All of the nature preserves that I am aware of state no firearms in their rules.

For a southern state AL is fairly restrictive as I understand the laws.

SCKimberFan
July 4, 2009, 10:19 AM
This really helps me decide which southern state my wife and I will be moving to next year. We were leaning heavily toward AL, but this is the topper.

Where you move to in AL has a lot to do with the crime factor. B-ham is awful, Montgomery ain't much better, Huntsville seems to be pretty good, as does Alabaster.

TN and KY seem to be better for gun owners. GA isn't bad.

jimmyraythomason
July 4, 2009, 11:23 AM
"For a southern state AL is fairly restrictive"...Hmmmm,let's see, we have open carry, pistol permits are $20 annually and may be purchased by mail(no class to take ,no fingerprints,no inteview with LE) I picked up an application from the sheriff for my 21 year old daughter,she filled it out ,mailed it in with her $20 check and received her CWP by return mail. A long gun can be carried unsecured and loaded in a vehicle, legally. WMA areas are state run hunting areas. Loaded guns during hunting seasons (NOT loaded in a vehicle or on a public road,just common hunting safety) are allowed. Target shooting on WMA areas are "range only" affairs ,again common sense. Private gun transactions are just that private,no paper work, no FFL,no records,fully legal. As far as state parks, that may well be changing soon. Yeah, it's tough on us Alabama gun owners. As far as crime areas, stay out of Birmingham and it's suburbs and rest easy.

TheFallGuy
July 4, 2009, 11:39 AM
Wait... a government official encouraging people to own firearms to protect themselves? I am pretty sure hell has frozen over causing the earth to spin off of its axis.

runrabbitrun
July 4, 2009, 11:43 AM
I've never been to LA (Lower Alabama) but would love to go.
Would NEVER got to the 'other' LA though.

Sweet home Alabama baby.
Sounds like a great place to be if you enjoy firearms.

Oh wait it's hot like Florida and has big mosquitoes like Florida too.
I'm going to hold off on my trip, for now. lol

Still, Alabama rocks and I can't complain.
I've been through Burmingham and to Dothan
Wasn't impressed with Birmingham, but Dothan seemed cool.

Good to hear a top cop make some sense too.

danprkr
July 4, 2009, 12:10 PM
Wait... a government official encouraging people to own firearms to protect themselves? I am pretty sure hell has frozen over causing the earth to spin off of its axis.

I know weird ain't it? Actually it was just such an evil suggestion that got me hooked on guns and freedom in my youth. I had a teacher from high school teach me to shoot, and even reload, but it wasn't until years later that I had graduated and was working in a convenience store at nights that a local cop wanted to know what I was carrying.

When I told him I was being a good little boy and following the company's rules he laughed at me. Asked me why they gave me a smock that could cover a grenade launcher for a uniform if they really didn't want me carrying, and offered to help me get something. I promptly traded for a Smith 659, and decided that if I was going to carry in public I'd better know how to use it. So, I started going to the range etc, and now look at me. I'm a full fledged gunaholic, and it's all some cops fault.:evil:

He was actually a cool guy, on my nights off I'd ride with him on patrol. He couldn't allow me to carry in his car, but he did let me know where his back up was. I think he liked it when I rode with him because those nights were invariably quiet. I mean NOTHING would happen. He'd have to play jokes on me to keep me/us awake.:p

So, I don't think the earth has stopped spinning on it's axis, but to catch a public servant saying on TV that citizens should take responsibility for their safety probably means that it has slowed down considerably.


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SCKimberFan
July 4, 2009, 01:18 PM
Dothan is a neat place. I also like Eufala with all of its Victorian houses. I really like all the 4 lanes with 65 mph speed limits. :)

rmodel65
July 4, 2009, 02:48 PM
Where you move to in AL has a lot to do with the crime factor. B-ham is awful, Montgomery ain't much better, Huntsville seems to be pretty good, as does Alabaster.

TN and KY seem to be better for gun owners. GA isn't bad.



:scrutiny: umm GA is very bad for gun owners we have tons and tons of off limits places because of left over racial laws on the books this is a very interesting article: http://www.georgiacarry.org/cms/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/racist-roots-of-ga-gun-laws.pdf

jakemccoy
July 4, 2009, 03:08 PM
I thank you for sharing the video. I added it to my Youtube channel.

Monkeyleg
July 4, 2009, 06:37 PM
Huntsville is the area we're looking at in AL, and from what I've learned, the powers-that-be seem to be gun-friendly.

jrou111
July 5, 2009, 10:53 PM
Monkeyleg, if you're going to move to the Huntsville area, Limestone county is where it's at! :D

I just shot at a friend's house up there today. I love it up there, Huntsville is more family oriented and more rural than Birmingham (duh). It's a great place to live.

Restorer
July 5, 2009, 11:16 PM
You'll like Huntsville. I live on Guntersville Lake (about 35 miles southeast of Huntsville),one of the best bass lakes in the country, as well as one of the prettiest places. HSV has a great gun store (Larry's) and several good outdoor ranges. If you're into training courses, Tiger Mckee has Shootrite Academy on the lake, really a world-class outfit. It's affiliated with Thunder Ranch.
http://www.shootrite.org/
Good luck, and you will have a choice...you could pull for Auburn.

TenDriver
July 6, 2009, 12:22 AM
Lived in the Huntsville area my whole life. Good place to live, Larry's has already been mentioned. He also has an indoor range there (22 rifle, any pistol up to 44 mag). Good minor league baseball, hockey and arena football. Very nice outdoor range on Swan Creek WMA, about a 30 min drive from Huntsville.

Only downside to concealed carry is getting a permit is taking forever in Madison County. Almost 8 weeks for mine, and I had one years before. Good place to live, houses running about $100 a square foot in the mid to high priced neighborhoods these days.

Monkeyleg
July 6, 2009, 05:52 PM
It was a house I saw in Decatur that initially got us interested in the Huntsville area, but I was told that I'd probably need to keep all my guns loaded if we lived in Decatur.

Starcheck55
July 6, 2009, 06:09 PM
It was a house I saw in Decatur that initially got us interested in the Huntsville area, but I was told that I'd probably need to keep all my guns loaded if we lived in Decatur.

you live in Decatur or ISP of Atlanta, for goodness sakes keep your guns locked up on your person.

Tommygunn
July 6, 2009, 07:34 PM
Hey! Decatur isn't that bad! Come on .....:rolleyes:

TenDriver
July 7, 2009, 06:03 PM
Yeah, no worries with Decatur.

Monkeyleg
July 7, 2009, 06:33 PM
Now I don't know who to believe. We'll be heading down there next month to check the area out, so I can take a look at Decatur first-hand. (Or maybe one hand on the .45 ;) ).

Ala Dan
July 7, 2009, 07:40 PM
I've known Pat (Chief Mardis) for year's; he is one of the good guy's of
crime fighting~! ;)

TexasRifleman
July 7, 2009, 08:02 PM
Be sure to send the guy an email of support and thanks.

We're quick to beat on them when they cross us, be sure to let this one know he's appreciated.

Anyone have good contact info?

cambeul41
July 7, 2009, 08:03 PM
Try this and related pages http://www.bestplaces.net/crime/

CRKToter
July 8, 2009, 09:44 AM
Monkeyleg, Huntsville is a great spot. I've lived in the area for 13+ years now, and couldn't be happier. Enough fine arts and culture at the VBC to keep you entertained, and Nashville is only 2 hours away if you need to step it up a notch. Has the amenities of a big city (Wal Mart, Gander Mountain, 3 malls, etc.) while still retaining a bit of the small town feel.
My CC permit took less than a month to process; in Madison County (including HSV) the pistol permit costs $10, $20 if you want the plastic card with your picture on it. I think you have to include passport pictures with the application, IIRC, but no fingerprints. Renew the permit annually, no hassles. Most of my friends are shooters, and several cops and a pile of "CCW-ers" and IDPA competitors are members of my church, and this is even in the "yuppie" city limits of Madison.
Larry's is a great spot to gather with like-minded "gun folk." They have the most extensive selection of firearms in North Alabama. Larry's is on the west side of Memorial Parkway just north of University/72, FWIW. If you're into IDPA swing by at ~5:45pm on the first or third Tuesday of the month and head towards the indoor range in the back of the store. I (and my dad and two brothers) rarely miss a match when I'm in town, but I've been in Iraq (stinkin' contractor, not currently in uniform) since September so the only trigger I've been able to touch since then is on a mail-order airsoft gun in the office.
Wow, this got long! Sorry for the hijack, jrou111. Go ahead and make the move to Huntsville, Monkeyleg, it's a great area.

HarleyFixer
July 8, 2009, 02:06 PM
This really helps me decide which southern state my wife and I will be moving to next year. We were leaning heavily toward AL, but this is the top

Only place I ever lived where after a HD shooting I received a box of ammo from the DA and an admonition to "practice" :)

Jim Watson
July 8, 2009, 03:17 PM
I live in Florence, Ala., retired from TVA, and get to Huntsville and Birmingham pretty regularly, mostly for shooting events.

Alabama is a May Issue CCW state. The Sheriff has discretion on whether to issue a pistol permit and there are no statewide standards. Few will deny you, but writer Jan Stevenson said he knew of one that would, a good many years ago. An Alabama permit is good in adjoining states, Tenn., Miss., Ga., and Fla., but not a whole lot of other places because of that lack of statewide standards and "training."

Shooting sports in North Alabama depend on your interest and your willingness to travel a bit. I go to IDPA club shoots in Sheffield, Huntsville, Hartselle, Arab, and Birmingham; six to 130 miles. I will go a bit farther to sanctioned matches, add Memphis and Manchester, Tenn. I branch out a little with BPCR in Birmingham and Long Range in Tullahoma, Tenn.

There is also IPSC to be had, CAS, some NRA, and some Trap and Skeet.

A rifle shooting friend grumbles at the lack of full scale NRA ranges and events, and goes to Tullahoma whenever they shoot, as well as longer excursions for big matches.

bamacisa
July 8, 2009, 04:38 PM
Birmingham is no different from most large cities. There are good areas and bad areas. Most of the bad are iner-city low income areas. Birmingham has lots of good areas...Mountain Brook, Vestavia, Homewood and many others. Just for the record, Fairfield has some nice areas.( I live in Fairfield)(Bellwood section) Most of the crime in crime in Birmingham is black on black, Just like any other city, you just have to avoid certain sections. Are there any bad sections in Birmingham? Of course there are. Name me another big city that doesn't have some bad areas. Don't just pick on Birmingham.

rduckwor
July 8, 2009, 05:42 PM
Yeah , Montgomery is not that bad either. Just dope dealers thinning the competition mostly. Don't deal dope and you will have no problems.

North AL is nice because you are close to Southern TN which is beautiful. Lynchburg, Frankewing, etc. Decatur has good BBQ at Big Bob Gibson's.


Come on down and pack with us in AL for a while.

RMD

Tommygunn
July 8, 2009, 07:50 PM
Decatur has good BBQ at Big Bob Gibson's.

!!!!;)

bamacisa
July 9, 2009, 09:22 AM
The jewelry store that was robbed and the owner killed was located right next to a low income public housing project. Go figure.

m_kirk2001
July 9, 2009, 10:08 AM
Well at least the police chief understands his budget and some aspect of local politics...

Scenario 1: If a shop owner takes out the bad guy he goes home for dinner that night and all the police department has to do is document an attempted robbery of a prepared shop owner. The police chief can issue a press release of another violent criminal off the streets and let the courts figure out if the family of the thug can go after him for money.

Scenario 2: The shop owner calls 911, is then shot and killed, and the police arrive after the robber is gone and there are no witnesses other than the 911 recording and the guy gets away never to be apprehended. Now the police chief has what most would consider a "significant political issue" if he is in a small town. (Big town you may ask? He probably would be advising shop owners that it is OK to have guns, he has lobbyist to help him get re-elected.)

Scenario 3: (Police Chief who doesn't want his shop owners to have guns) The shop owner calls 911, is shot but not killed, the robber runs out of the store, the cops are on scene miraculously fast and the robber shoots and wounds a cop and is apprehended. Now the police chief has requests from the shop owner's lawyer to see if policy and procedure were followed to the letter (if they weren't, lawsuit). The family of the robber wants to sue for excessive force because the guy who had just shot a cop had some bruising which was sustained during the arrest. The cop goes out on leave, medical bills of hundreds of thousands of dollars come pouring into the agency, the potential for medical retirement looms, and now there are pending lawsuits and internal investigations. Lastly, the shop owner starts telling all the local folks that if the police chief really cared about their safety he would promote the idea of shop owner's having firearms to protect themselves and their property.

Obviously the situations are more complex than these abbreviated scenarios but you have to admit there has to be some truth to them...

Restorer
July 10, 2009, 06:43 PM
FYI...I'm in Marshall County, one step over from Morgan County. I went to the Sheriff's office today to get my permit renewed. Got 3 permits renewed (me and 2 of my kids), shelled out $30 and was out the door in less than 10 minutes. Oh, yeah.

2RCO
July 10, 2009, 08:25 PM
Chief Mardis will be getting a Wristband in the mail in a couple days, hope he likes it.

inSight-NEO
July 10, 2009, 09:02 PM
Alabama or not...I agree with this philosophy. Nuff said.

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