At what point is ffl required...multiple ftf sales.etc


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wickedsprint
July 5, 2009, 11:24 AM
So if I'm wanting to legally make some FTF sales in my state, is there any magic number of transactions that makes an FFL required? I'm probably going to be looking at offloading 5-6 guns.

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c5_nc
July 5, 2009, 11:28 AM
FFL would not required for that, you need to be in a regular business flipping guns for a profit.

SCKimberFan
July 5, 2009, 12:05 PM
It depends.

If you are selling to someone who resides in a different state than you, an FFL is required.

If you and the buyer are from the same state, then probably not. However, there are some states that require an FFL for any transfer if I am not mistaken.

Art Eatman
July 5, 2009, 12:26 PM
If this is basically a one-time sale from a private collection, it's not in the category of "business" insofar as being any sort of dealer.

Purchasers must be in accord with any state laws concerning the buying of firearms. E.g., the FOID in Illinois.

calaverasslim
July 5, 2009, 01:39 PM
SCKimberfan. That ain't really true. Only partially true that a FFL is required for an out of state transfer. This Soldier is going home and while he is there, he will try to sell a few guns. If his state requires an FFL to ship then he is stuck. However, if his state does not, then he can ship out of state but only to a FFL holder. Just a little clarification for this young hero.

A face to face meet is like you said.

Wikedsprint::: Salute

3pairs12
July 5, 2009, 01:48 PM
I think sckimber meant somebody from Arkansas can't come to Texas to buy my pistol ftf without an ffl.

wickedsprint
July 5, 2009, 04:41 PM
calaverasslim,

Thanks for the kind words, but I definitely have yet to do anything heroic. The real heroes are the ones who keep going on mission day in and day out while their units keep getting tagged by IEDs and dealing with every other threat they come across with enthusiasm and aplomb. I have it embarassingly cush over here, as evidence by my time to make inquiries of this nature :)

My state allows FTF sales w/o an FFL, just wanted to make sure that a certain number did not cross into an illegal arena, and I'm not looking to make a profit.

I'm going to be freeing up some room in the safe for some new toys :) I have a new rule with my guns, anything that does not have a real purpose gets offloaded.

I appreciate the replies gentlemen.

natman
July 5, 2009, 04:57 PM
IIRC, there is a specific limit for handguns, 6 per year if memory serves. Long guns are a bit more nebulous, "regular and frequent" sales or words to that effect.

So if you are thinning out the herd and don't plan on doing it again for a while, no FFL is needed. If you are buying and selling regularly, then you would be well advised to get one.

NavyLCDR
July 5, 2009, 05:41 PM
IIRC, there is a specific limit for handguns, 6 per year if memory serves. Long guns are a bit more nebulous, "regular and frequent" sales or words to that effect.

You won't find that in writing anywhere, it is just a verbal myth.

SCKimberFan
July 5, 2009, 06:59 PM
If you are selling to someone who resides in a different state than you, an FFL is required.

If you and the buyer are from the same state, then probably not. However, there are some states that require an FFL for any transfer if I am not mistaken.

SCKimberfan. That ain't really true. Only partially true that a FFL is required for an out of state transfer. This Soldier is going home and while he is there, he will try to sell a few guns. If his state requires an FFL to ship then he is stuck. However, if his state does not, then he can ship out of state but only to a FFL holder. Just a little clarification for this young hero.

What did I say that is different from what you say?

He needs an FFL at the receiving point, therefore an FFL is required.

Art Eatman
July 6, 2009, 02:44 PM
The OP stated FTF in-state; no out-of-state sales.

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